CGI for Episode VII

By Felswrath69, in X-Wing

From all accounts, Abrams will be using as many old school technical effects as possible to make it have a similar feel to the original films. Now, this doesn't mean he won't be using CGI or that the models and such won't be made from modern materials, but it does mean they're going to try and match the look of the movie to the original trilogy as much as possible.

The look of the film is just as important as the location, and as awesome as the prequels looked, they didn't feel like Star Wars because they felt too new. It's like putting a new chandelier in an old farmhouse you grew up in. The chandelier is beautiful and does its job, but it lacks the charm of the old house. There's a lack of "lived-in" feel and rustic charm that makes you feel at home with a chandelier, because it doesn't have the same feeling as the rest of the house. I'm hoping the new film(s) will be like building an addition to the farmhouse, and the architects use the original blueprints for inspiration for the addition. They'll use modern materials to make it, and there will be some differences, but it will match the rest of the house.

Hey, if this works (and now I'm getting somewhat optimistic about these new movies), maybe we can talk them into going back and doing a real prequal trilogy (same grand story arc, but change EVERYTHING else)... ;)

http://www.imgur.com/gallery/8H9a0mt

As you can see, Abrahms is moving back to that old SW feel with actual costumes and puppets for some stuff instead of just green screening everything. This is totally a move in the right direction IMO. Thoughts?

could be ... or he is just filming the behind the scenes stuff also in front of a green screen - to give it a realistic touch, even with some rough edges to which you then apply the second "official" round of special effects.

That could happen (new prequels) like Spider-man but I wouldn't count on it. Did you see the list of yearly releases?

2014 Rebels

2015 Episode VII

2016 Fett?

2017 Episode VIII

2018 Solo

2019 Episode IX

2020 Red Squadron!!!!! (Excited about that one)

That could happen (new prequels) like Spider-man but I wouldn't count on it. Did you see the list of yearly releases?

2014 Rebels

2015 Episode VII

2016 Fett?

2017 Episode VIII

2018 Solo

2019 Episode IX

2020 Red Squadron!!!!! (Excited about that one)

Isn't it called "Red Five"?

I do get your what you're saying though. I hope it has something to do with Rogue Squadron. Perhaps its about a new pilot who fills in Luke's shoes.

Right you are, I stand corrected. Either way, if the rebooted those it would be a generation from now. God, I hope they don't remake the original trilogy though... Lucas already shredded it enough with the 'Special' Editions. I have other words for 1997 CGI painfully inserted into a timeless masterpiece, but Special is not one of them... Good thing I kept my original VHS, sadly I never purchased the DVD version.

I have faith in JJ that he'll do the new movies right and not make them silly like his Star Trek movies. The big difference with him is that he is a huge Star Wars fan. He wasn't really a Star Trek fan at all. I don't think he "got" Star Trek. He essentially made two action movies with a a Star Trek theme to them. I did enjoy his first Star Trek movie, despite the whole time travel thing to reboot TOS. However, he went over the top on action on the second and really didn't concentrate on a plot that made any **** sense.

Being a fan of Star Wars, I think he knows what made the OT so good. Hopefully he has got a good story to work with.

Says 'JoJo'.... Is that you lurking Abrams?! You better not mess this up for us, you're our only hope!

;)

Tatooione may be overused, but there's no way you start up a whole new era of Star Wars films without starting there. It's just impossible. It serves to immediately connect the viewer with the entire history and mythos of the saga in a way no where else can.

Good CGI is best with good acting.

Can't remember his name, but the same actor who played Gollum in Lord of the Rings also played King Kong. Both were convincing and I have no doubt that it was down to the great acting. In fact, the actor spent time with gorillas to learn how they acted and in an interview revealed that he'd gotten so good at it that a female gorilla took a shine to him.

But.....

.....the best sci-fi battle scene has got to be the opening battle scene in Terminator 2 Judgement Day. Most realistic sci-fi battle scene in my opinion, uncorrupted by CGI and yet the Terminators actually looked real. Sent a shiver up my spine when I first watched it as a boy and the Terminator looked right into the camera.....that would have been awesome in 3D.

http://www.imgur.com/gallery/8H9a0mt

As you can see, Abrahms is moving back to that old SW feel with actual costumes and puppets for some stuff instead of just green screening everything. This is totally a move in the right direction IMO. Thoughts?

It all depends how its presented. GS in Ep III was awesome esp on the lava planet. Most of the scenery on that planet, esp the lava scenes, used physical models and effects.

I hope they use cgi with ships mainly because how dangerous it is to film giant space battles the way they did in ROTJ. They almost destroyed the film becauce of ware on the film recording on top of recordings over and iver agian.

I am for both, some scenes cg some puppets and makeup some both. Anyone claiming cgi can't be immersive and photo realistic didn't see Pacific Rim. Mmmm giant robots. Anyway JJ Abrams stuff on the Star Trek bonus material has me hopeful. We shall see. I wonder if we will get any light sabers though...

I am for both, some scenes cg some puppets and makeup some both. Anyone claiming cgi can't be immersive and photo realistic didn't see Pacific Rim. Mmmm giant robots. Anyway JJ Abrams stuff on the Star Trek bonus material has me hopeful. We shall see. I wonder if we will get any light sabers though...

That's the trick is to keep a balance, maybe a little more CGI than the special editions, but not nearly as much more as the prequels, lets be honest, yes Jedi have the Force, but doing gold medal quality Olympic figure skating moves every 2 seconds in the middle of a lightsaber duel is a little unrealistic even for Star Wars, not saying I liked the original light saber duels alot better but there has to be a middle ground somewhere

I am for both, some scenes cg some puppets and makeup some both. Anyone claiming cgi can't be immersive and photo realistic didn't see Pacific Rim. Mmmm giant robots. Anyway JJ Abrams stuff on the Star Trek bonus material has me hopeful. We shall see. I wonder if we will get any light sabers though...

That's the trick is to keep a balance, maybe a little more CGI than the special editions, but not nearly as much more as the prequels, lets be honest, yes Jedi have the Force, but doing gold medal quality Olympic figure skating moves every 2 seconds in the middle of a lightsaber duel is a little unrealistic even for Star Wars, not saying I liked the original light saber duels alot better but there has to be a middle ground somewhere

I am for both, some scenes cg some puppets and makeup some both. Anyone claiming cgi can't be immersive and photo realistic didn't see Pacific Rim. Mmmm giant robots. Anyway JJ Abrams stuff on the Star Trek bonus material has me hopeful. We shall see. I wonder if we will get any light sabers though...

That's the trick is to keep a balance, maybe a little more CGI than the special editions, but not nearly as much more as the prequels, lets be honest, yes Jedi have the Force, but doing gold medal quality Olympic figure skating moves every 2 seconds in the middle of a lightsaber duel is a little unrealistic even for Star Wars, not saying I liked the original light saber duels alot better but there has to be a middle ground somewhere
Jedi are pretty superhuman. They were portrayed as such.

yes they CAN do the flips and spins, but my problem with that is would you? Your opponent is every bit as fast and superhuman as you are do you really want to turn your back to him in the middle of a fight, even for a third of a second?

Please tell me that's not Tatooine again.

My thought too. There was a brief moment of creativity making planets, aliens, and droids during the original trilogy and then they seem to have forgotten how they did it.

We don't need to see that planet again to set the mood. Maybe open with a quick x-wing vs tie dogfight. Or a Star Destroyer scene like the original. Or even just have the Falcon zip across the screen on it's way to a totally new planet. The crowd would cheer at any of them.

I have faith in JJ that he'll do the new movies right and not make them silly like his Star Trek movies. The big difference with him is that he is a huge Star Wars fan.

I fully expect to leave the theatre after VII talking about all the cool high paced action scenes and how it felt like the original trilogy only to realize that nobody can remember if there was an actual plot. JJ has done it before.

I am for both, some scenes cg some puppets and makeup some both. Anyone claiming cgi can't be immersive and photo realistic didn't see Pacific Rim. Mmmm giant robots. Anyway JJ Abrams stuff on the Star Trek bonus material has me hopeful. We shall see. I wonder if we will get any light sabers though...

That's the trick is to keep a balance, maybe a little more CGI than the special editions, but not nearly as much more as the prequels, lets be honest, yes Jedi have the Force, but doing gold medal quality Olympic figure skating moves every 2 seconds in the middle of a lightsaber duel is a little unrealistic even for Star Wars, not saying I liked the original light saber duels alot better but there has to be a middle ground somewhere
Jedi are pretty superhuman. They were portrayed as such.

yes they CAN do the flips and spins, but my problem with that is would you? Your opponent is every bit as fast and superhuman as you are do you really want to turn your back to him in the middle of a fight, even for a third of a second?

http://www.imgur.com/gallery/8H9a0mt

As you can see, Abrahms is moving back to that old SW feel with actual costumes and puppets for some stuff instead of just green screening everything. This is totally a move in the right direction IMO. Thoughts?

That actually doesn't surprise me at all. While I'll admit I had some doubts about him making this when he was first announced to direct, I feel he's a better fit for it than he was for Star Trek. Star Trek was always more about science and exploration, and he seems to be better at delivering on action. He also has quite a knack for mimicking the feel of certain period adventure movies (case in point, Super 8) so I actually suspected some time ago he'd go for a much more classical approach to these. That puppet gives me hope for the future of Star Wars as a movie franchise.

So give me something with thought, knowledge, and care put into it and I'll be happy be it puppet or CGI

So all three prequals are out then, I take it?

I fully expect to leave the theatre after VII talking about all the cool high paced action scenes and how it felt like the original trilogy only to realize that nobody can remember if there was an actual plot. JJ has done it before.

I… think I'd be okay with this.

I fully expect to leave the theatre after VII talking about all the cool high paced action scenes and how it felt like the original trilogy only to realize that nobody can remember if there was an actual plot. JJ has done it before.

I… think I'd be okay with this.

hehe, me too. It is the best I can hope for. I'd love to see a bit of plot but my biggest hope is that it feels/looks like the originals. Star Wars universe is not all neat and tidy. We have to be able to see the wires and dirt.

I actually have faith that JJ will capture that gritty future that Star Wars is known for. He would be a fool not to, and he admitted to being a Star Wars fan far more so than a Star Trek growing up. Just seeing that clip eludes to so much.

1) He's using costumes and puppets. Even if this is in addition to CGI, characters will actually be talking to one another face to face (or face to snout or beak depending on what creature you're dealing with) instead of being in different green screen rooms. This will add to the acting level, IMO.

2) His vision includes some of that gritty technology that we all know and love. Look at the sets and that creature lumbering by. None of the EP I tatooine scenes looked or felt as genuine as that fifteen second clip.

3) With the prequels being so awful - there's nowhere to go but up, right?!

PS - Mistborn Trilogy and Alloy of Law are great books, very Jedi-esk. I preferred the lightsaber battles in the original trilogies better. They were more about a force of will than a physical battle. There was always taking, conflict, drama instead of just silent fighting with flips and fancyness.

I have faith in JJ that he'll do the new movies right and not make them silly like his Star Trek movies. The big difference with him is that he is a huge Star Wars fan.

I fully expect to leave the theatre after VII talking about all the cool high paced action scenes and how it felt like the original trilogy only to realize that nobody can remember if there was an actual plot. JJ has done it before.

That is what I'm hoping for and after watching it again, I'm hoping a bit more plot sticks, then when it comes out on DVD and I watch it on my smaller screen at home even more plot sticks, if it gets to 5 screenings and their still isn't one then I will start becoming worried