Jan can't boost her attack by one in an HWK, so why would she be able to grant herself an evade?

Lol, ya I read that page.

Can your add yourself in Facebook? Xbox friends?

Is say he just wants to get you going lol. Most be a slow day

Maybe he 's his only friend

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Jan can't boost her attack by one in an HWK, so why would she be able to grant herself an evade?

Note how it says Another. As in, excluding her.

Whereas her crew card is quite pointedly missing the word.

I'd say he just wants to get you going lol.

Which, in other words, is trolling.

But for pure argument sake.

To measure range you put the range ruler so it is touching the base of the ship of origin

TechnicalY then that ship would be at range 0. It is the center, or focal point.

Therefore the ship cannot be at range 1 of itself.

Technicaly its range 0

I also would really like to see Advanced Tie aces love.

This. Sooo many times over. This.

Because on the Hawk her card reads "When Another Friendly Ship"

Note how it says Another. As in, excluding her.

Whereas her crew card is quite pointedly missing the word.

Note how there's actually room for that word on her ship. Note how no other card has shrunk its font to accommodate text. Note how ever other use of the word "friendly" has been used to exclude itself. Seriously, why are you arguing?

I'd say he just wants to get you going lol.

Which, in other words, is trolling.

But for pure argument sake.

To measure range you put the range ruler so it is touching the base of the ship of origin

TechnicalY then that ship would be at range 0. It is the center, or focal point.

Therefore the ship cannot be at range 1 of itself.

Technicaly its range 0

I am arguing because visual precedent has no bearing on game rules. only textual. They've never had a card so full they cut words before. Why would they start cutting words and creating ambiguity when a simple formatting change fixes everything.

I'd say he just wants to get you going lol.

Which, in other words, is trolling.

Or more appropriatley, Disagreeing With You. I think you're wrong. I think you're arguments about cutting words to save space are rediculous. And you're ignoring every piece of precedent the game has, as if the designers would include redundant words on half a dozen or more ships cards for no reason.

No, deliberately trying to irritate someone is most definitely trolling. Sorry, but the point at which you declared that you can be friends with yourself was the point at which it became obvious that you were no longer simply disagreeing with me.

As for ignoring precedent, you've got that one completely ass backwards. Please see post #107, and every other post it makes reference to.

So what's the argument that I made of the ship being range 0?

That to me makes the most sense.

How can it be at range 1 when you measure from touching the base from the ship of origin.

It's like the debate on attacking another ship.

If you can lay the ruler so it is flat,but touches both ships, then the defender is technically at range 4 because the ruler had to overlap.

Same idea.

The point if origin is what you measure off of. By touching the base. All around it in 360 degrees.

Therefore it would be range 0. Not 1 of itself.

Now maybe on a huge ship where it has two bases then maybe it could target the other half,but that's a whole other can if worms

Except that everyone who disagrees with you is saying that if it were redundant It Would Not Be There. It's been used in such a way as to make it very clearly that Luke Skywalker is Friendly to and within range on of Luke Skywalker at all times.

Yes, everyone who disagrees with me. All two of them.

Make it three, then: the word "friendly" appears here with no modifier. "Friendly", in this context, simply means "a ship on your list" (see Core Rulebook page 4). Additionally, "at Range 1-3" means "the closest part of the target's base touches Range 1-3" (see FAQ, page 4).

It's possible that FFG will clarify in the future that "friendly" means other ships in the same list. But as the term is currently defined in the game, the ship Jan is on fulfills both conditions: it is in the same squad as itself, and its base touches a portion of the first range increment. Accordingly, Jan (crew) can target her own ship.

I'd say he just wants to get you going lol.

Which, in other words, is trolling.

Or more appropriatley, Disagreeing With You. I think you're wrong. I think you're arguments about cutting words to save space are rediculous. And you're ignoring every piece of precedent the game has, as if the designers would include redundant words on half a dozen or more ships cards for no reason.

No, deliberately trying to irritate someone is most definitely trolling. Sorry, but the point at which you declared that you can be friends with yourself was the point at which it became obvious that you were no longer simply disagreeing with me.

As for ignoring precedent, you've got that one completely ass backwards.

Explain to me where the game says you can't be at range 1 with yourself.

Because as far as I can tell, all we have is the precedent on Assault Missiles.

The way things are measured doesn't function well at that level, but closest point to closest point on the same object does have the ship within range 1. Because every point around the edge is the closest point.

The lack of the word Another when every other ship that mentions friendly ships has used another is important, and it is not evidence that thetwo mean the same thing. It is evidence both are important words with disparate meanings.

The same goes for Assault missiles using other so the target doesn't take splash damage. They wouldn't have the word Other there if it didn't matter.

Now, there is another card that uses friendly and not another.

Princess Leia, when discarded allows all friendly ships that reveal a red maneuver to treat it as a white maneuver.

If I have that on the Falcon and reveal a K-Turn when I discarded it, I get to treat it as a White manuever. Correct? because by your understanding I don't. But I don't think she works that way.

Carlist Rieekan and Targeting coordinator also do not use another. t matter but I thinl Targeting Coordinator can allow the Tantive to give target locks to itself.

So what's the argument that I made of the ship being range 0?

That to me makes the most sense.

How can it be at range 1 when you measure from touching the base from the ship of origin.

It's like the debate on attacking another ship.

If you can lay the ruler so it is flat,but touches both ships, then the defender is technically at range 4 because the ruler had to overlap.

Same idea.

The point if origin is what you measure off of. By touching the base. All around it in 360 degrees.

Therefore it would be range 0. Not 1 of itself.

Now maybe on a huge ship where it has two bases then maybe it could target the other half,but that's a whole other can if worms

Because as far as I can tell, all we have is the precedent on Assault Missiles.

How about every other card that uses the word "other" in place of "another," just like I said before?

Because as far as I can tell, all we have is the precedent on Assault Missiles.

How about every other card that uses the word "other" in place of "another," just like I said before?

If you care to you can post the wording on cards you think creates the precedent your arguing.

Thos all still imply that the ship is at range one of itself. Otherwise neither word would be needed. Other just allows for Plural ships while another is singular.

If you care to you can post the wording on cards you think creates the precedent your arguing.

No, they imply no such thing, as if implications matter anyways. The word is redundant. We know this because of precedence. Every card, until now, has operated this way. Colonel Jendon is the only other ship that has not used the word "another" (or "other") with reference to friendly ships, because it is painfully obvious how redundant the word is.

Except that everyone who disagrees with you is saying that if it were redundant It Would Not Be There. It's been used in such a way as to make it very clearly that Luke Skywalker is Friendly to and within range on of Luke Skywalker at all times.

Yes, everyone who disagrees with me. All two of them.

Make it three, then: the word "friendly" appears here with no modifier. "Friendly", in this context, simply means "a ship on your list" (see Core Rulebook page 4). Additionally, "at Range 1-3" means "the closest part of the target's base touches Range 1-3" (see FAQ, page 4).

It's possible that FFG will clarify in the future that "friendly" means other ships in the same list. But as the term is currently defined in the game, the ship Jan is on fulfills both conditions: it is in the same squad as itself, and its base touches a portion of the first range increment. Accordingly, Jan (crew) can target her own ship.

This is the single most salient point that contradictions my position, if not the only salient point. I've looked over the rules, and I can't find anything to counter it... for now. Just bear in mind that the rules on page 4, in the very same section, state that one player controls Rebels while the other controls Imperials.

I'll let you to have at it lol.

Though if tout really want to see

settle it, I can give ya two options

1) fight it out on vassal. Winner wins. But only user current available ships

Or

2) contact ffg and ask them directly

Things to note. Squad leader, which has to affect a ship of lower pilot skill does not say another. It also does not say friendly. Not sure why I'd give my enemy a free action, but apparently you can?

Draw their fire could in theory draw crits from you to you, but that has no affect. It also doesn't use Another. Because taking your own crits has no affect.

Jendon does not use another or other but he can only give locks to ships that don't have blue target locks, and even giving away his target lock to himself wouldn't matter.

So in the end, up until the advent of Princess Leia there was no need to know if a ship was friendly to itself. From there, we have the precedent on Assault missile.

We'll know the answer to this when we find out if Leia can turn the all of your teams manuevers white or only ships she's not on.

Thos all still imply that the ship is at range one of itself. Otherwise neither word would be needed. Other just allows for Plural ships while another is singular.

If you care to you can post the wording on cards you think creates the precedent your arguing.

No, they imply no such thing, as if implications matter anyways. The word is redundant. We know this because of precedence. Every card, until now, has operated this way. Colonel Jendon is the only other ship that has not used the word "another" (or "other") with reference to friendly ships, because it is painfully obvious how redundant the word is.

Except that everyone who disagrees with you is saying that if it were redundant It Would Not Be There. It's been used in such a way as to make it very clearly that Luke Skywalker is Friendly to and within range on of Luke Skywalker at all times.

Yes, everyone who disagrees with me. All two of them.

Make it three, then: the word "friendly" appears here with no modifier. "Friendly", in this context, simply means "a ship on your list" (see Core Rulebook page 4). Additionally, "at Range 1-3" means "the closest part of the target's base touches Range 1-3" (see FAQ, page 4).

It's possible that FFG will clarify in the future that "friendly" means other ships in the same list. But as the term is currently defined in the game, the ship Jan is on fulfills both conditions: it is in the same squad as itself, and its base touches a portion of the first range increment. Accordingly, Jan (crew) can target her own ship.

This is the single most salient point that contradictions my position, if not the only salient point. I've looked over the rules, and I can't find anything to counter it... for now. Just bear in mind that the rules on page 4, in the very same section, state that one player controls Rebels while the other controls Imperials.

How is that not what I've been saying?

I mean really? It's the argument I've been making, while quoting card text to cite my points.

How is that not what I've been saying?

I mean really? It's the argument I've been making, while quoting card text to cite my points.

Uh, what? Not even remotely.

I have another question for everyone. Since a ship can clearly be at range 1 of itself, does that mean that when it moves it's also overlapping itself? I feel like you shouldn't be able to take actions if you move, because you're always going to overlap.

How is that not what I've been saying?

I mean really? It's the argument I've been making, while quoting card text to cite my points.

Uh, what? Not even remotely.

The question isn't whether Jan's ship is friendly to itself, but if it is within Range 1 of itself.

Didn't we come to the conclusion on a similar question with I think Swarm Tactics a while back? anyone remember the results? because glancing a both sides of the argument it's the same dilemma.

Wholeheartedly "No", as is the answer here.

I have another question for everyone. Since a ship can clearly be at range 1 of itself, does that mean that when it moves it's also overlapping itself? I feel like you shouldn't be able to take actions if you move, because you're always going to overlap.

Is it's plastic base on top of itself? Potentially, but I think we all know you're being silly.