Hey guys,

I seem to be in a pickle over going to a store tournament, and would like some advice on the etiquette of lending a friend my ships (as he has only two TIE's). I am not a poor sport, nor do I throw my dummy (pacifier) out the pram when I loose (I learn from the experience). But to help a friend beat yourself and others is this ethical ? To me X-Wing kinda feels like one massive arms race, with everyone rushing to the stores for the latest new ship (or cards). So I thought I would head here to find a general consensus on the subject (I do apologise if there is already a thread for this). Have any of you's wondered over the same implications or am I just over thinking here and should see him as just another opponent ?

Ehhrmm.. If I understand correctly the question is should you loan your friend some ships, even though he might beat you with them at a store tournament (not the olympics where you trained 4 years to get there)?

Than yes.. wtihout a second thought if he really is a friend (and does take good care of things he borrows)

etiquette schmetiquette. Helping a friend is not done based on etiquette but done from the heart

But to help a friend beat yourself and others is this ethical ?

How would it be unethical?

Your buddy comes up to you and asks if he may borrow some of your unused ships so you and he both can participate in a fun event you both enjoy. Would you, honestly, then say no because he might beat you?

Excluding someone from the tournament to better your chances? Would you not offer him a ride to the store to share in gas and parking?

It's about playing the game, not paying the game.

Aye he is a good mate but once the ships are down, he can be a tad over competative. But I shall press ahead and have only one rule: I get first dibs on the up-grade cards.

Just new to the X-Wing tourney scene and have been to other events (GW) and seen some horrendous displays of dummy throwing.

I find it difficult that you even need to ask this question.

I'm going to a tournament over the weekend with two mates and we've each stated that anything we have that we're not using is 100% available to the others should they need it.

Because they're mates.

I think it would be unethical not to lend them my stuff.

Do actually know what you mean, mate of mine I regularly beat at game nights borrow a firespray for a tournament to field 2 and a shuttle, then got drawn against him and he whooped my 4 x wing team! He went on to top 4 finish and the gloating I've had to put up with is endless! To be fair he did get a lot of grief after not getting a single win in first tournament we played...

Would still lend him stuff again though, just in the faint hope that we'd avoid each other!

Thanks guys, Part of asking such an odd question was just to see how it was responded to (first post on here), I know some forums can have unfriendly trolls. So thank you for your constructive advice.

I got my friend into this game by lending him my shuttle and bombers at our store championships this year; he now owns his own Imperial fleet and has recently starting whooping my butt in this game.

Do it, it's one of the best things you can do!

I think it's a great idea to loan ships to friends and teach them the game.

Tournaments are few and far between, but a friend who you've taught the game to is someone you can play with anytime you want.

I've spent the last month or so teaching a coworker, and I'm loaning her enough ships to field a squad (and some extras of the opposite faction in case by some act of God/Beginner's Luck she makes it to the finals for Imdaar Alpha).

I've also offered some of my ships to friends who may not have as many ships as I do.

It's about building a community. I mean the Imdaar Alpha prize is only a ship that in a month we'll be able to buy off the shelf for $15. Is $15 really worth being all secretive? Is $15 really worth an arms race mentality? It isn't to me. I'm in it to have fun and hang out with friends/meet new people. I think 75-99% of X-wing players have the same mentality.

Though you did say something about your friend being "very competitive." I don't know how exactly he behaves, but that is probably more a commentary on an individual situation. But generally sharing and teaching is a good thing.

(So long as you get first dibs on your own gear, and your friend gets the hot pink ships )

As long as the stuff that you lend is not what you needed yourself, then lending it seems like a good idea to me. Heck, If your friend loses, you get the good feeling that you tried your best to help your friend. If your friend wins something in the tournament, you get to gloat that your rebel / imperial reinforcments contributed to his victory! Seems like a win / win to me

Done and dusted guys, sent mate a message asking what he would like from the Imperial arsenal.

If I read correctly, he only has 2 TIE's (presumably the Core game TIE's?), either way, he can't reasonably enter the tournament without borrowing some stuff from a friend (a 30 point list in a 100 point game is not reasonable).

An extra player participating in this fantastic game is a win, even if it makes it harder for me to get a prize.

I have done this myself, I loaned a mate 2 ships so he could come to Regionals with me. That way I had a travel buddy.

As long as the stuff that you lend is not what you needed yourself, then lending it seems like a good idea to me. Heck, If your friend loses, you get the good feeling that you tried your best to help your friend. If your friend wins something in the tournament, you get to gloat that your rebel / imperial reinforcments contributed to his victory! Seems like a win / win to me

and so the prize.........is technically mine ?

This is a simple problem to solve...

If you loan ships to him, and he starts to beat you, just do the 'ol Calvin and Hobbes /tableflip and walk away without sayingn anything else.

Done and done. Glad I could be of assistance in this matter

This is a simple problem to solve...

If you loan ships to him, and he starts to beat you, just do the 'ol Calvin and Hobbes /tableflip and walk away without sayingn anything else.

Done and done. Glad I could be of assistance in this matter

There is another option: you look at the friend, put your hood on, look at the units you loaned and say darkly: "Execute Order 66."

Any following bad dice roll on his part will be hilarious afterwards

This is a simple problem to solve...

If you loan ships to him, and he starts to beat you, just do the 'ol Calvin and Hobbes /tableflip and walk away without sayingn anything else.

Done and done. Glad I could be of assistance in this matter

There is another option: you look at the friend, put your hood on, look at the units you loaned and say darkly: "Execute Order 66."

Any following bad dice roll on his part will be hilarious afterwards

Now that's the kind of advice I can dig

This isn't MTG where half the game is throwing money at it. The metagame is list design. He doesn't physically have that TIE but he still designed that list. You're giving him no advantage apart from saving him from being a tenner out of pocket.

Got two tourneys this weekend in good old sunny Scotland, getting a good following from my local games club as interest from others seeing me play my friend has escalated quite well. And gonna risk it for a biscuit with a 3 x-wing build.

This isn't MTG where half the game is throwing money at it. The metagame is list design. He doesn't physically have that TIE but he still designed that list. You're giving him no advantage apart from saving him from being a tenner out of pocket.

And this ^ is why I switched to Netrunner from MTG.

How a friend and myself do it, I have bought all of the x-wing stuff and him and I game with it all. He buys all the stuff from other games that we play. I find it a really good practice because it allows us both to play a variety of different games without having to spend the time and money on a bunch of different things. I focus all my buying on x-wing so however much money I put into it that's all on me.

This isn't MTG where half the game is throwing money at it. The metagame is list design. He doesn't physically have that TIE but he still designed that list. You're giving him no advantage apart from saving him from being a tenner out of pocket.

And this ^ is why I switched to Netrunner from MTG.

Plus Netrunner's an incredible game and MTG... isn't.

"Do you have the models/cards" is a fair question to a player across the table from you - because I might want to check the special rule/pilot skill/whatever for a ship I don't know, or see that you actually do have upgrade slot X.

I couldn't give a monkey's if they're yours or a friend loaned them to you. As long as you trust him to return the cards/ships undamaged, and you aren't using them yourself, why shouldn't you?

This goes double if you've got a small group of people collecting together - if two or three people's cards go into a communal pool, it makes life umpty-ump times easier when trying to build lists because often an imperial player will find he really, really wants an upgrade in a rebel expansion or vice versa (Push The Limit used to be the classic one, but Advanced Sensors and Engine Upgrade are also good examples).

This isn't MTG where half the game is throwing money at it. The metagame is list design. He doesn't physically have that TIE but he still designed that list. You're giving him no advantage apart from saving him from being a tenner out of pocket.

MTG still can be about list design, that's the best part of it. Any idiot can buy a netdeck and learn to pilot it, the trick is throwing the curveballs.

The only concern you should have about lending ships to a friend is does he take care of them?