So when I'm playing with my friends we set our dials.

Let's say I'm playing xxbb, and the 2 b have the same pilot score.

Sometimes I'll forget what did I set the dials at, so I'll look at them both before choosing.

Then pick the one that best suits so I don't block myself.

Like when declaring barrel rolling, target locks, I was kind of thinking of you pick up a dial and realize that it's the wrong one, are you stuck with that because you had chosen that first, even if it's the wrong dial?

I think I'm probably over thinking but want to make sure before the tournament this weekend.

Place your dials on the ship cards and you will never have this issue. You can check your dials at any time and declare which one you're going to do first.

Is that frown upon during tournamentplay though?

I thought most put their dials on the table.

This is my second tournament btw so I'm still new with this aspect of the game

One dial for one ship. No choosing which is best. Put your dials next to your ships on the map. Put the dials on the ship cards. Line up the dials in the same formation as your ships. You must do something to make it clear which dial goes with what ship. You can't have two PS2 Bwings, set two different maneuvers, and then decide when you move them which is for which ship. That would be cheating. Don't do anything even close to that. Make it VERY clear when you set your dials what ship they go to.

Are you looking at the dial and seeing which ship to move first or are you looking at a dial and choosing which ship to use it with.

The first is OK, the second is a big no-no.

You set your dial per ship and the dials cannot be changed or swapped to another ship.

It is not frowned upon to put your dials on your ship cards. In fact its probably preferable, as it keeps the board less cluttered. At least that's my take. If my opponent really wants to see what my dial has he can ask me. That said, I always know which manuever each ship is doing, but I'm a little bit obsessive like that.

You can move ships of the same PS in any order you want. That is totally legal. But you CANNOT swap dials between ships, once you've declared that you are set. Like mentioned above, I believe you are permitted to look at the dials you've set whenever you want, but be careful not to reveal them, someone could construe that to be the beginning of that ship's activation. It could also be the case that you aren't allowed to view them until the ship activates once you've declared you are set. The best and safest course of action, set your dials, place them next to the intended ship, don't look at them again until you are moving that ship. No one should ever have an issue with those steps. If you stray from that, some opponents may become unhappy.

Dials on ship cards leaves the play area uncluttered and prevents any accusations of cheating because a player might think you're switching dials for ships. If I'm down to one ship, I might place the dial in the play area, but for anything else, dials on ship cards is much smoother.

I think some misunderstood me

In not asking about switching dials.

I've played this game a lot since I got into it.

I just wanted to make sure that if I have two of the same ps ships that I can double check the dials before committing which to move first.

I know after playing for awhile I get tired and forgetful. I've also made a mistake of not setting a dial.

Just when it comes for my turn to move, if I pick up the back ships dial first, realize ops,wrong one, and move the other ship that I'm not doing something wrong

Don't really know where switching the dials came from. That's just common sense

Edit.

Just read my op, and now I see why the confusion lol.

Guess I worded it wrong.

Typing on my phone sucks so I rushed it lol.

Yes you can check your dials before choosing the order in which to move.

Yes you can check your dials before choosi

choosing the order in which to move.

Great thanks you

I figured I was over thinking it, but just wanted to double check

It is not frowned upon to put your dials on your ship cards. In fact its probably preferable, as it keeps the board less cluttered. At least that's my take. If my opponent really wants to see what my dial has he can ask me. That said, I always know which manuever each ship is doing, but I'm a little bit obsessive like that.

Dials on ship cards leaves the play area uncluttered and prevents any accusations of cheating because a player might think you're switching dials for ships. If I'm down to one ship, I might place the dial in the play area, but for anything else, dials on ship cards is much smoother.

Though I have never been particularly against it, the rules specifically state that the dials need to be next to the ships.

From the rules:

Its even bolded in the rules that it needs to be near the corresponding ship inside the play area.

also with the dial on the cards I think it is actually more likely for players to mix them up, or in fact swap them for an unscrupulous player.

I just prefer to see the dial out on the field as it also lets you know which ships have moved and which still need to move for when you are taking actions.

Having said that as long as your opponent is OK with it then its probably fine.

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It is not frowned upon to put your dials on your ship cards. In fact its probably preferable, as it keeps the board less cluttered. At least that's my take. If my opponen. really wants to see what my dial he can ask me. That said, I always know which manuever each ship is doing, but I'm a little bit obsessive like that.

That is actually untrue. The rules state to put next to the ship. My brother tried to place the dials on the cards at regoinals and was accused of cheating when he put them on the ship cards, saying he was rotating the dial with his thumb as he picked them up which is ridiculous . The TO then stated to keep dials next to ships to avoid these accusations. Always, always put your dials next to your ship in tournament play, its the rules, same with all tokens and the like, yes it clutters up the board but again, its the rules.

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I just wanted to make sure that if I have two of the same ps ships that I can double check the dials before committing which to move first.

I know after playing for awhile I get tired and forgetful. I've also made a mistake of not setting a dial.

Just when it comes for my turn to move, if I pick up the back ships dial first, realize ops,wrong one, and move the other ship that I'm not doing something wrong

Don't really know where switching the dials came from. That's just common sense

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You should be able to "check" what your ships are doing before you activate them.

Be VERY careful when you start throwing around "not setting a dial." Prior to one of the latest FAQ a question was asked "what happens if I forget to set a dial?" Now a consensus answer was that assuming your ship has a dial present you will use the maneuver on the dial but the FAQ takes the hard line approach. That is basically "if you don't 'set' your dial, even with no changes, then your opponent gets to choose your maneuver for you."

"Setting dials" is a very important part of the game so you REALLY need to make sure each of your ships clearly has a dial assigned (set) for it.

Your dials, glimpse at them when you wish.

It is not frowned upon to put your dials on your ship cards. In fact its probably preferable, as it keeps the board less cluttered. At least that's my take. If my opponen. really wants to see what my dial he can ask me. That said, I always know which manuever each ship is doing, but I'm a little bit obsessive like that.

That is actually untrue. The rules state to put next to the ship. My brother tried to place the dials on the cards at regoinals and was accused of cheating when he put them on the ship cards, saying he was rotating the dial with his thumb as he picked them up which is ridiculous . The TO then stated to keep dials next to ships to avoid these accusations. Always, always put your dials next to your ship in tournament play, its the rules, same with all tokens and the like, yes it clutters up the board but again, its the rules.

Moral of the story: always run shortcuts by your opponent first. A little bit of communication saves a lot of headaches and hurt feelings.

It is not frowned upon to put your dials on your ship cards. In fact its probably preferable, as it keeps the board less cluttered. At least that's my take. If my opponen. really wants to see what my dial he can ask me. That said, I always know which manuever each ship is doing, but I'm a little bit obsessive like that.

That is actually untrue. The rules state to put next to the ship. My brother tried to place the dials on the cards at regoinals and was accused of cheating when he put them on the ship cards, saying he was rotating the dial with his thumb as he picked them up which is ridiculous . The TO then stated to keep dials next to ships to avoid these accusations. Always, always put your dials next to your ship in tournament play, its the rules, same with all tokens and the like, yes it clutters up the board but again, its the rules.

Seriously? Well two take home points from that. I shall check with my opponents beforehand. And secondly, if someone was throwing those sorts of accusations around at me, I would be happy. Because if they're clinging to that sort of stuff then they must be desperate.

It is not frowned upon to put your dials on your ship cards. In fact its probably preferable, as it keeps the board less cluttered. At least that's my take. If my opponen. really wants to see what my dial he can ask me. That said, I always know which manuever each ship is doing, but I'm a little bit obsessive like that.

That is actually untrue. The rules state to put next to the ship. My brother tried to place the dials on the cards at regoinals and was accused of cheating when he put them on the ship cards, saying he was rotating the dial with his thumb as he picked them up which is ridiculous . The TO then stated to keep dials next to ships to avoid these accusations. Always, always put your dials next to your ship in tournament play, its the rules, same with all tokens and the like, yes it clutters up the board but again, its the rules.

I find this utterly ridiculous. I don't mind "clutter" but sometimes it gets hard to tell what ship a given focus or target lock is assigned to, even if placed directly on the based it can easily fall off, and in a close dogfight the same can easily happen to dials, all it takes is one accidental nudge.

It is not frowned upon to put your dials on your ship cards. In fact its probably preferable, as it keeps the board less cluttered. At least that's my take. If my opponen. really wants to see what my dial he can ask me. That said, I always know which manuever each ship is doing, but I'm a little bit obsessive like that.

That is actually untrue. The rules state to put next to the ship. My brother tried to place the dials on the cards at regoinals and was accused of cheating when he put them on the ship cards, saying he was rotating the dial with his thumb as he picked them up which is ridiculous . The TO then stated to keep dials next to ships to avoid these accusations. Always, always put your dials next to your ship in tournament play, its the rules, same with all tokens and the like, yes it clutters up the board but again, its the rules.

I find this utterly ridiculous. I don't mind "clutter" but sometimes it gets hard to tell what ship a given focus or target lock is assigned to, even if placed directly on the based it can easily fall off, and in a close dogfight the same can easily happen to dials, all it takes is one accidental nudge.

That situation is a bit over the top, but it is about clarity and transparency. This discussion has come up in other threads and in most cases the rules make the most sense for both clarity and transparency. However, there is a tipping point where it becomes impossible or pointless to set the dials next to the ships.

It is not frowned upon to put your dials on your ship cards. In fact its probably preferable, as it keeps the board less cluttered. At least that's my take. If my opponen. really wants to see what my dial he can ask me. That said, I always know which manuever each ship is doing, but I'm a little bit obsessive like that.

That is actually untrue. The rules state to put next to the ship. My brother tried to place the dials on the cards at regoinals and was accused of cheating when he put them on the ship cards, saying he was rotating the dial with his thumb as he picked them up which is ridiculous . The TO then stated to keep dials next to ships to avoid these accusations. Always, always put your dials next to your ship in tournament play, its the rules, same with all tokens and the like, yes it clutters up the board but again, its the rules.

I'm sorry to hear this. I kept my dials on my cards during my rounds. I figured clutter to be an issue and if playing against a same faction opponent, the possibility of picking up one of my opponent's dial for my ships could happen. Did your brother's opponent accuse him of cheating and notify the TO? I played him in round 4 and he already seemed flustered.

Interesting. Now that you've brought it up, I've noticed that the whole section in the Tournament Rules about "Mirror Matches" has been removed in the latest version. It used to say,

"When a player assigns maneuver dials, he may assign them to Ship cards rather than placing them next to ship bases. This prevents a player from mistaking his opponent’s dials for his own."

Instead they say you can mark your dials to avoid confusion, but they don't say it's okay to put dials on ship cards.

@OP: I think I understand what you're saying. I always thought that checking dials like that was against the rules. Maybe I'm just holding myself to too strict a rules set. I interpreted that flipping a maneuver dial to look at it is the same as revealing it, and starts the activation for that ship. So if you have two Blue Squadron Pilots, and you peak at one maneuver dial, you would be obligated to continue that ship's activation before revealing the maneuver dial of the other Blue Squadron Pilot. For low PS ships moving first in the Activation phase I could see how checking the dial could be a continuation of the planning phase. However, once other ships have activated, checking dials just doesn't sit right with me.

I'm guessing there's a little bit that bothers you (or your friends) otherwise you wouldn't have posted the question.

Interesting. Now that you've brought it up, I've noticed that the whole section in the Tournament Rules about "Mirror Matches" has been removed in the latest version. It used to say,

"When a player assigns maneuver dials, he may assign them to Ship cards rather than placing them next to ship bases. This prevents a player from mistaking his opponent’s dials for his own."

Instead they say you can mark your dials to avoid confusion, but they don't say it's okay to put dials on ship cards.

@OP: I think I understand what you're saying. I always thought that checking dials like that was against the rules. Maybe I'm just holding myself to too strict a rules set. I interpreted that flipping a maneuver dial to look at it is the same as revealing it, and starts the activation for that ship. So if you have two Blue Squadron Pilots, and you peak at one maneuver dial, you would be obligated to continue that ship's activation before revealing the maneuver dial of the other Blue Squadron Pilot. For low PS ships moving first in the Activation phase I could see how checking the dial could be a continuation of the planning phase. However, once other ships have activated, checking dials just doesn't sit right with me.

I'm guessing there's a little bit that bothers you (or your friends) otherwise you wouldn't have posted the question.

It's still there on page 4 as the last couple of lines of "mirror matches" unless there's a more recent update than 4.21?

Interesting. Now that you've brought it up, I've noticed that the whole section in the Tournament Rules about "Mirror Matches" has been removed in the latest version. It used to say,

"When a player assigns maneuver dials, he may assign them to Ship cards rather than placing them next to ship bases. This prevents a player from mistaking his opponent’s dials for his own."

Instead they say you can mark your dials to avoid confusion, but they don't say it's okay to put dials on ship cards.

@OP: I think I understand what you're saying. I always thought that checking dials like that was against the rules. Maybe I'm just holding myself to too strict a rules set. I interpreted that flipping a maneuver dial to look at it is the same as revealing it, and starts the activation for that ship. So if you have two Blue Squadron Pilots, and you peak at one maneuver dial, you would be obligated to continue that ship's activation before revealing the maneuver dial of the other Blue Squadron Pilot. For low PS ships moving first in the Activation phase I could see how checking the dial could be a continuation of the planning phase. However, once other ships have activated, checking dials just doesn't sit right with me.

I'm guessing there's a little bit that bothers you (or your friends) otherwise you wouldn't have posted the question.

For example 2 bwings in a line. Pick up the front dial and then realize that the back ship moves first or else I would crash with the front one. ( hope that makes sense, 1am here)

No one ever said anything to me, but I just wondered, is that considered activating that first ship?

From what I could tell there is nothing in the rules about it, but wanted to make sure.

From what I'm hearing about other players here, I'll probably put my disks in the table as that is what I'm use to anyway, but if it does get cluttered, ask my opponent if he minds I set them in my cards.

Play a TIE Swarm.
Balance the dials on top of the ships, like little yarmulkas.

I figured clutter to be an issue and if playing against a same faction opponent, the possibility of picking up one of my opponent's dial for my ships could happen.

I've actually done this by accident in a friendly game, hence one of the reasons why I now stick to placing my dials on my cards.