New Star Wars Canon
The execution of that idea, however, was not so good IMO. So I'm happy that it's not canon anymore, and could possibly be retold. Either way, I think I prefer the idea of "Palpatine being really dead."
While I don't buy the whole Palpatine coming back thing - it seems cheap to me - if they had done it right, then I might have been willing to be a supporter. However, it's not. It's a terrible story, followed by a terrible sequel and an even worse sequel. Done right and I'd sign on - but it's nothing more than a collection of terrible tropes in a 14 issue arc.
My point is, we didn't actually see Boba Fett die. We saw Yoda and Obi-Wan go all Force-ghosty. We saw Owen and Beru's charred corpses. All we saw happen to Boba Fett is that he was slammed into the sail barge (possibly knocked himself unconscious) and fell into the Sarlacc pit.
Even though many assumed he died, It's not anywhere near ridiculous to hypothesize that he somehow survived being swallowed by the Sarlacc. It's not like he was chewed up by a rancor. And it's not a "resurrection."
I understand that, for some reason, people seem to think Boba Fett surviving is ridiculous. What I don't understand is why they think that. It's totally not the same as the other examples Yepesnopes gave. It's not the same as Biggs getting shot down in the Battle of Yavin. It's not even the same as Palpatine dying. Why is it so difficult to swallow?
I would think that any creature that takes 1000 years to digest a meal would have some kind of paralyzing agent in its digestive juices to help keep food from clawing its stomach.
Other features would be:
'pockets' that keep the food held in place and unable to move.
If the food is kept alive, I would expect a rather japanese demon type of setup to do so, or a fluid sack like the matrix battery pods.
Well, when it is all said and done it is all merely legend anyway.
Yeah, for now Fett is merely Schrodinger's Bounty Hunter, both alive and dead until observed in a new canon source. That said, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the new continuity brings him back again.
Yeah, for now Fett is merely Schrodinger's Bounty Hunter, both alive and dead until observed in a new canon source. That said, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the new continuity brings him back again.
I would agree, he is canon, so his chance of being resurrected is directly linked to his 'pack theatres full of movie goers' dividend.
My money is on TV series or Spinoff film. Tamuera Morrison is still very much in a workable age window to allow a stand-alone film set between EP VI Return of the Jedi and EP VII Glory of the Lens Flare. Heck if it got even halfway decent reviews I'd see EP VI.V Hunter Bombastic in theaters.
I'm sure it'll be one of the in between trilogy movies-movie, but I imagine the lead role is going to be recast.
Seeing how they pulled Maul back from being cut in freakin' half, I'm sure everyone's favorite bounty hunter will have no problem craawling out of the sarlacc again.
I'm sure it'll be one of the in between trilogy movies-movie, but I imagine the lead role is going to be recast.
Why? Morrison isn't too old, and even if he were, makeup would handle when the helmet was off, and a stunt-man would handle the helmet on. Done and done.
This is a solid 9 figure deal, if not 10 for Disney, they are going to want name recognition. I'm not judging one way or another I am simply acknowledging the reality of the industry.
From a story standpoint I could see why a successful Bounty Hunter might not want to look like millions of other Clone Troopers and have his appearance altered.
I'm sure it'll be one of the in between trilogy movies-movie, but I imagine the lead role is going to be recast.
Why? Morrison isn't too old, and even if he were, makeup would handle when the helmet was off, and a stunt-man would handle the helmet on. Done and done.
That would be kinda cool...casting Temuera Morrison as an older Boba Fett. Sweet idea IMO.
Just like Judge Dredd, I do not believe any Boba Fett movie would be better served with him ever taking off his helmet!
From a story standpoint I could see why a successful Bounty Hunter might not want to look like millions of other Clone Troopers and have his appearance altered.
On the other hand, he has his dad's face. Given his vengeance quest against Mace, it's hard to think he'd alter that.
I think a Boba Fett one-shot movie was rumoured back when the new trilogy and one-shot movies were first being talked about. His was always supposed to have been a throwaway character as stated by Lucas. But the Mandalorian armour and the fact that Darth Vaer seemed to treat him as an equal intrigued many. Thus a legend was born. Although I enjoyed the character more when he retained his mystery.
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From a story standpoint I could see why a successful Bounty Hunter might not want to look like millions of other Clone Troopers and have his appearance altered.
On the other hand, he has his dad's face. Given his vengeance quest against Mace, it's hard to think he'd alter that.
Vengeance don't pay the bills.
Meh as Jeremy Bullock says, "To hell with Lucas, I am not a clone!" Bring Jeremy back for any Boba reboot. The original and the best.
Zahn is over-rated IMO, Scoundrels much less fun than Shadow Games
Zahn is over-rated IMO, Scoundrels much less fun than Shadow Games
The reason I really enjoy reading Timothy Zahn is that, to me, his scenes all feel like something straight out of a roleplaying game. Moreso than most authors.
Sorry, late to the party!
So, because of what we see, we get some writer assuming that the empire is anti-alien and has no women (or very few) in it. If sacrificing Thrawn allows some female actors to don the snazzy imperial uniforms, than thrawn can be thrown out.
Also if the superweapons of the week and über jedi, fandalorians and I persobally hope the entirety of the kotor era, get tossed for new stories I'm okay with that. I can read my Rogue Squadron books and enjoy them. I can read the new books and enjoy them too.
Hahah, have you forgotten who is directing those movies and where it's being made? 
Mass-produced Stormtrooper armor having been responsible for no women in the OT's Empire is a really bad argument. For one, you don't know who is underneath that armor, so ironically for all we know it could have been a few female actors, and even if not, the EU could have simply said that some of them were girls.
You should focus on the actors whose gender we can actually identify, and this means cloth uniforms.
Now, you could of course claim that the lack of female actors was a subconscious product of the "white male" standard (you also don't see a lot of colored men in the OT) and thus an ugly reminder of our current biased culture. This would make a lot more sense than "budget constraints". But I still don't see why a sexist Empire is supposedly a fault of the Expanded Universe. In fact, I'd argue it is keeping in spirit with the black-and-white thinking that Lucas applied when he designed that world. Why do you think X-Wing pilots show their faces, whilst those of TIE pilots are hidden behind a helmet? Because the Empire is the bad guys, and having no faces dehumanizes them. It's a psychological trick that has already been used in countless WW2 air combat movies where the pilots of the German Luftwaffe are obscured by their masks, and Lucas simply applied it to SW. It's a design choice.
And I daresay that the EU made good use of this aspect of the setting, in not only providing a reasonable in-universe reason to the consequences of out-of-universe planning we have seen on the big screen, but by continuing to pursue this topic through the decades (both real time and in-setting) and having the Empire slowly change its stance regarding this subject, becoming more liberal and opening up. You have an evolution. And evolutions make a world seem more natural.
Regardless of whether the new movies will feature more women (doubt it) or less, I'm going to miss this greater detail the EU has lent to a universe that is otherwise very dumbed down, distilled into a few hours of enjoyable, hopefully inspiring, yet ultimately incredibly naive and simplified action.
Also, I wouldn't exactly expect superweapons to disappear from Star Wars any time soon.
You sound happy because this Tabula Rasa will eliminate some (admittedly) bad EU stuff from canon. But just you wait what uncle JJ has in store for you. 
"Legend" was undoubtedly a carefully chosen word. Disney doesn't do stuff by accident. "Legend" doesn't mean "it never happened." Legend is something greater than history: it is something ingrained in a culture, embedded in it, informing its psyche. To invariably regard terms like "myth" and "legend" as "untruth" is to impoverish oneself.
Let's not kid ourselves here. I think we're all adults, and we're all aware of how these things will end up being dealt with both by the corporation in charge as well as the vast networked fandom.
There's canon, and then there's nothing. And by having segregated all previous EU material into its own label, whilst simultaneously establishing a new, stronger (as per their words) canon, they are essentially presenting the latter as The Truth. As you said, Disney doesn't do stuff by accident - the "Legends" label was merely an excuse for them to completely trash the existing material and dump their own stuff on top, cleverly avoiding calling it what it really is. A Trek-like reboot.
So, please, spare the comforting words - just a few posts back you have gleefully pointed out how glad you are to see the EU "get tossed" because you don't like it. To now act like it still has some value for the fandom as a whole just sounds ... very hypocritical, as if you just want the critics of this move to shut up because "it's not so bad". Yet ultimately, what will happen is that the people who liked the original EU will be left to starve, as "their" version of the universe will receive no support and no new books, everything they liked is suddenly "non-canon", and everything published from a certain point in time onwards will cater to that Brave New World we are all supposed to embrace.
Eh...
I never thought I'd say this, but I actually prefer Games Workshop's "it's all equally true/untrue" for 40k. At least there you can really pick and choose and won't have your setting invalidated (as far as the internet will be concerned) overnight.
TCW was a noble attempt to fix the mess that was the prequels, but you can't fix what is already broken
I don't understand this statement.
Are you proposing, that things that are working fine, be fixed? I believe that was tried once, with much uproar. Greedo shooting first and all.
Hah, here we finally are on the same page again - though it's funny how this can be applied to the EU as well, and given that Greedo shooting first is the new version, does anyone here really believe things can't get worse?
Anyways, enough with that. I for one liked TCW a lot, though I have to admit they had some dumb episodes as well. Still not a fan of Darth Maul's resurrection, regardless of how cool he was as a villain (both in TPM and TCW). But ultimately, the episodes that I enjoyed a lot outnumber the ones I felt were bad by a large margin. Stuff like the Ryloth trilogy just felt very oldschool Star Wars, if you know what I mean.
I believe the show was also constrained by its target audience, though, and had a lot of potential that was ultimately left untapped because the creators didn't want to make the show "too dark". Being a war series set closely before the rise of the Empire, it could have been a lot more grittier. Sometimes it even tried. But there was always that invisible line, that limit of how far they could take it. And I believe something great has gotten lost in the process.
Still, I enjoyed it immensely. All in all, it was very Star Wars'y, from the humour to the action.
The reason I really enjoy reading Timothy Zahn is that, to me, his scenes all feel like something straight out of a roleplaying game. Moreso than most authors.
Yeah, I had a similar feeling. And I think he was the first author who actually wrote Imperials with a personality that you could relate to. Making them people instead of just moustache-twirling villains.
I still remember that one scene with the Juggernaut tank where one of the Jedi mind-controlled the rear gunner to make him open fire on his own vehicle. The novel explained it by the gunner being weak of will, thus having little resistance against this sort of manipulation.
Because he was a conscript, not an indoctrinated robot.
Because he was just as scared as the people he shot at.
Because he just wanted to survive.
... and that's what ultimately allowed the Jedi to kill him.
War never changes.
Of course, back then I did not connect these dots in the way I do now, and never would have thought about it this way. I was a lot more innocent.
"Legend" was undoubtedly a carefully chosen word. Disney doesn't do stuff by accident. "Legend" doesn't mean "it never happened." Legend is something greater than history: it is something ingrained in a culture, embedded in it, informing its psyche. To invariably regard terms like "myth" and "legend" as "untruth" is to impoverish oneself. How many times has the legend of King Arthur been told, re-told, and permutated? King Arthur himself is an historical figure, of course, but the actual historicity of the person is not what we remember. It is his fabled Knights of the Round Table, the sword Excalibur, the prophet/wizard Merlin and much more that Arthur is known for and associated with in legend.
And much like the Star Wars EU, the story of King Arthur is often a very inconsistent one when reading from one account to another, as much in medieval times as today.
I would gladly sign a petition to send to Disney to also move Episodes 1 - 3 into the "Legends" category. Making those movies officially just loosely based on what really happened makes the Star Wars universe right again for me.
I would gladly sign a petition to send to Disney to also move Episodes 1 - 3 into the "Legends" category. Making those movies officially just loosely based on what really happened makes the Star Wars universe right again for me.
Nice for you maybe, but not for others.
All the movies are loosely based on what really happened. Otherwise, how could all the characters be speaking English? 
Let's not kid ourselves here. I think we're all adults, and we're all aware of how these things will end up being dealt with both by the corporation in charge as well as the vast networked fandom."Legend" was undoubtedly a carefully chosen word. Disney doesn't do stuff by accident. "Legend" doesn't mean "it never happened." Legend is something greater than history: it is something ingrained in a culture, embedded in it, informing its psyche. To invariably regard terms like "myth" and "legend" as "untruth" is to impoverish oneself.
There's canon, and then there's nothing. And by having segregated all previous EU material into its own label, whilst simultaneously establishing a new, stronger (as per their words) canon, they are essentially presenting the latter as The Truth. As you said, Disney doesn't do stuff by accident - the "Legends" label was merely an excuse for them to completely trash the existing material and dump their own stuff on top, cleverly avoiding calling it what it really is. A Trek-like reboot.
So, please, spare the comforting words - just a few posts back you have gleefully pointed out how glad you are to see the EU "get tossed" because you don't like it. To now act like it still has some value for the fandom as a whole just sounds ... very hypocritical, as if you just want the critics of this move to shut up because "it's not so bad".
Joking aside, I'm pretty sure I've never said I was "glad to see the EU get tossed." I certainly have never been "gleeful" towards the news regarding the canon overhaul. I greatly enjoyed the majority of my EU experiences, authorship aside in some cases. No hypocrisy there, as far as I can tell.
I think perhaps you may have misattributed to me something that someone else said, and it has colored your perceptions of my own statements...? I was just expressing my views and feelings on the matter. Take them as you will, but it doesn't do anyone much good to attack my thoughts on the meaning of "legend" with speculative accusations of hypocrisy.
Additionally, it's not that I want movie critics to shut up (although, since there has yet to be the aforementioned movie, I confess I'm a little confused with the concept of critics of said movie)...I am just putting out my own take on the news of the canon alteration and the statements that were made along with it. The new movie is only a part of the canon that already exists.
Besides, my point is still perfectly valid: all the stuff in the EU that hasn't yet been overwritten "could happen." Heck, some of that stuff has "definitely happened" in some of my games! And it doesn't erase the enjoyment we've all got out of the mountains of novels in the last 30+ years.
I truly empathize with those that feel like they've lost something, since my (rather visceral) initial reaction upon reading the news about Legends was similar; however, I don't feel that way anymore. I feel like I'm being realistic in my assessment of the situation: the Legends label is just what it says it is: "legends," which has many a meaning and which encompasses well the stated intent behind the decision. The Story Team will continue to pull from the old EU when it suits the story, as they have done in the past for several movies/remasterings (and as Karen Traviss did in her novels...). I feel that, pragmatically speaking, nothing much has changed. Lucas has always been like "I do what I want" and the authors of the EU have had to dance around the "canon" that was the films. But no more dancing! This, at least, is good news!
What gets left behind may or may not have happened, but I still remember and love those story arcs from the plethora of Star Wars authors. And those memories won't suddenly cease to be because of something Disney/LucasFilm said.
And, like the story team, I will continue to pull bits from the EU that I feel suit my gaming needs. And every now and then, I might crack open a Zahn novel or the Legacy of the Force series. And I will wait and see what, if anything, the story team does with the stories from the EU going forward.
If you don't find comfort anywhere in there, I would posit that that's your own fault
You sound happy because this Tabula Rasa will eliminate some (admittedly) bad EU stuff from canon. But just you wait what uncle JJ has in store for you.
Yet ultimately, what will happen is that the people who liked the original EU will be left to starve, as "their" version of the universe will receive no support and no new books, everything they liked is suddenly "non-canon", and everything published from a certain point in time onwards will cater to that Brave New World we are all supposed to embrace.
I never thought I'd say this, but I actually prefer Games Workshop's "it's all equally true/untrue" for 40k. At least there you can really pick and choose and won't have your setting invalidated (as far as the internet will be concerned) overnight.
I believe the show was also constrained by its target audience, though, and had a lot of potential that was ultimately left untapped because the creators didn't want to make the show "too dark". Being a war series set closely before the rise of the Empire, it could have been a lot more grittier. Sometimes it even tried. But there was always that invisible line, that limit of how far they could take it. And I believe something great has gotten lost in the process.
Still, I enjoyed it immensely. All in all, it was very Star Wars'y, from the humour to the action.
Edited by awayputurwpnYeah, I had a similar feeling. And I think he was the first author who actually wrote Imperials with a personality that you could relate to. Making them people instead of just moustache-twirling villains.The reason I really enjoy reading Timothy Zahn is that, to me, his scenes all feel like something straight out of a roleplaying game. Moreso than most authors.