I'm amazed it generated 16 posts, much less 16 pages.

All 16 pages weren't about that, a fair number of them were if Jan (Crew) could use her ability on the ship she's on or not. Then it went from there to how her ability would effect Jake Farrell's ability to which IP and continued to argue with everyone how Jan's ability changes a focus action into an evade action.

Jan's text box looks too cramped to have been able to fit "another" word in, so I'm guessing the ability operates the same way as all the others. She cannot use the ability on herself.

On the other hand Etahn, as far as we know, affects himself. It could be similar.

No, Etahn's ability affects enemies in his arc.

to which IP and continued to argue with everyone how Jan's ability changes a focus action into an evade action.

I don't think he was arguing that. I don't recall him mentioning an evade ACTION at all, just that the card would replace the focus action with receiving an evade token.

Could be wrong though. The whole argument was too hard to follow.

I don't recall him mentioning an evade ACTION at all, just that the card would replace the focus action with receiving an evade token.

It was hard to follow but here it is, I'm quoting one of his pages back on page 12.

That is not what the card says. Jan replaces the ACTION, not the token.

So effectively IP was trying to say that Jan converts the Focus Action into a Evade Action...

That is not what the card says. Jan replaces the ACTION, not the token.

So effectively IP was trying to say that Jan converts the Focus Action into a Evade Action...

Not quite: he was saying that the Focus action is removed from history, and an Evade token is assigned to the ship. No Evade action was taken.

(Why am I still talking about this)

I'm amazed it generated 16 posts, much less 16 pages.

All 16 pages weren't about that, a fair number of them were if Jan (Crew) could use her ability on the ship she's on or not. Then it went from there to how her ability would effect Jake Farrell's ability to which IP and continued to argue with everyone how Jan's ability changes a focus action into an evade action.

There also were a couple comments about proton rockets somewhere in there too I think

Not quite: he was saying that the Focus action is removed from history, and an Evade token is assigned to the ship. No Evade action was taken.

Yeah, that was how I took what he was saying as well.

Another thought regarding range:

You can measure from any point of the origin ship's base to any point on the target ship's base. If we look at the rules on using the range ruler, 'When the rules refer to a ship being "at Range 1-3", it means that the target's base must fall under any section of the range ruler.'

From this, I'd have to say that a ship is almost certainly at range 1 from itself.

And yes, a ship is always touching itself

Another thought regarding range:

You can measure from any point of the origin ship's base to any point on the target ship's base.

No, you can't. You have to measure from the closest point on one base to the closest point on the other base.

Another thought regarding range:

You can measure from any point of the origin ship's base to any point on the target ship's base.

No, you can't. You have to measure from the closest point on one base to the closest point on the other base.

Feel free to point to the rules that support your position...

Another thought regarding range:

You can measure from any point of the origin ship's base to any point on the target ship's base.

No, you can't. You have to measure from the closest point on one base to the closest point on the other base.

Feel free to point to the rules that support your position...

OK, Rulebook, page 10 under "Range"

To measure range, place the Range 1 end of the range ruler so that it touches the closest part
of the attacker’s base. Then point the ruler toward the closest part of the target ship’s base that is inside the attacker’s firing arc.

Emphasis THEIRS.

Which is why the example of acquiring a TL on page 9 of the rulebook shows the range bands projecting outward, in concentric circles, from the edge of the ship, not its center (or some other arbitrary point on the base).

Right now we have no way of knowing what FFG's stance on a ship being rage X of itself actually is.

If you put the ruler on top the base of the attacking ship, that means it falls under the range 1 band of the ruler. But that's a bit RAW even for me so I'm not sure how much weight I'd put into that line of thinking.

The TL example doesn't really offer any proof since you can't gain a TL on your own ship in the first place.

So I would conclude that no, Jan is not in range 1 of herself.

Right now we have no way of knowing what FFG's stance on a ship being rage X of itself actually is.

If you put the ruler on top the base of the attacking ship, that means it falls under the range 1 band of the ruler. But that's a bit RAW even for me so I'm not sure how much weight I'd put into that line of thinking.

The TL example doesn't really offer any proof since you can't gain a TL on your own ship in the first place.

No, but I think it very clearly demonstrates where the range bands are, especially in relation to the above poster who claimed that you could just measure from wherever. The picture would look markedly different if you measured from the center instead.

So, the ultimate question is, does touching = at? The FAQ seems to bear this out, unless we choose to adopt the stance that the area on which the base is actually resting represents some null territory, or a range 0 if you will. If that's the case, then the closest part of the ship (in relation to itself) would be at range 0, not range 1. Obviously no such thing exists within the rules to warrant such an explanation, but then the whole situation sort of exists outside the bounds of how we already perceive the rules.

So I would conclude that no, Jan is not in range 1 of herself.

That depends. Any 2 closest points on a single base will cause the range ruler to overlap the base somewhere in the range 1 section.

So I would conclude that no, Jan is not in range 1 of herself.

That depends. Any 2 closest points on a single base will cause the range ruler to overlap the base somewhere in the range 1 section.

There are no other instances where you measure across your base however, only instances of measuring from the closest edge/corner of your ships base, out to the edge/corner of the taget ships base.

The FAQ also clarifies that the width of the range ruler is irrelevant, you only use one edge of it. In other words, you use the range ruler to measure an imaginary line from the closest point to the closest point.

So I would conclude that no, Jan is not in range 1 of herself.

That depends. Any 2 closest points on a single base will cause the range ruler to overlap the base somewhere in the range 1 section.

There are no other instances where you measure across your base however, only instances of measuring from the closest edge/corner of your ships base, out to the edge/corner of the taget ships base.

The FAQ also clarifies that the width of the range ruler is irrelevant, you only use one edge of it. In other words, you use the range ruler to measure an imaginary line from the closest point to the closest point.

FFG needs to release an official X-Wing laser range finder.

But, of course, it will work better for Rebels, so the Imps are screwed again..... sigh.

So I would conclude that no, Jan is not in range 1 of herself.

That depends. Any 2 closest points on a single base will cause the range ruler to overlap the base somewhere in the range 1 section.

But you do not measure from within the base. Again, look at the diagrams on page 9 and 10 of the rulebook. The ship's base is wholly within its own territory, and the range bands clearly exist outside of the ship's base.

So I would conclude that no, Jan is not in range 1 of herself.

That depends. Any 2 closest points on a single base will cause the range ruler to overlap the base somewhere in the range 1 section.

But you do not measure from within the base. Again, look at the diagrams on page 9 and 10 of the rulebook. The ship's base is wholly within its own territory, and the range bands clearly exist outside of the ship's base.

Situational examples? So the range band arbitrarily changes depending on the circumstances under which you're measuring? That would mean that the entire concept of a range band is completely subjective, which is ludicrous in a game reliant upon concrete rules and definitions.

Until we gain a ship that can live on another ship's base, I will assume that the single ship is at Range 0 from itself.