I wouldn't be surprised if the new X-wing model in VII is smaller (and more compact) than the ones used the the Civil War.

Hence the E-wing...

The E-wing is expensive. It's a F-14 to relate this to 70/80s USA fighters. When faced with the risk of high losses, a general is going to send in the less expensive, multi-purpose fighters (F-18 and F-16). The more expensive fighters, like F-15s and F-14s, will be fewer in number and supported by the general fighters.

We see a similar shift from A New Hope to ROTJ. The Y-wing is out in force to support the X-wings in the battle of Yavin. Then, at Endor, the X-wing has taken the Y-wing's roll and specialty ships like A-wings and B-wings are the strategic fighters that are being supported by the X-wings.

30 years later, much of the X-wings technology will be common and very cheap. They will be like the Z-wings in current game. The X-wing of VII will be better than the ones seen in ROTJ, but still old technology compared to the new hotness... upgraded E-wings or whatever it might be.

Fun to think about... but can't wait to actually see the movie!

The EU died for me in 1995, when Barbara Hambly published Children of the Jedi. I managed to get about 10 pages into it before I put it down and never, ever picked up another EU book again.

The simple fact, too, is that to keep the EU alive and try to incorporate it would probably be a nightmare for royalties, ownership and all other kinds of legal issues I would guess. The only people who would get rich from it would be the lawyers. This way, it's a clean slate, and Disney/Lucasfilm/everyone else can just pick up from RotJ and go from there.

The fact that the Falcon is going to be back put it into the "Classic Car" kind of feel for me... it was old when the OT was out. Now it'll be downright ancient. A few special modificiations indeed.

Besides, you get rid of the EU, you eliminate the outcry of whiny fanboys screaming 'you didn't do xxxx right !!!'

As much as I like the EU, mothballing it had to be done. Trying to make new stories around it would have been like navigating a minefield. You would have millions of non-EU fans lost because they don't know who the new characters are, and all the EU fans nitpicking it because it's not faithful enough, (new works are never faithful enough for the hardcore.)

The best case scenario we had before the announcement was that they would set it far enough in the future that they could ignore the EU and that it could be retconned to reflect the new episodes. Now, we just have to accept the "Legends" EU as a nebulous schrodinger-canon which may or may not apply to the star wars universe.

I wonder... since X-Wing Minis has so much fluff from the old EU, will it be considered a "Legends" product?

Would anyone be bothered if it wasn't considered full canon?

Anyone who mourns the loss of the EU needs to read "Skippy the Droid Jedi" and realize that the EU needed to be put out of our misery. Here's a spoiler from that gem:

The red R5 with the bad motivator from A New Hope, was really a force sensitive jedi droid, who had a vision of an alternate future with him and Luke, but also saw that it would keep R2D2 from completing his mission, leading to disaster, so he blew himself up to save the universe.

And don't forget old Darth Krayt, the former Tusken raider jedi who escaped Order 66, returned to Tatooine to lead his father's old tribe until Obiwan cut his arm off, then he fled into deep space, only to be caught by the Vong. Kept alive by the darkside he returns 150 years later to duke it out with Luke's grandson.

Anyone who mourns the loss of the EU needs to read "Skippy the Droid Jedi" and realize that the EU needed to be put out of our misery. Here's a spoiler from that gem:

The red R5 with the bad motivator from A New Hope, was really a force sensitive jedi droid, who had a vision of an alternate future with him and Luke, but also saw that it would keep R2D2 from completing his mission, leading to disaster, so he blew himself up to save the universe.

And don't forget old Darth Krayt, the former Tusken raider jedi who escaped Order 66, returned to Tatooine to lead his father's old tribe until Obiwan cut his arm off, then he fled into deep space, only to be caught by the Vong. Kept alive by the darkside he returns 150 years later to duke it out with Luke's grandson.

Oh come on...Skippy was written tongue-in-cheek, and printed in a non-canonical comic book.

Darth Krayt...meh, not the worst the EU had to throw at Star Wars fans. How about Jaxxon, the 6' green rabbit? Waru, (or anything else from the crystal star)? Beldorian the dark Jedi Hutt?

Any rational EU fan will admit there was a lot of crap...so much crap...but there was a lot of greatness as well. The bathwater had to be dumped, but EU fans wished that they kept the baby.

Anyone who mourns the loss of the EU needs to read "Skippy the Droid Jedi" and realize that the EU needed to be put out of our misery. Here's a spoiler from that gem:

The red R5 with the bad motivator from A New Hope, was really a force sensitive jedi droid, who had a vision of an alternate future with him and Luke, but also saw that it would keep R2D2 from completing his mission, leading to disaster, so he blew himself up to save the universe.

This was never canon.

No, no, no. Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi are pretty much all the evidence you need of why they needed a fresh slate for the new movies.

I wonder... since X-Wing Minis has so much fluff from the old EU, will it be considered a "Legends" product?

Would anyone be bothered if it wasn't considered full canon?

A game like this would never be considered canon due to the open nature of it, ex. Luke getting blasted by Fel. It contains a lot of canon things in it, but the game itself is not canon.

There is an old PC game called Rebellion (one of my favorites) that was like this. Any of the open world/sandbox/RTS games where you can do things that directly contradict or change the things in the movies are in this category.

I wonder... since X-Wing Minis has so much fluff from the old EU, will it be considered a "Legends" product?

Would anyone be bothered if it wasn't considered full canon?

A game like this would never be considered canon due to the open nature of it, ex. Luke getting blasted by Fel. It contains a lot of canon things in it, but the game itself is not canon.

There is an old PC game called Rebellion (one of my favorites) that was like this. Any of the open world/sandbox/RTS games where you can do things that directly contradict or change the things in the movies are in this category.

Good point.

I used to love playing Rebellion back in the day, even with the hundreds of pop-up windows.

Anyone who mourns the loss of the EU needs to read "Skippy the Droid Jedi" and realize that the EU needed to be put out of our misery. Here's a spoiler from that gem:The red R5 with the bad motivator from A New Hope, was really a force sensitive jedi droid, who had a vision of an alternate future with him and Luke, but also saw that it would keep R2D2 from completing his mission, leading to disaster, so he blew himself up to save the universe.And don't forget old Darth Krayt, the former Tusken raider jedi who escaped Order 66, returned to Tatooine to lead his father's old tribe until Obiwan cut his arm off, then he fled into deep space, only to be caught by the Vong. Kept alive by the darkside he returns 150 years later to duke it out with Luke's grandson.

Oh come on...Skippy was written tongue-in-cheek, and printed in a non-canonical comic book.Darth Krayt...meh, not the worst the EU had to throw at Star Wars fans. How about Jaxxon, the 6' green rabbit? Waru, (or anything else from the crystal star)? Beldorian the dark Jedi Hutt?Any rational EU fan will admit there was a lot of crap...so much crap...but there was a lot of greatness as well. The bathwater had to be dumped, but EU fans wished that they kept the baby.

I actually like some aspects of Legacy, but the idea of sandpeople becoming jedi just seemed dumb, and making them basically human savages diminishes much of their mystique. The thing is, none of the EU was ever totally canon anyway, and now it can all be used as source material and rough concepts. Now they can keep Luke's jedi academy on Yavin but leave out the Suncrusher.

I agree, Abrams' Trek movies to me didn't feel Trek at all.

However, it has been pointed out that he never was a big Trek fan but WAS a Star Wars nerd growing up. Combine that with what we've seen from Episode VII production so far and I'm oh so cautiously optimistic.

And yeah, SW died for me 5 minutes into Episode I. I left the theater feeling like Lucas had knocked me down and kicked me repeatedly in the stomach. But at least he was consistent with II & III...

I think that was the point. This is the Trek world where idealism and peace have been shattered by the hostile obliteration of a planet. It's going to change the entire universe. Tragedy always does. A little bit like how Post Borg the Federation got a whole lot more sinister. This just upped that timeline.

THANK YOU.

KRIFF, people do not understand this. Everything changed post Narada.

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Look when it comes to EU, all I'm REALLY going to miss is Kyle Katarn.

But who knows. Popular enough character, he could return.

*scratches head and thinks for a moment*

Hey. This means this if he came back, the Raven's Claw would never need to happen...

THANK YOU.

KRIFF, people do not understand this. Everything changed post Narada.

Including apparently the laws of physics in the universe as well as pre-Narmada history.

Ok. Feeling like a chump as someone in another thread posted that it could be a model for close up shots with a pilot etc and therefore not 'complete'. so ill hold my tongue for now and just be glad that they are using life size ships.

THANK YOU.

KRIFF, people do not understand this. Everything changed post Narada.

Including apparently the laws of physics in the universe as well as pre-Narmada history.

Yes, because Trek always slavishly adhered to the laws of physics

Abrams didn't do anything to Trek but continue a trend that had started long before he got anywhere near the franchise.

Yes, because Trek always slavishly adhered to the laws of physics :rolleyes:/quote]

True. I can't really argue with that. Still think his trek movies are garbage though. Thus, however, is not the place for that discussion.

So, Star Wars.

There have been occasional instances of time travel in the Star Wars universe, so maybe Abrams will have the droids go back in time and prevent alderaans destruction which somehow delays events so that it takes another 30 years for the rebellion to defeat the emperor.

Yes, because Trek always slavishly adhered to the laws of physics :rolleyes:/quote]

True. I can't really argue with that. Still think his trek movies are garbage though. Thus, however, is not the place for that discussion.

So, Star Wars.

There have been occasional instances of time travel in the Star Wars universe, so maybe Abrams will have the droids go back in time and prevent alderaans destruction which somehow delays events so that it takes another 30 years for the rebellion to defeat the emperor.

that would be fun, let's do the rebellion all over

the old cast could hang around as spock-equivalents and give helpful hints, start a running commentary or just do an in situ behind the scenes audio stream.

just as side note, the alternate timeline of the new star trek movies is actually best feature of them, it allows for a far more free story telling while still using anecdotes and hints at old stories. Most of the rest got lens-flared to death into a high school reunion-ish setting. Reminded me kind of the respective scene from the 200ths episode of Stargate, where they showed alternate representations/styles for the show.

As others have stated this is an UNFINISHED Prop, and by the looks of the other parts scattered around I can see what appears to be the X-wings Nose cone among other things.

THANK YOU.

KRIFF, people do not understand this. Everything changed post Narada.

Including apparently the laws of physics in the universe as well as pre-Narmada history.

Oh please. The Enterprise rising out of the water is nothing compared to the stupid singularity collapse in earth's orbit in Transformers: Dark of The Moon. Now THAT'S worth complaining about..!

Regardless. New X-Wing, I like it.

the first JJ Trek movie was good... the second one was OK, really getting tired of "re-imagined" old story lines....as for the x-wing it was made with a short nose so that it looks large when filmed with a fish eye lens!! lol

They have to make a new x-wing so we have new minis in wave vi.

_{Either way, we all know lens flares will be part of the movie}

It's clear that effort is being put into this film. Effort was put into the original trilogy. You can make no such claim about the prequels when you watch Lucas sitting in his chair directing 2 people just walking in front of a green screen for 60% (this is a made up number) of the behind the scene shots.

JJ Abrams' effort is going to get me to rescind my 'no more seeing Star Wars in the theater' promise.

As far as the EU, don't be the guy that says SW is dead to you because they aren't making your vision of Star Wars and they are not considering the EU canon. If you are that guy, I'll see you over on the DnD forums, deep in the edition wars threads.

Anyone who says the EU is crap is plain wrong.

It's one of the best upgrades you can put on a ship like the Lambda Shuttle!

No, the EU sucks. That's why no one wants to switch to the Euro.

My first year at University someone on my floor had an article up talking about "Political Correctness". I was seriously confused because it didn't seem to be talking about either Player Characters or Personal Computers.

Amusing, I recall high school and hearing the teacher ask about the youth in Asia. When other kids started talking about killing old people .. Well, to say I was confused would be an understatement.