Is it me, or is the Vibro-axe just silly powerful?

By zachattack2, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

No matter how awesome the vibroaxe is, you only get to make one* attack per round. Teemo made one for Lowrhhick and he ended up owning it after some nasty business at the palace. Sure, it's gruesome. But the wookiee gladiator demands blood, so I give it to him in buckets. Anyone have a towel?

I have found two different pictures in the rule books where Lowrhhick (or some other Wookiee outfitted much the same way) is clearly using a BD-1 Cutter Vibro-Ax in a one-handed manner. Of course, he's not swinging a PAIR of vibro-axes like that, but he is clearly using it one-handed -- which would imply that you could potentially use one in each hand.

But even as a paired weapon, vibro-axes would not be as deadly as the heavy blaster with auto-fire.

This one pops up a lot. The rules also mention an ancient and most arcane idea referred to mystically as "common sense"...A serrated edge can be really sharp imo, which is really all mono molecular edges are. I see allowing both on one knife as completely reasonable. Dunno if anyone has ever used an electric carving knife but it's essentially a really sharp serrated vibro knife.

Compare a jig saw to that electric carving knife. Without power, the electric carving knife can probably be used as a regular knife -- not as easily or as well, but it will work. Without power, the jig saw blade is just a thin strip of hard metal with sharp teeth -- those teeth might hurt if you pressed them into your fingers, but you're going to have to work pretty hard to cut yourself with them, as compared to cutting yourself with an unpowered electric carving knife.

Yes, I have managed to accidentally cut myself with both types of devices.

Functionally, I don't see much difference in this case as compared to a vibro-weapon with both the serrated edge and mono-molecular edge modification -- both mods change the way the weapon works, and together they give you a bigger benefit than either by themselves.

In our world, putting a serrated edge on something has drawbacks like making it harder to sharpen and harder to keep sharp, as well as giving you the increased chance that a tooth will break off and damage the blade. But in the Star Wars world, these kinds of realities don't generally come into play.

which would imply that you could potentially use one in each hand.

This is hardcore reading crunch into fluff.

I was really just looking at single hit damage. Yeah, I like my HBR and its better at killing multiple goons, but if I'm facing a boss or big monster it seems like the Axe is going to be really powerful.

Anyway, thanks everyone for answering my noobish question.

I was really just looking at single hit damage. Yeah, I like my HBR and its better at killing multiple goons, but if I'm facing a boss or big monster it seems like the Axe is going to be really powerful.

You can allocate all Auto-Fire hits to the same target if you want.

Guess it depends on if you want a Crit really badly or not.

The awesome crit stuff really comes from Marauder talents stacked on the axe, but for other things (like having good melee defense) a vibrosword is a better option.

YOu get ONE swing with the thing.

I had one of my players get behind cover a group of bounty hunters were using and cleaved one in half. The other three switched to stun and downed him before he was able to take another action.

Why did they switch to stun? If they had planned on using stun, and had already been using stun, or if they recognized him as someone they needed to take alive then it makes sense. OTOH, there's the weird metagamey effect that 'tough' targets tend to drop faster to stun than to lethal damage. Feature or bug...?

Um.... because it would have been too easy to have ALL THREE of them to kill him is they used non-stun setting. Also I was at a point of a potential "Party Kill" so i had them drag the now unconscious bezerker into a cave

This one pops up a lot. The rules also mention an ancient and most arcane idea referred to mystically as "common sense"...A serrated edge can be really sharp imo, which is really all mono molecular edges are. I see allowing both on one knife as completely reasonable. Dunno if anyone has ever used an electric carving knife but it's essentially a really sharp serrated vibro knife.

Compare a jig saw to that electric carving knife. Without power, the electric carving knife can probably be used as a regular knife -- not as easily or as well, but it will work. Without power, the jig saw blade is just a thin strip of hard metal with sharp teeth -- those teeth might hurt if you pressed them into your fingers, but you're going to have to work pretty hard to cut yourself with them, as compared to cutting yourself with an unpowered electric carving knife.

Yes, I have managed to accidentally cut myself with both types of devices.

Functionally, I don't see much difference in this case as compared to a vibro-weapon with both the serrated edge and mono-molecular edge modification -- both mods change the way the weapon works, and together they give you a bigger benefit than either by themselves.

In our world, putting a serrated edge on something has drawbacks like making it harder to sharpen and harder to keep sharp, as well as giving you the increased chance that a tooth will break off and damage the blade. But in the Star Wars world, these kinds of realities don't generally come into play.

A saw blade and a serrated knife are completely different. A saw blade's teeth are staggered opposite each other and are designed to rip wood. A serrated edge isn't. Plus any material science that can engineer an edge a molecule thick that doesn't shatter on impact when used as a weapon isn't going to be slowed down by making it a serrated pattern. Further something a molecule thick doesn't need to be sharpened.

Guess it depends on if you want a Crit really badly or not.

Death is pretty critical.....

A saw blade and a serrated knife are completely different. A saw blade's teeth are staggered opposite each other and are designed to rip wood. A serrated edge isn't.

Some saw blades are staggered as you suggest, some are not. Perhaps I should have instead used the example of Japanese thin and flexible handsaws as opposed to a jig saw. Maybe a Dozuki? Of course, I've never used a Dozuki, and I don't know if there are any electric Dozukis that you can get, so maybe the other side of that analogy might fall apart.

Plus any material science that can engineer an edge a molecule thick that doesn't shatter on impact when used as a weapon isn't going to be slowed down by making it a serrated pattern.

The edge of the blade might be a molecule thick, but the rest of the blade is going to be thicker than that. And how those thicker parts are shaped is going to have some impact on the material being cut.

Further something a molecule thick doesn't need to be sharpened.

The parts that are only a molecule thick can't be sharpened any further, no. But those parts can also break off, thus leaving you with a duller part of the blade that might need to be re-sharpened.

Consider a thin razor cutting through a piece of paper, versus an axe that has been sharpened so that the edge is literally the same thickness as the razor. As you move back from the edge, the axe will quickly get much thicker than the razor blade will. And those thicker parts of the axe will slow it down when trying to cut through paper, but will likewise make the axe blade more durable and better able to cut through dense wood than you would be able to do with a razor blade.

So, towards that end, you want to use the right tool for the right job.

At least, that's the way it is in the "real" world. In the Star Wars world, you would never have to sharpen that mono-molecular edge axe blade, parts would never break off regardless of whether or not the blade was serrated, etc....

To each their own. For those interested, you can have a mono molecular edge and a serrated edge on one weapon at my table. Serrated edges can be really sharp.

It's not one swing, it's one attack. The damage may not be as high, but get enough damage and with pierce and a crit you could drop 2-3 minions in a sigle attack.

The auto HBR really messes up Rivals and higher better than the vibro ax though.