So i was thinking more of a generic career like force-user would be more inline.remember the Je'daii Order was originally formed as a philosophical study group situated on the planet Tython, a monastic order not a occupation

I have to agree with you Tenchi2A.

As FFG has named thus far Force users, Force Sensitive Exile/Emergent not Jedi Exile/Emergent, I, at least, think they might name possibly coming Careers more like Force User Guardian/Sentinel than just Jedi Guardian/Sentinel.

Well at least I hope they make it like that as I might want to make Dathomirian Nightsister and I don't think she has been raised as Jedi.

my thoughts on the Jedi progression are

career: force-user (or something cooler sounding) starting skills: discipline,melee,brawl,athletics,cool,resilience,knowledge(lore)perception. gain force ranking 1

1st specialty:Initiate,padawan(lightsaber being here)

2nd:force warrior,acolyte,mystic,force scholar

3rd:knight,priest,seer,etc

4th:master,lord,high priest,oracle,etc

all after the first level requiring progressively higher force ranking

now if we go by this model and follow the basic guidelines the other 2 book have set we could have up to 19 force specialty which is more then enough to cover most important aspects of the force (from a PC point of view )

more then enough to cover most impotent aspects of the force (from a PC point of view )

@ Tenchi2a

Did you mean Important

yes thank you

i hate auto correct lol

now i would think the specialties would give bonuses to existing force powers and skills

seer-discipline,foresee

force warrior-lightsaber/melee,enhance

priest-some type of healing power,first aid

etc.

now with this as a template i give you (they have alot but they are the more powerful PCs in their time)

Anakin: career: explorer/ fringer,padawan,force warrior,squadron leader,knight,and as Vader:lord

Yoda: career: force-user/ padawan,force warrior,knight,scholar,seer,oracle,master (could have muti commander trees)

Obi-Wan: career: force-user/ padawan,force warrior,knight,master,ambassador,tactician

Lord Sidious: diplomat or force-user/ Initiate,force warrior,acolyte,knight,seer,lord,oracle,ambassador,agitator(and many more)

what do you think

P.S. i would toy with the idea that force-user also allows you to chose one no-career specialty as if it was a career tree?

Being a jedi is a philosophy. Not a career and set of abilities. So no I don't think they will do a Jedi career. In fact I am pretty sure they won't. They do not bow to the masses. They do what is best for the game. Whiners be damned.

to put it another way starting characters are starting characters. If you want a full fledged Jedi you are going to have to convince the GM to give you more starting points.

Being a Jedi is a set of philosphies. Not a set of skills or abilities. Your character is a Jedi because they follow the code and way of thinking. Every Jedi i have ever seen in any of the books had different things they were good at. Some were good pilots. Others were good mechanics, others were good diplomats, duelists, scholars, etc. you cannot fit that in a career. The better way to handle that reality in this system is they way they have handled it in the past. Career with force using universal specialization. You can make perfectly functional jedi now up to a force rating of 3. Which is pretty good.

Being a jedi is a philosophy. Not a career and set of abilities. So no I don't think they will do a Jedi career. In fact I am pretty sure they won't. They do not bow to the masses. They do what is best for the game. Whiners be damned.

Same can be said for being a Bounty Hunter.

But the problem with your argument is that being a Jedi does entail a certain set of abilities, foremost of which is proficiency with a lightsaber and the ability to parry/reflect blaster fire, which FFG handles by way of a career and specialization system.

You are right that the FFG design team will try to do what they feel is best for the game. But since Force and Destiny had it's core elements designed right alongside the core elements of EotE and AoR, they've also got a pretty solid idea of what this game system is going to be and what's going to best for the game system overall as well as just for Force and Destiny.

in a couple of weeks, I guess we'll see who's right and who's wrong.

Being a jedi is a philosophy. Not a career and set of abilities.

Depends on the timeframe. Post TCW you're right, there's no "job", infrastructure, training system, etc. Luke, even post E6, would have only been able to compare with previous Jedi in the martial, ethics, and discipline areas. His mundane knowledge (history, diplomacy, etc) was sorely lacking. All "Jedi" from that period are something else first.

Pre TCW it does conform more to a career. It's lifetime service, with titles bestowed based on minimum requirements, plus trial-passing, plus a broad range of competency in mundane skills.

I could see it going either way, or even a mix, and that's all fine with me.

My guess is that out of the (presumably) six careers in F&D, at least 2 or 3 will be Force-using careers like Jedi or Sith. It's possible that all of them will, but I suspect that they'll keep at least a couple of careers as non-Force users for those who buy the game standalone and don't want to play Force-users.

I also suspect (or wildly theorize, take your pick) that any Force career will have perhaps two talent trees with "Force user only"-abilities the way FSEx and FSEm have, and perhaps one "neutral" one, like "Jedi pilot" or something like that. Again, so that people who play it stand-alone can have some options for the non-Force users.

But yeah, it's like people are saying: soon we'll have the beta and will know for sure. I'm certainly a lot more psyched about getting the F&D beta than I was for the AoR beta. I hope I'll be able to land one. (Incidentially, to those who have done this before - where can I get a beta copy if I'm not at GenCon? Do FFG sell them from their online store?)

Krieger22,

FFG has traditionally sold the Beta books for EotE and AoR on their online store. The only catch is that you may have to wait a few weeks from when you place your order as a lot of folks did regarding the AoR Beta.

That said, I know a lot of folks (myself included) are assuming that FFG will have the Force and Destiny Beta for sale at GenCon. But we're less than two weeks out from the big show, and there's not been a peep about said book. The Age of Rebellion Beta was announced in July, not too long after the EotE core rulebook got released. Hoping it's just a case of FFG wanting to wait to reveal the news and create a buzz for the product closer to GenCon.

Not to mention the content is something that has been begged for since the EotE beta. Even without much advanced marketing this thing is prolly gonna sell out in no time.

(Incidentially, to those who have done this before - where can I get a beta copy if I'm not at GenCon? Do FFG sell them from their online store?)

You can buy them directly from the FFG Webstore, though depending on where you live and how slow FFG is at getting them shipped out, you may be able to get them more quickly by purchasing them from a local retailer or at a discount through a place like Miniature Market .

The Age of Rebellion Beta was announced in July, not too long after the EotE core rulebook got released.

The Age of Rebellion beta was announced in August , immediately before GenCon 2013, and the Edge of the Empire beta was also announced in August , immediately before GenCon 2012.

The Age of Rebellion Beta was announced in July, not too long after the EotE core rulebook got released.

The Age of Rebellion beta was announced in August , immediately before GenCon 2013, and the Edge of the Empire beta was also announced in August , immediately before GenCon 2012.

Fair enough about the AoR Beta, but the EotE Beta (and FFG having the license) was actually announced at GenCon during their In Flight Report seminar. I remember this due to comments from GM Chris, GM Dave, and Sterling Hershey being surprised not only at the RPG announcement, but that everyone that was attending that year's seminar got a free copy of the Beta.

[ snip ] the EotE Beta (and FFG having the license) was actually announced at GenCon during their In Flight Report seminar.

You are correct on that point. My mistake.

Based on the pattern established by the previous two years, I suspect we'll see an announcement this Friday, (August 8th) or possibly (though less likely) next Friday, August 15th. This is, of course, purely speculative on my part.

A Gentleman from the tiny FFG nook at SDCC said that they were looking to have the Beta book for GenCon.

A Gentleman from the tiny FFG nook at SDCC said that they were looking to have the Beta book for GenCon.

Where the heck were they? I walked down to the LucasArts area although I admit I didn't look too closely and I didn't walk the floor as much this year, was too busy in the booth.

A Gentleman from the tiny FFG nook at SDCC said that they were looking to have the Beta book for GenCon.

Where the heck were they? I walked down to the LucasArts area although I admit I didn't look too closely and I didn't walk the floor as much this year, was too busy in the booth.

Going from Joraan's post, probably tucked away in some remote corner of the floor, and likely not attached to any of the Lucas-related areas. After all, SDCC isn't really a "gaming" convention, so it's probably not a high priority for FFG to have a major presence there, particularly given their rather huge presence at GenCon.

Still, good to get a more recent confirmation that the FaD Beta is planned for GenCon.

So ...I am assuming they might bring more copies than they did in previous GenCons given the interest?

They even went as far as having pre-gens supplied with the Age of Rebellion Beta so same again with Force & Destiny perhaps?

Would make it quicker to get a game started I don't recall them posting games from Gen Con online since Edge of the Empire was released and I think some of that was due to the Order 66 podcast?

EDIT: Sigh my spelling is getting worse!

2P51 - It literally was right off the isle, in the path leading to the clothing and on the edge of the full size Rebel character mock-ups. They dedicated a 5' x 5' square to them and a small glass case. Most of the space was an X-Wing game with a Death Star Board.

Thanks. I really only walked maybe half n hour total and didn't find much but wasn't looking real hard either.

I'm new to the game and am seriously considering trying to chase down copies of the first two betas, mostly for the adventures contained therein. Are they available (legally, of course) any other way? Anyone else go back and get the betas post-release and was it worth doing? Very likely to do the F&D beta.

I'd agree that starting advanced characters getting an XP boost (everyone at the table) is ideal.

My main point is that I don't see why a workable standard starting character Jedi is out of the question.

Define that? Cause you can to some extent now depending on your definition

To be more specific: Start play as a force user that has as much of the flavor and ability of the Jedi as is reasonable in a stock starting character: a lightsaber and the skill to use it, FR: 1 (which also comes with the option to buy into force powers), immediate access to Talents that are Jedi focused (like the Ataru Talent an NPC has in a FFG Star Wars supplement), etc.

I'm new to the game and am seriously considering trying to chase down copies of the first two betas, mostly for the adventures contained therein. Are they available (legally, of course) any other way? Anyone else go back and get the betas post-release and was it worth doing? Very likely to do the F&D beta.

EDIT: also, legality shouldn't be a real issue when procuring a copy...they weren't recalled or anything, and there was no NDA associated with the Beta. They're just previously published material that FFG isn't going to be reprinting, so as long as you purchase or someone gives it to you, should be all OK

EDIT: also, legality shouldn't be a real issue when procuring a copy...they weren't recalled or anything, and there was no NDA associated with the Beta. They're just previously published material that FFG isn't going to be reprinting, so as long as you purchase or someone gives it to you, should be all OK

I don't think he's concerned about the legality of buying one aftermarket so much as he's referring to the common practice of pirating gaming materials that are difficult or impossible to find through "legitimate" means. He wants to know if it's possible to find the adventures contained in the betas without having to download a scanned copy that someone threw up on the internet.

To answer his question: No. The only (non-pirate) way to get your hands on those modules (at this point) is to track down copies of the respective beta.