But I think the lack of the word Another is really telling. They wouldn't cut a word that important without reason.

Oh come on, the reason is pretty **** obvious.

Friendly in the use X-Wing has generally used, means on the same Team as.

Friendly has always been used to mean another ship in X-Wing. Look at all of your cards and see for yourself. And while you're at it, let me know how many cards you see that use smaller font sizes to cram in a block of text.

The question isn't whether Jan's ship is friendly to itself, but if it is within Range 1 of itself.

According to the FAQ, which very clearly distinguishes between "at" and "within," a ship cannot be at range 1 of itself. You measure from the edge of the base, which means the opposite edge of the base would always be outside of range 1.

It's ambiguous. I won't say it isn't. But I have my prediction.

Friendly in the use X-Wing has generally used, means on the same Team as.

Friendly has always been used to mean another ship in X-Wing.

I beg to differ. So far, "another friendly ship at range ..." has always been used to exclude yourself. The absence of "another" is very suspicious.

And again, the wording on assault missiles, combined with the facte Every Other ship with an ability that affects friendlies says Another, total up to just as much evidence as you have.

Assault Missiles says no such thing. Pay attention to the actual wording of the card, and stop making up nonsense. You can't even fire Assault Missiles at range 1, and, unless you can target your own (see: "friendly") ships, the distance is measured from the enemy ship being attacked.

I beg to differ. So far, "another friendly ship at range ..." has always been used to exclude yourself. The absence of "another" is very suspicious.

Only for people who have no experience with this sort of thing. Text is omitted from Magic cards all the time, simply because it just won't fit. It doesn't signify a change in the way the card operates.

And again, the wording on assault missiles, combined with the facte Every Other ship with an ability that affects friendlies says Another, total up to just as much evidence as you have.

Assault Missiles says no such thing. Pay attention to the actual wording of the card, and stop making up nonsense. You can't even fire Assault Missiles at range 1, and, unless you can target your own (see: "friendly") ships, the distance is measured from the enemy ship being attacked.

It says, If this hits All Other ships at range one of the defender suffers one damage.

Look at the splash damage again.

It says, If this hits All Other ships at range one of the defender suffers one damage.

And?

Assault missiles use the word "other" to exclude the original target. Same meaning as the word "another" in "another friendly ship".

And again, the wording on assault missiles, combined with the facte Every Other ship with an ability that affects friendlies says Another, total up to just as much evidence as you have.

Assault Missiles says no such thing. Pay attention to the actual wording of the card, and stop making up nonsense. You can't even fire Assault Missiles at range 1, and, unless you can target your own (see: "friendly") ships, the distance is measured from the enemy ship being attacked.

I beg to differ. So far, "another friendly ship at range ..." has always been used to exclude yourself. The absence of "another" is very suspicious.

Only for people who have no experience with this sort of thing. Text is omitted from Magic cards all the time, simply because it just won't fit. It doesn't signify a change in the way the card operates.

Text is omitted from Magic cards all the time, simply because it just won't fit. It doesn't signify a change in the way the card operates.

That game is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The statement is close to trolling.

Look at the splash damage again.

It says, If this hits All Other ships at range one of the defender suffers one damage.

And?

Not rules text. Only text that explains what keywords do. I've seen magic cards with text so tiny you can barely read it.(See Lim Duls Vault)

Looks perfectly readable to me.

That game is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The statement is close to trolling.

That's where I'm at with Aminar. His reasoning is so specious I'm inclined to believe he's either arguing just for the sake of arguing, or that he's trolling.

Not rules text. Only text that explains what keywords do. I've seen magic cards with text so tiny you can barely read it.(See Lim Duls Vault)

Looks perfectly readable to me.

Look at that font size. Either way, it isn't relevent to FFG. But again, the point is, it really does look like it affects the ship Jan is on. There is bits of precedent on both sides. It needs a FAQ entry.

You can't even fire Assault Missiles at range 1

Look at the splash damage again.

It says, If this hits All Other ships at range one of the defender suffers one damage.

And?

And that implies the target is at range one of itself. Otherwise it would just say Deal 1 damage to all ships within range 1 of the target. The other would be unnecesary.

Of course. That's exactly why "other" on the assault missile card is required. It has a meaning, just like "another" in a good number of abilities.

And that implies the target is at range one of itself. Otherwise it would just say Deal 1 damage to all ships within range 1 of the target. The other would be unnecesary.

You mean just how like the Tantive doesn't take damage on its opposite section if it gets hit by Assault Missiles? I mean, it's clearly at range 1 of itself...

You can't even fire Assault Missiles at range 1

An obvious corner case which didn't even bear mentioning except to prove a purely technical point. Thank you for the exercise in pedantry.

And that implies the target is at range one of itself. Otherwise it would just say Deal 1 damage to all ships within range 1 of the target. The other would be unnecesary.

You mean just how like the Tantive doesn't take damage on its opposite section if it gets hit by Assault Missiles? I mean, it's clearly at range 1 of itself...

You can't even fire Assault Missiles at range 1

An obvious corner case which didn't even bear mentioning except to prove a purely technical point. Thank you for the exercise in pedantry.

And that implies the target is at range one of itself. Otherwise it would just say Deal 1 damage to all ships within range 1 of the target. The other would be unnecesary.

You mean just how like the Tantive doesn't take damage on its opposite section if it gets hit by Assault Missiles? I mean, it's clearly at range 1 of itself...

The other section is not a separate ship. "Other ship" excludes the defender. Any and all parts of the defender.

The word "other" is used in the exact same fashion as "another" in every instance that I have seen it used. If you want to pretend like Assault Missiles has some bearing on the conversation, then fine. It's essentially the same word, used for the exact same purpose, and is still every bit as redundant.

The other section is not a separate ship. "Other ship" excludes the defender. Any and all parts of the defender.

That's not the argument being made here. The argument being made is, is the ship within range 1 of itself? Clearly the Tantive is, right?

I'm surprised you two are debating this.

I'm pretty sure that we won't see a faq on this because it is obvious that the ability does not target itself.

The ship Jan is on is the focal point.From which you measure the range from. Any ship out side this measurement will not be able to user the ability.

Wouldn't she be considered range 0

Jan is at the center, but I never heard of something in this game being at range one of itself. Just doesn't make sense.

If they wanted it to Target itself, then the card would do so.

Can swarm tactics target itself?

I'm not sure why the comparison of using assault missles. It's impossible to hit the ship that fires then since it can't be at range one of the targeted ship. I guess if your flying Rhymer. In that case he would get hit as well.

The word "other" is used in the exact same fashion as "another" in every instance that I have seen it used. If you want to pretend like Assault Missiles has some bearing on the conversation, then fine. It's essentially the same word, used for the exact same purpose, and is still every bit as redundant.

Except that everyone who disagrees with you is saying that if it were redundant It Would Not Be There. It's been used in such a way as to make it very clearly that Luke Skywalker is Friendly to and within range on of Luke Skywalker at all times.

Except that everyone who disagrees with you is saying that if it were redundant It Would Not Be There. It's been used in such a way as to make it very clearly that Luke Skywalker is Friendly to and within range on of Luke Skywalker at all times.

Yes, everyone who disagrees with me. All two of them.

I'm surprised you two are debating this.

I'm pretty sure that we won't see a faq on this because it is obvious that the ability does not target itself.

The ship Jan is on is the focal point.From which you measure the range from. Any ship out side this measurement will not be able to user the ability.

Wouldn't she be considered range 0

Jan is at the center, but I never heard of something in this game being at range one of itself. Just doesn't make sense.

If they wanted it to Target itself, then the card would do so.

Can swarm tactics target itself?

I'm not sure why the comparison of using assault missles. It's impossible to hit the ship that fires then since it can't be at range one of the targeted ship. I guess if your flying Rhymer. In that case he would get hit as well.

I'm surprised you two are debating this.

I'm pretty sure that we won't see a faq on this because it is obvious that the ability does not target itself.

The ship Jan is on is the focal point.From which you measure the range from. Any ship out side this measurement will not be able to user the ability.

Wouldn't she be considered range 0

Jan is at the center, but I never heard of something in this game being at range one of itself. Just doesn't make sense.

If they wanted it to Target itself, then the card would do so.

Can swarm tactics target itself?

I'm not sure why the comparison of using assault missles. It's impossible to hit the ship that fires then since it can't be at range one of the targeted ship. I guess if your flying Rhymer. In that case he would get hit as well.

The reason this is being debated is because people have opted to toss common sense out the window for the sake of argument. If you go back a page, you can see where Aminar actually claimed that he can be a friend of himself. That's pretty much the point at which he lost all credibility.