Which is almost definitley why Night Beast has a Faq entry and everything after uses the word immediatley.

I'm sorry, but... come on. Did you even bother to look at the abilities before you threw this out there? Or did you just wing it straight out of your rear end?

Here's the list of abilities that use "immediately" as of Imperial Aces:

Squad Leader

Chewbacca (Pilot and Crew)

Luke Skywalker (Crew)

Heavy Laser Cannon

Gunner

Rebel Captive

Advanced Sensors

Determination

R5-K6

Dutch Vander

That's 11 abilities out of 105 or so, and 4 of those are from Wave 1, which means your "everything since" covers 7 abilities out of maybe 70? Yeah, I'm not going to actually go count the Wave 2+ just to throw the number in there, I think it's pretty obvious just how wrong that statement was.

...Good Job Stygium Particle Accelerator is a 'free evade action' not just an evade token.

I had a sudden horrible thought of someone yo-yo-ing in and out of cloak and ending up with three evade tokens!

Which is almost definitley why....

60% of the time, it works everytime!

Which is almost definitley why Night Beast has a Faq entry and everything after uses the word immediatley.

I'm sorry, but... come on. Did you even bother to look at the abilities before you threw this out there? Or did you just wing it straight out of your rear end?

Here's the list of abilities that use "immediately" as of Imperial Aces:

Squad Leader

Chewbacca (Pilot and Crew)

Luke Skywalker (Crew)

Heavy Laser Cannon

Gunner

Rebel Captive

Advanced Sensors

Determination

R5-K6

Dutch Vander

That's 11 abilities out of 105 or so, and 4 of those are from Wave 1, which means your "everything since" covers 7 abilities out of maybe 70? Yeah, I'm not going to actually go count the Wave 2+ just to throw the number in there, I think it's pretty obvious just how wrong that statement was.

There is a reason most things use immediatley. And his nothing to do with a numerical restriction on how many things can happen before a dial is revealed. If it isn't to restrict timing why is it there? Huh?

And how many of the other abilities use after or before without immediatly. Because so far as I can tell I missed Push the Limit. Even during wave 2 FFG Had issues with consistency and precision of wording. They still do. If we tried to push that point we'd get a Faq entry.

There is a reason most things use immediatley. And his nothing to do with a numerical restriction on how many things can happen before a dial is revealed. If it isn't to restrict timing why is it there? Huh?

Most abilities do not use immediately. Look at the Phantom: Whisper, Advanced Cloaking Device, and Stygium Particle Accelerator are all "After" abilities (although SPA is a "When" for some reason). None use "immediately".

There are two schools of thought for why it's there: first is that it differentiates between two abilities that have the same trigger, and the "immediately" has to go first. The second is that it's a meaningless term. We honestly don't know.

What we DO know is that there are plenty of "after" abilities that do not have "immediately". None of them make sense in an "I can hold this and use it whenever I want because it says after". Can you provide even a single example ruling or ability where you don't resolve the effect as soon as the trigger condition is met? I'll save everyone the suspense - you can't, because there isn't one. You're making a lot of wild declarations for which there's not even a single example of support.

Are there any "before" that don't use Immediately?

Are there any "before" that don't use Immediately?

And again. My point had everything to do with the fact that yes you can 100% decloak then barrel roll before revealing your dial with advanced sensors. And wording as written, all of those effects 'should' for clarities sake use immediatly. The fact they don't does create a strange expectation. In addition using something before you do something is frankly an incredibly wonky trigger. Functionally it should say something like At the beginning of your section of the activation step or the like. Or hell, when your ship is activated. But they went with the manuever dial piece which creates a very strange set of circumstances with ions.

Are there any "before" that don't use Immediately?

C-3PO

Before you roll 1 or more defense dice ...

Are there any "before" that don't use Immediately?

C-3PO

Before you roll 1 or more defense dice ...

Ultimately, unless anyone's claiming that "immediately" means simultaneous triggers cannot occur (page 2 is a response from FFG that AdvSensor to Cloak, Decloak, Maneuver is legitimate) I don't really see what there is to argue about. Unless anyone wants to claim Jake Farrell can perform his Boost/Barrel Roll a few ship activations later, of course.

Ultimately, unless anyone's claiming that "immediately" means simultaneous triggers cannot occur (page 2 is a response from FFG that AdvSensor to Cloak, Decloak, Maneuver is legitimate) I don't really see what there is to argue about. Unless anyone wants to claim Jake Farrell can perform his Boost/Barrel Roll a few ship activations later, of course.

Exactly.

And despite Aminar's claims, most of the new abilities don't use "immediately". Looking at Wave 4 and Rebel Aces, all of these use "after" without "immediately":

Jake (as pointed out), Rexlar Brath, Whisper, Advanced Cloaking Device, Airen Cracken.

The only one which does use "immediately" is Vessery, whose ability is tied to rolling attack dice, and likely in there simply to make it clear that it happens before the Modify Dice Results step, just like the HLC.

So that's 5 out of 6 that use after without immediately.

There are zero examples of being able to delay resolution of an ability once the trigger is met. It's a fair question that comes up a lot, but it's about an obvious an answer as we have and it usually clears up quickly. Some just feel the need to dig in on it.