Hey all! I am planning on running EotE in about a week and a half with a group that has never played it. I have but since I wasn't GM, these questions didn't come up for me.

I have two questions, but they tie pretty closely together. Regarding talents, the CRB suggests that ranked talents can be taken unlimited times, then says that the limit is the number of times that it shows up in the combined number of specialization trees the player owns. That makes perfect sense to me. Until I come across somet talents that are ranked, but only show up a single time in a single specialization. In particular, the talent I noticed is "Blooded" (pg. 132). It is listed as ranked and is only listed in the Survivalist tree, and there only one time. Yet the description says, "Add [one boost die] per rank of Blooded..." and "Reduce the duration of any related ongoing effects... by one round per rank of Blooded to a minimum of one."

This has confused me because I thought the way the rule was listed was clear. A player could take a ranked skill multiple times, stacking the effects, as long as it showed up in the specialization tree multiple times. If that is the case, then Blooded can only ever be rank one, which is opposite of its description. Any clarification?

I should probably make this a second post, but it is along the same lines as the first question. In looking at Force Sensitive Exile, the book says that taking the specialization grants the player 1 Force Rating, unless they already have 1 Force Rating. But I can't find anything in the book that says a player can get a Force Rating any way other than by taking the Force Sensitive Exile specialization. There is a Force Rating talent at the bottom of the specialization tree, but that requires you to already have a Force Rating of 1. And am I to assume that this means that at least for EotE, a Force Sensitive character can only get a max Force Rating of 2 (basically this is the same question as the one above about "Blooded").

Also- ok, I guess I had a third question- the Force Sensitive Exile talent tree denotes some of the talents as Force Sensitive only, yet I see at least two on the list that don't have that denotation, and yet are only available in the Force Sensitive Exile tree.

Any clarification on any or all of those issues would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to be the GM that can't answer some basic questions about talents the first day we play.

I don't know how you are drawing the conclusion you can only have 1 rank of Blooded. If you take a different specialization that has it you can buy more ranks. It is offered in AoR as well in some specializations.

When you buy a Force Universal Specialization the first time it grants you FR 1, that first and only time. Any other FR advancements come as Talent upgrades in the specialization trees.

Without knowing what Talents you are referring to specifically, there are some that show up only in the Force trees. I'd need to know what you are talking about.

Thanks 2p51. I don't think you understand my question about Blooded (I am not sure I am being very clear). It only appears in the tree for Survivalist, and only one time. My question is, am I able to buy a ranked skill multiple times even if it is only in the talent tree once? Blooded appears nowhere else except Survivalist and only one time there. With regards to how the CRB explains ranked talents, here is what it says on page 128: "Many trees have multiple entries for a single talent. This is because many of the talents can be learned repeatedly. When a character learns a talent for the second-or later-time, he gains an additional rank of the talent. With few exceptions, there is no set limit to the number of ranks that a character can possess of a given talent. Instead, a charater can learn as many ranks of each talent as are present on any of his currently available trees."

Given that explanation from the CRB, I don't see how I would get more than one rank of a skill like Blooded. Yet I don't see why they talk about ranks under the description of Blooded if the above quotation from the CRB is correct in how to acquire multiple ranks of ranked talents (unless I can only get one rank of it in EotE, and then more ranks of it in later supplements outside the CRB or AoR).

The above question then applies to the Force Rating talent because the talent that allows you to raise your Force Rating only shows up once in that talent tree, yet it is a ranked talent.

The talents under Force Sensitive Exile that aren't noted as "Force Sensitive Only" on the talent tree on page 267 of the CRB, but that only list Force Sensitive Exiles as avaialble to take them under the talent section in the CRB are "Sixth Sense" (pg. 142) and "Superior Reflexes" (pg. 144). My question here really is, are these two just oversights that are improperly marked on the talent tree on page 267, or am I misunderstanding something?

Thanks again for you response, and I hope I have made my question more clear.

Hi,

no, you can a each talent in each tree space only once. If there´s blooded only once in the survivalist talent tree, then you have to find another talent tree (in the AoR-CRB) to raise it to rank 2+.

The talent to raise your force raiting by one appears in AoR too (and F&D I assume), so then you can level your F rating further.

Well, some talents from the force sensitive exile tree will reappear in some other talent trees (eote, aor)

I may be going off old data here but two Specialisations have the Blooded talent (though each only gets one rank of it).

Age of Rebellion: Soldier - Commando

Edge of the Empire: Bounty Hunter - Survivalist

So if you want more than one rank of it yer going to have to buy both books. Sneaky, FFG. Very sneaky.

FFG planned three linked games from the start (Edge of the Empire, Age of Rebellion, Force and Destiny). If you choose to buy and play all three flavours you can have a single character pass through specialisations from all three books.

e.g. Luke Skywalker may be seen as going from Fringer (EotE Explorer) to Pilot (AoR Ace) to FS Emergent (AoR Universal) to some kind of Jeeedaai (safely assumed to be available in F&D).

"Omissions" like those you've noted are likely just FFG planning ahead and making sure the different sets can interact with each other.

A ranked talent can be purchased multiple times providing it appears on the talent tree multiple times. If a talent appears only once on a tree,but is also on other trees,you must purchase that additional tree(s) if you want to continue purchasing ranks in the same talent.

Taking the Force Sensitive Exile grants a force rating of 1. At the bottom of the talent tree is the ability to aquire an additional point in the force rating.

Some of the talents not depicted as "force sensitives only" on the force sensitive exile tree,can be found on other talent trees.

Reference those talents in the talent chapter and you will notice this.

The above question then applies to the Force Rating talent because the talent that allows you to raise your Force Rating only shows up once in that talent tree, yet it is a ranked talent.

The talents under Force Sensitive Exile that aren't noted as "Force Sensitive Only" on the talent tree on page 267 of the CRB, but that only list Force Sensitive Exiles as avaialble to take them under the talent section in the CRB are "Sixth Sense" (pg. 142) and "Superior Reflexes" (pg. 144). My question here really is, are these two just oversights that are improperly marked on the talent tree on page 267, or am I misunderstanding something?

Thanks again for you response, and I hope I have made my question more clear.

Others answered Blooded. The FR Talent is essentially the same as a Dedication bonus, you get it once, in the Force user trees.

Sixth Sense and Superior Reflexes are both available in AoR to Quartermasters and Ambassadors specifically.

to the OP, one thing you've gotta consider is that FFG basically has the whole line planned out, so they at least have a good idea of where they might want to use Blooded again...they designed the Core Rulebook with future specializations in mind.

I may be going off old data here but two Specialisations have the Blooded talent (though each only gets one rank of it).

Age of Rebellion: Soldier - Commando

Edge of the Empire: Bounty Hunter - Survivalist

So if you want more than one rank of it yer going to have to buy both books. Sneaky, FFG. Very sneaky.

Actually, in the AoR Beta Updates, the Commando's 2 ranks of Blooded were replaced by the new Physical Training talent. So it stands alone on the Survivalist tree once again. Poor Blooded.

I though one rank of Blooded remained in Commando. I haven't looked at it in awhile, so I could be wrong.

I may be going off old data here but two Specialisations have the Blooded talent (though each only gets one rank of it).

Age of Rebellion: Soldier - CommandoEdge of the Empire: Bounty Hunter - Survivalist

So if you want more than one rank of it yer going to have to buy both books. Sneaky, FFG. Very sneaky.

Actually, in the AoR Beta Updates, the Commando's 2 ranks of Blooded were replaced by the new Physical Training talent. So it stands alone on the Survivalist tree once again. Poor Blooded.

I though one rank of Blooded remained in Commando. I haven't looked at it in awhile, so I could be wrong.

Rejoice!!

I'll fix my above state to to be less confusing.

I may be going off old data here but two Specialisations have the Blooded talent (though each only gets one rank of it).

Age of Rebellion: Soldier - Commando

Edge of the Empire: Bounty Hunter - Survivalist

So if you want more than one rank of it yer going to have to buy both books. Sneaky, FFG. Very sneaky.

Actually, in the AoR Beta Updates, the Commando's 2 ranks of Blooded were replaced by the new Physical Training talent. So it stands alone on the Survivalist tree once again. Poor Blooded.

I though one rank of Blooded remained in Commando. I haven't looked at it in awhile, so I could be wrong.

I believe that's the case, per the most recent update PDF. Which is a good thing; Blooded is sorta niche/crappy.

Blooded is sorta niche/crappy.

Agreed.

Also another thing to consider if you are only wanting to stay in EotE that we still have 3 sourcebooks for the classes to come. For example in Dangerous Covenants the Enforcer gets access (albeit at the bottom of the talent tree) to Black Market Contacts. Now that means for example I could make a Smuggler Scoundrel/Thief/ Hired Gun Enforcer and get up to 6 ranks in Black Market Contacts.

Another fact to take into consideration is that we don't have all the races still so there is nothing to say that there won't be a race that doesn't start with a rank of Blooded.

These points also carry over to the two force sensitive talents you point out.

I certainly hope no races are released that give a flat bonus to Force Rating or inherent Force Rating 1.

Thank you all for the responses. So it seems that some of these things, then, were designed with some foreward thinking- in future sourcebooks or CRBs they can be leveled further. I just wanted to make sure I was understanding the rules properly. You guys have been a big help.

Unlikely to come up, but I'd say that any talents with the Force Sensitive indicator would not be available to a character who couldn't use the Force, such as if they were within the Force void bubble created by a ysalamiri, or if they had been severed from the Force somehow.

Okay sorry I might of confused he was asking about the two talents that do not contain a Force Sensitive indicator Superior Reflexes and SIxth Sense. Now for example we do not have the Gotal yet and their sensory cones as an available race or Cerean and their two brains so it is possible they could get the Sixth Sense talent as related to their race (BTW NOT saying they are just that they could). The Noghri and Nagai are also not an alien race they have released so I could see them getting Superior Reflexes (BTW NOT saying they are just that they could). If we hop over to AoR we will see that their are two specializations that get one of the previously mentioned talents. Ambassador gets Sixth Sense and Quartermaster gets access to Superior Reflexes neither one are Force Sensitive Specializations.

I also like that FFG seems to have broken with canon by not saying one way or the other that the races they have released can not become Force Sensitive with the exception of Droids (which is well um Duh)