I can no longer wait !!! I preordered wave 4 ships almost 6 weeks ago !!!

We want wave 4 out now !!!

Please FFG !! Release wave 4 !!

They should make a rebel ship like this:

Well they already have a rebel Admiral that looks like that...

What other regionals this weekend? There is one in Arizona in two weeks. I don't think there are any more this weekend. Perhaps I missed one tho. The whole point on the new regionals structure is that there are not a lot of them.

I do think they should just ban them for the remaining 3 regional events to make them all consistent.

To my knowledge, there are 57 Regionals Worldwide, and there are 29 left to be played. It looks like Wave 4 will coincide with this next weekend (4 events), or the following weekend (6 events). Week 8 will be very interesting if Wave 4 is legal.

Week 7: 4

Week 8: 6

Week 9: 3

Week 10: 3

Week 11: 3

Week 12: 6

Week 13: 4

FYI, for those of you planning to attend June 21: St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada. Phoenix Rising... The store just confirmed that wave 4 will NOT be legal for the tourney. I don't know how this goes if W4 officially launches the day before and is officially considered legal... But I have a feeling that if the TO says no, then it's a no.

The TO for the Phoenix event already said that they would be legal for June 28th, but he could change that if it got delayed I suppose.

In everyone's opinion, what would the cutoff release time be before making the wave legal? One week? Two? I say two weeks prior to the tournament. Allows players adequate time to purchase and play test some before the big game.

In everyone's opinion, what would the cutoff release time be before making the wave legal? One week? Two? I say two weeks prior to the tournament. Allows players adequate time to purchase and play test some before the big game.

Well the ships have been spoiled for a few weeks now, so there shouldn't be issues with play testing a new build. My only concern is whether or not FFG will impose a ban when the ships are released to the public. If I'm using a Wave 4 build for Regionals, and FFG decides to ban them, then I've just wasted all that practice time for nothing.

3 weeks? It's listed as 3 more month for a UK release

I will be buying plenty of these hehe.

In everyone's opinion, what would the cutoff release time be before making the wave legal? One week? Two? I say two weeks prior to the tournament. Allows players adequate time to purchase and play test some before the big game.

Well the ships have been spoiled for a few weeks now, so there shouldn't be issues with play testing a new build. My only concern is whether or not FFG will impose a ban when the ships are released to the public. If I'm using a Wave 4 build for Regionals, and FFG decides to ban them, then I've just wasted all that practice time for nothing.

But that's really a risky proposition, the responsibility of which would rest with you --at your own risk ---and not FFG. You're assuming a more solid release date, that they won't be delayed past that relase date, and that they won't be on the ban list if released on time. That's a lot to assume.

The other side of this debate is that if they're released "surprisingly" early, people who have focused practicing against lists that don't include them might have a legit gripe.

I don't care either way, as I expected them to be legal upon release and would have lived with it, but I think it's better for them to err on the side of holding them back a couple weeks as that would benefit most people to prevent an "ambush" by a Wave IV list.

That's exactly what I'm getting at. What is the generally accepted buffer from official release to allowing in tournament to allow for: shipping delays, practice, etc. so that it's fair for the layman to possess and be familiar with the new hotness? I agree, play testing new ships before they're released should not count because that is outside the official game release. Guys proxying echo all over the place doesn't make it fair for everyone to be familiar with predator, outmaneuver, named pilots etc.

Just saying, when some guy shows up at regionals with Eathn and 5 z95s... I'm going. To be worried as I've never played against that before.

That's exactly what I'm getting at. What is the generally accepted buffer from official release to allowing in tournament to allow for: shipping delays, practice, etc. so that it's fair for the layman to possess and be familiar with the new hotness? I agree, play testing new ships before they're released should not count because that is outside the official game release. Guys proxying echo all over the place doesn't make it fair for everyone to be familiar with predator, outmaneuver, named pilots etc.

Just saying, when some guy shows up at regionals with Eathn and 5 z95s... I'm going. To be worried as I've never played against that before.

For other miniature game tournaments that I have played, most tend to go with a one month rule. It allows enough time to cater for shipping delays, rules queries, FaQ's, etc.

I can tell you that at the June 21: Kissimmee, FL, United States. Coliseum of Comics event (I have been frequenting the store for almost 15 years and help them run several events), that Wave 4 will be legal if the ships are, or were at any time, available on the shelves come tournament day. This is kind of a middle ground between our store and FF.

That's exactly what I'm getting at. What is the generally accepted buffer from official release to allowing in tournament to allow for: shipping delays, practice, etc. so that it's fair for the layman to possess and be familiar with the new hotness? I agree, play testing new ships before they're released should not count because that is outside the official game release. Guys proxying echo all over the place doesn't make it fair for everyone to be familiar with predator, outmaneuver, named pilots etc.

Just saying, when some guy shows up at regionals with Eathn and 5 z95s... I'm going. To be worried as I've never played against that before.

Fortunately the EPTs aren't terribly complicated, new ships however would be harder to play against but of course you can't allow the cards but not the ships they came with

Yeah, and it's why I go back and forth on this. Overall, releases like Aces, the transport x-wings and upgrades, and four upgrade cards from the tantive seem less complex than an entire wave. So I can see that while the first two were legal immediately, Wave 4 introduces a combination of new things all at once.

That said, this game doesn't have as many complex interactions as games like Warhammer, and they tend to release a full army at once which can include dozens of new rules. A Wave is like that but not to the extent.

Guys proxying echo all over the place doesn't make it fair for everyone to be familiar with predator, outmaneuver, named pilots etc.

Why not? We know the full text of every card in wave 4, and we will have known it for a month or more by the time they're in stores. If you want to playtest and prepare for them then playtest, you have access to everything you need. If you choose to do something else with your time then don't complain about how you haven't prepared for the new stuff yet.

Guys proxying echo all over the place doesn't make it fair for everyone to be familiar with predator, outmaneuver, named pilots etc.

Why not? We know the full text of every card in wave 4, and we will have known it for a month or more by the time they're in stores. If you want to playtest and prepare for them then playtest, you have access to everything you need. If you choose to do something else with your time then don't complain about how you haven't prepared for the new stuff yet.

You do realize that this internet community we have here represents an extreme minority of the player base, don't you? I'm sure there are plenty of people who play that feel no need to scour the internet for every pertinent detail regarding unreleased product.

You do realize that this internet community we have here represents an extreme minority of the player base, don't you? I'm sure there are plenty of people who play that feel no need to scour the internet for every pertinent detail regarding unreleased product.

Sorry, but based on my experience you're just wrong about this. Everyone I've played in store or tournament games with has also kept up with all the information that is posted online, and new releases are a common subject of conversation during games. You might have a point if we were talking about people who just play an occasional game at home with their kids, but those kind of players aren't showing up at major tournaments. In the context of regionals it's a safe assumption that virtually every potential player knows all about the new releases, and the lazy few who don't are a tiny and irrelevant minority that doesn't deserve much sympathy.

You do realize that this internet community we have here represents an extreme minority of the player base, don't you? I'm sure there are plenty of people who play that feel no need to scour the internet for every pertinent detail regarding unreleased product.

Sorry, but based on my experience you're just wrong about this. Everyone I've played in store or tournament games with has also kept up with all the information that is posted online, and new releases are a common subject of conversation during games. You might have a point if we were talking about people who just play an occasional game at home with their kids, but those kind of players aren't showing up at major tournaments. In the context of regionals it's a safe assumption that virtually every potential player knows all about the new releases, and the lazy few who don't are a tiny and irrelevant minority that doesn't deserve much sympathy.

Wow. I'm really glad people like you aren't in charge over at FFG. There are plenty of reasons why someone new to the game wouldn't have memorized and playtested Wave 4 but would still want to play at a Regional tournament, many of them revolving around the fact that they're new to the game. But hey, screw those guys right? If they really like X-wing they would have started playing last year.

Guys proxying echo all over the place doesn't make it fair for everyone to be familiar with predator, outmaneuver, named pilots etc.

Why not? We know the full text of every card in wave 4, and we will have known it for a month or more by the time they're in stores. If you want to playtest and prepare for them then playtest, you have access to everything you need. If you choose to do something else with your time then don't complain about how you haven't prepared for the new stuff yet.

You do realize that this internet community we have here represents an extreme minority of the player base, don't you? I'm sure there are plenty of people who play that feel no need to scour the internet for every pertinent detail regarding unreleased product.

I think it would be different if there were set and reliable release dates (not saying there needs to be but the rules on this should fit the fact that they're not). Otherwise FFG is asking people to play a second meta game, one which can only be guessed at.

Right but "everyone" you've played is still a very small percentage of x-wing players, so no. The users on here and the ones you've played is still a small representation of players all across the world that love and play this game. And I think it's weird you refer to those who don't have every single card memorized before they are even released as "lazy". Or, y'know, maybe they have grueling jobs or families and don't have time to search for spoilers, list build and proxy things months before they are released. Yeah f*** them they need to get their crap together and quit being lazy. Give me a break. Also in my area there are quiet a number of what you would deam "irrelevant" players who still show up to tournaments.

At least its not as bad as CCGs. Years back regionals ST CCG had an expansion come out 5 days before the regional tournament with an uncommon that literally killed my deck that had won the previous 20 tournaments I had gone to (2 tournaments a weekend for 3 months). Which meant I had to take a deck I had no experience with instead.

At least 100 pts squad is still worth 100 pts after wave 4 comes out.

As a new player myself if I went to a regional I would expect all sorts of things I haven't seen before with or without wave 4 as I am still getting games under my belt.

Relax guys... end of june is just what... 3 week away?!...in the mean time enjoy the World Cup

It's like watching grass grow

At least its not as bad as CCGs. Years back regionals ST CCG had an expansion come out 5 days before the regional tournament with an uncommon that literally killed my deck that had won the previous 20 tournaments I had gone to (2 tournaments a weekend for 3 months). Which meant I had to take a deck I had no experience with instead.

At least 100 pts squad is still worth 100 pts after wave 4 comes out.

As a new player myself if I went to a regional I would expect all sorts of things I haven't seen before with or without wave 4 as I am still getting games under my belt.

I am very excited about the wave 4 (some believe more then others) but wave 1 still has a strong showing and that will not end with the new ships. Wave 4 is a high point but not the end of the world.

You do realize that this internet community we have here represents an extreme minority of the player base, don't you? I'm sure there are plenty of people who play that feel no need to scour the internet for every pertinent detail regarding unreleased product.

HEATHENS!

You do realize that this internet community we have here represents an extreme minority of the player base, don't you? I'm sure there are plenty of people who play that feel no need to scour the internet for every pertinent detail regarding unreleased product.

Sorry, but based on my experience you're just wrong about this. Everyone I've played in store or tournament games with has also kept up with all the information that is posted online, and new releases are a common subject of conversation during games. You might have a point if we were talking about people who just play an occasional game at home with their kids, but those kind of players aren't showing up at major tournaments. In the context of regionals it's a safe assumption that virtually every potential player knows all about the new releases, and the lazy few who don't are a tiny and irrelevant minority that doesn't deserve much sympathy.

Wow. I'm really glad people like you aren't in charge over at FFG. There are plenty of reasons why someone new to the game wouldn't have memorized and playtested Wave 4 but would still want to play at a Regional tournament, many of them revolving around the fact that they're new to the game. But hey, screw those guys right? If they really like X-wing they would have started playing last year.

It's understandable to argue that new content should have some window before being allowed in tournament play, but I think the main argument on behalf is that not everyone has physical access to the products until the proper release. Even then, of course, there may be distribution difficulties, inequities, or shortages, of course.

But I don't think that the fact that new players have a steep learning curve is an argument, really. One of the great things is that you can get a great tournament-worthy squad without a heavy buy in. Another thing, is that due to the relative simplicity of the rules and mechanics, you can see brand new players do well competitively right out of the gate. I've seen it more than once.

The more releases there are, the more there is for everyone, new or experienced to process, as the number of combinations in squad building increases exponentially. But I honestly don't think that a policy of allowing releases to be tourney legal as quickly as possible "screws" newer players.