So, I paged through as much of this as I could since when it appeared the book got released at GC, but I haven't seen any information on when/how lightsabers are provided to characters. Are they bequeathed as starting gear per RAW, or are they acquired by some means later?

Thanks.

The book Dark Plagueis , which is about Palpatine's training and his Master, is very heavily about using the Force to bring people back to life.

I haven't read it, but again, it's not cannon and it doesn't seem to be echoed by anything in the cannon sources.

"He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying"

- Palpatine, Revenge of the Sith.

Depending on how you interpret the scene, Obi-Wan may have done some healing on Luke,after scaring the aand people away. Don't think he resurrected him but he may have done some serius healing if Luke had a concussion.

Yes. I think back in WEG days this was the justification for the healing powers.

After the prequels came out, I reinterpreted the scene. Obi-Wan leaned Force Healing after the duel on Naboo. If he had known it then, Qui-Gon might have lived.

The book Dark Plagueis , which is about Palpatine's training and his Master, is very heavily about using the Force to bring people back to life.

I haven't read it, but again, it's not cannon and it doesn't seem to be echoed by anything in the cannon sources.

I had my doubts, but the novel Darth Plagueis is pretty well done. It is definitely an atypical take on a Sith Lord, and it is interesting to see the contrasts with Palpatine becoming Darth Sidious. The BBEG's plot even makes sense, from a certain point of view.

On the other hand you could see that healing power like an enhaced cpr that restarts the heart, as it requires to be used very shortly after the death of the player. And i totally see yoda do that "die you will not" thing, during a battle or immediately after.

Well I've just never seen a Jedi ever heal anyone in the movies or (that I can recall) in TCW. And those are the two sources for me. I don't even know who this "Cade Skywalker" is that was mentioned though I can pretty much work out they're Luke's offspring. Or conceivably Leia's (though I hope not both unless something happened before Obi Wan's ghost spilled the beans). But if Cade is not in the movies or TCW then presumably they're not official anyway. So it's just a bit out of nowhere to read about a resurrection power.

I can see a kind of immediate CPR level healing, maybe. But I don't see it of much help when someone has just been blasted. And what is this "vampire" version? Perhaps I should take this one off to a seperate thread if it's contentious.

I've said it before, if you're going to limit yourself to the movies & TCW, you're going to have a very restricted pool of background to draw from. This game seems pretty firmly rooted in "Legends" continuity. It's your game, so your rules, and a pure canon game is certainly possible. But you have to throw out a lot of info from the core books released so far!

And don't, whatever you do, book passage on a "Corellian Corvette" as it doesn't exist in canon

We posted at the same time. I don't care about some ship names or planets. I've never read any of the EU stuff and didn't know it existed until reading these forums. I'm not a big Star Wars fan - I just really like this game and its rules so I wont know the difference between a ship that was made for this game or if it were taken from the EU. But something like Jedi having Cleric abilities is different because it's completely new to me in a way that some planet I haven't heard of isn't.

So, I paged through as much of this as I could since when it appeared the book got released at GC, but I haven't seen any information on when/how lightsabers are provided to characters. Are they bequeathed as starting gear per RAW, or are they acquired by some means later?

Thanks.

No specific mention on how to acquire them, no. If you have a living mentor they might bequeath you one sure. The book does say that by the time the players accumulate around 150XP they should have their first lightsaber—purchased, found, made, given, etc.

-EF

On the other hand you could see that healing power like an enhaced cpr that restarts the heart, as it requires to be used very shortly after the death of the player. And i totally see yoda do that "die you will not" thing, during a battle or immediately after.

Well I've just never seen a Jedi ever heal anyone in the movies or (that I can recall) in TCW. And those are the two sources for me. I don't even know who this "Cade Skywalker" is that was mentioned though I can pretty much work out they're Luke's offspring. Or conceivably Leia's (though I hope not both unless something happened before Obi Wan's ghost spilled the beans). But if Cade is not in the movies or TCW then presumably they're not official anyway. So it's just a bit out of nowhere to read about a resurrection power.

I can see a kind of immediate CPR level healing, maybe. But I don't see it of much help when someone has just been blasted. And what is this "vampire" version? Perhaps I should take this one off to a seperate thread if it's contentious.

I've said it before, if you're going to limit yourself to the movies & TCW, you're going to have a very restricted pool of background to draw from. This game seems pretty firmly rooted in "Legends" continuity. It's your game, so your rules, and a pure canon game is certainly possible. But you have to throw out a lot of info from the core books released so far!

And don't, whatever you do, book passage on a "Corellian Corvette" as it doesn't exist in canon

We posted at the same time. I don't care about some ship names or planets. I've never read any of the EU stuff and didn't know it existed until reading these forums. I'm not a big Star Wars fan - I just really like this game and its rules so I wont know the difference between a ship that was made for this game or if it were taken from the EU. But something like Jedi having Cleric abilities is different because it's completely new to me in a way that some planet I haven't heard of isn't.

Well then that's personal preference, and that's fine - just don't use it if you don't like it.

There's plenty of other stuff in these books not in the films and taken from EU - probably 75% of the 'fluff' in fact. If you don't like certain aspects that's cool, but you can't really roll out the "that's not in the films" argument only for the things you don't agree with whilst accepting everything else. Just use what works for you.

So, I paged through as much of this as I could since when it appeared the book got released at GC, but I haven't seen any information on when/how lightsabers are provided to characters. Are they bequeathed as starting gear per RAW, or are they acquired by some means later?

Thanks.

Well crystaless saber hits can be built just by buying the parts to make it. Its the crystal that's the kicker, though the changes to the base saber make it a much more manageable weapon earlier in the campaign.

So, I paged through as much of this as I could since when it appeared the book got released at GC, but I haven't seen any information on when/how lightsabers are provided to characters. Are they bequeathed as starting gear per RAW, or are they acquired by some means later?

Thanks.

Well crystaless saber hits can be built just by buying the parts to make it. Its the crystal that's the kicker, though the changes to the base saber make it a much more manageable weapon earlier in the campaign.

Considering the base hilt costs 300-500 credits, it's cheap to get the hilt. The crystals are 9K+ O_O

Good luck with getting one!

-EF

On the other hand you could see that healing power like an enhaced cpr that restarts the heart, as it requires to be used very shortly after the death of the player. And i totally see yoda do that "die you will not" thing, during a battle or immediately after.

Well I've just never seen a Jedi ever heal anyone in the movies or (that I can recall) in TCW. And those are the two sources for me. I don't even know who this "Cade Skywalker" is that was mentioned though I can pretty much work out they're Luke's offspring. Or conceivably Leia's (though I hope not both unless something happened before Obi Wan's ghost spilled the beans). But if Cade is not in the movies or TCW then presumably they're not official anyway. So it's just a bit out of nowhere to read about a resurrection power.

I can see a kind of immediate CPR level healing, maybe. But I don't see it of much help when someone has just been blasted. And what is this "vampire" version? Perhaps I should take this one off to a seperate thread if it's contentious.

I've said it before, if you're going to limit yourself to the movies & TCW, you're going to have a very restricted pool of background to draw from. This game seems pretty firmly rooted in "Legends" continuity. It's your game, so your rules, and a pure canon game is certainly possible. But you have to throw out a lot of info from the core books released so far!

And don't, whatever you do, book passage on a "Corellian Corvette" as it doesn't exist in canon

We posted at the same time. I don't care about some ship names or planets. I've never read any of the EU stuff and didn't know it existed until reading these forums. I'm not a big Star Wars fan - I just really like this game and its rules so I wont know the difference between a ship that was made for this game or if it were taken from the EU. But something like Jedi having Cleric abilities is different because it's completely new to me in a way that some planet I haven't heard of isn't.

Well then that's personal preference, and that's fine - just don't use it if you don't like it.

There's plenty of other stuff in these books not in the films and taken from EU - probably 75% of the 'fluff' in fact. If you don't like certain aspects that's cool, but you can't really roll out the "that's not in the films" argument only for the things you don't agree with whilst accepting everything else. Just use what works for you.

There's a misunderstanding here. I'm not "rolling out an argument" that other people should or shouldn't have this. I'm just (initially) expressing my great surprise at a completely unexpected addition to Jedi powers. I guess I then went onto justifying that based on posts that (at least to me) seemed to be suggesting it's normal or known. They don't show up in any of the canon material beyond a line by Palpatine claiming that someone not even in the movie could prevent people from dying when he has every reason to lie to Anakin and is in the habit of doing so. So sure, there's nothing to say they can't. And I'm certainly not saying that people shouldn't play with what they want. I'm just saying my reaction to Obi Wan the Level 8 Cleric is fairly reasonable and that something's existence in non-canon sources isn't a particular reason to include something. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying a reaction of "What the...?" is pretty fair.

Anyway, this is polluting a thread on what I think is an awesome product from whatever I heard, so I think perhaps get back to everyone going "Oooooh" and barraging the poor play-testers with questions.

So, I paged through as much of this as I could since when it appeared the book got released at GC, but I haven't seen any information on when/how lightsabers are provided to characters. Are they bequeathed as starting gear per RAW, or are they acquired by some means later?

Thanks.

Your call as the GM.

@knasseril fair enough, I'll drop it . Misunderstandings all round methinks.

Considering the base hilt costs 300-500 credits, it's cheap to get the hilt. The crystals are 9K+ O_O

Good luck with getting one!

-EF

Don't mean a thing if it ain't got that bling. I wonder if Jedi propose by giving a ring with a Kyber crystal in it instead of diamond.

"Honey - where's your ring?"

"Well, I got ambushed by wookies on the way here and well, I had to jury-rig a weapon and..."

@knasseril fair enough, I'll drop it . Misunderstandings all round methinks.

No problem. I think I actually was starting to shift from defensive to strident by that last post so all for the best. Enthusiasm leads to cannon debates. Cannon debates lead to anger. Anger leads to the Dark Side...

Peace and coolness.

K.

Your call as the GM.

Well crystaless saber hits can be built just by buying the parts to make it. Its the crystal that's the kicker, though the changes to the base saber make it a much more manageable weapon earlier in the campaign.

Considering the base hilt costs 300-500 credits, it's cheap to get the hilt. The crystals are 9K+ O_O

Good luck with getting one!

-EF

No specific mention on how to acquire them, no. If you have a living mentor they might bequeath you one sure. The book does say that by the time the players accumulate around 150XP they should have their first lightsaber—purchased, found, made, given, etc.

-EF

Thanks for the responses. It sounds like it's handled well and at the GM's discretion. Some other posts make it sound like there are good, stock rules to make the 'saber pretty customizable.

There are rules for scratch building one essentially.

Thanks for the responses. It sounds like it's handled well and at the GM's discretion. Some other posts make it sound like there are good, stock rules to make the 'saber pretty customizable.

There are a total of 8 crystals—plus the "training emitter" that does stun damage—to customize your 'saber with. Add that to the different hilt types: curved hit for fencing (auto advantage when 1-on-1), dual-phase modification (once per scene ignore opponent's melee defense), extended hilt (+1 damage), and superior hilt (grants Superior quality) you can do a lot with your 'saber. Oh, and the various hilts have 3-5 HP, depending on model.

The cheapest crystal is the Ilum at 9k, base damage of 6, crit of 2, and breach 1/sunder qualities. You can mod it to do up to 10 damage, reduce the crit to 1, and give it up to vicious 2 (does that look familiar?).

-EF

"plus the "training emitter" that does stunt damage"

Is that like when Ray Park got his knuckles whacked training with Ewen McGregor?

"plus the "training emitter" that does stunt damage"

Is that like when Ray Park got his knuckles whacked training with Ewen McGregor?

Fixed, thanks!

-EF

Can anyone discuss the demo they ran at GenCon based on this Beta?

I thought someone said a training saber was cheap enough to get at char gen?

i have read elsewhere that at the end of the starting adventure the players, if they are curious, can find a crystal cave and get a lightsaber crystal. if you combine that with an hilt that costs between 300 and 500 credits to build, i think you can have basic saber by the second or third adventure.

The thrust is to get F&D people Lightsabers. Whether you game it in the first couple sessions, or you just hand them out, the intent isn't to deprive F&D characters of one for months of game sessions. You can if you choose to but it just seems mean to me. A F&D character starting out with at most 2 ranks of skill, maybe a 5 in their attribute, is not going to be a world ender anymore than a BH with a HBR is. They're just going to be good, and very narrowly focused as well.

Some of these unique Force talents and the new powers are so neat, I just wouldn't waste all my xp on the Lightsaber personally.

I thought someone said a training saber was cheap enough to get at char gen?

It is. 300CR-500CR for the hilt, and 300CR for the emitter. That's only 600CR at the cheapest. Training emitter is Damage 6, no crit, stun damage quality. No mod options.

-EF

Yes EF, but i'f i'm not mistaken without the crystal, the rest is useless. I mean it does no damage whatsoever. So the crystal is a vital component. Luckily even the starting adventure lets you find one.