Looking at the lightsaber focused specs i noticed that Niman disciple is the only one that has the +1 FR talent, while all the others lack it. I'd like to ask the playtester why?

I understand that the balance has been set so that you either are good with the Force and lousy with the lightsaber or good with the saber and lousy with Force powers unless/until you have a ton of xp to sink into multiclassing, but then why does a lightsaber style gets preferential treatment? It almost feels like they are encouraging people to get that particular style if they want to be competent fighters and have a decent chance to use their powers.

Looking at the lightsaber focused specs i noticed that Niman disciple is the only one that has the +1 FR talent, while all the others lack it. I'd like to ask the playtester why?

We are not allowed to discuss why things are as they appear in the Beta (we can't discuss what was changed in the Alpha), but Beta test it and report to FFG how it works out.

One of the players REALLY likes the Mastery power that lets you kill someone using the Force and resurrect someone else!

Wait! What!!?? I'm only familiar with TCW and the films, but since when are Jedi resurrecting people? I suppose the Dathomir witches were doing some spooky stuff a bit like that so is it to represent them? It just seems a bit out of nowhere that Yoda would go "Die, you will not" and resurrect someone with a wave of his little green claw. Or any Jedi, in fact.

"Is it possible to learn this power?"

"Not from a Jedi..."

This kind of power is a bit of an unnatural thing; it would be considered an aberration by your average Jedi. After all, "There is no death; there is the Force." And Yoda: "luminous beings we are, not this crude matter."

I apologise in advance for being dumb, but unless your character starts off with a F&D career to be able to qualify if you chose from AoR or Edge of the Empire you would need to buy the Force Sensitive and then you would be able to purchase a F&D career?

Although it will be at least a long month before I'll be able to buy a copy I'm already thinking up a character even if I don't understand how the force powers work or Duty and lets leave Morality on the side for the moment okay?

So just for the hell of it have a character whose family were more or less on the outer edges of the Jedi Order through the Clone Wars, she was being trained by her Great Aunt when she was killed roughly 15 years ago and she fell in with a bad crowd well obviously not as bad as the Empire since she lived literally on the Edge.

Is aware of the Rebellion, but if I ever got to run her she would be either mercenary or smuggler I keep picturing Firefly for some reason although not married unlike that character!

Picture her wielding a training sabre and some remotes ala A New Hope so she would be training to be able to use a light sabre just doesn't start off with one nor goes around wielding them (Training Sabre) unless things get really desperate.

So one of the new careers with an additional career speciality from the Edge book, add +1 to Willpower had thought about doing the same to Agility but by my count that's 60xp already spent and I figure maybe 1 or 2 force powers with a couple of talents with the rest spent on skills.

Throwing in Obligation still toying around that she had a heirloom weapon left to her by her father which was some kind of antique gun but it was stolen by someone she considered a friend whose now a rival and whilst she passionately hates his guts for what he did I keep picturing him as Peter Quill except more of a moron because he doesn't think things through and genuinely likes her and has been left feeling stunned that she'd rather he dropped dead.

Other part was that the group they both once belonged to stopped her from killing him so she left them and whilst their leader has come to understand just why she did what she did he's had to intervene on the very few occasions they've crossed paths.

So her father is a Mercenary with Imperial links, his father taught him as he was a former Jedi who left the order because of their code against attachments namely he was briefly married and his wife left him shortly after giving birth to their son and subsequently disappeared with no one knowing what happened to her.

The family has Jedi ancestry and by that I mean both sides of that balance, her father was a darksider who was turned back to the light by her Great Aunt (mostly with the aid of the Gibbs Slap ) he left to rebuild his shattered life leaving his daughter with his Aunt as he wasn't quite free of his Darkside taint.

Her Great Aunt was hunted down and killed by an Inquisitor leaving her undiscovered resulting in her being recruited into a crime gang that led to her eventual career.

Going too far again anyway any of you care to discuss what characters you've come up with?

especially those who do have the new Beta?

On the other hand you could see that healing power like an enhaced cpr that restarts the heart, as it requires to be used very shortly after the death of the player. And i totally see yoda do that "die you will not" thing, during a battle or immediately after.

On the other hand you could see that healing power like an enhaced cpr that restarts the heart, as it requires to be used very shortly after the death of the player. And i totally see yoda do that "die you will not" thing, during a battle or immediately after.

Well I've just never seen a Jedi ever heal anyone in the movies or (that I can recall) in TCW. And those are the two sources for me. I don't even know who this "Cade Skywalker" is that was mentioned though I can pretty much work out they're Luke's offspring. Or conceivably Leia's (though I hope not both unless something happened before Obi Wan's ghost spilled the beans). But if Cade is not in the movies or TCW then presumably they're not official anyway. So it's just a bit out of nowhere to read about a resurrection power.

I can see a kind of immediate CPR level healing, maybe. But I don't see it of much help when someone has just been blasted. And what is this "vampire" version? Perhaps I should take this one off to a seperate thread if it's contentious.

On the other hand you could see that healing power like an enhaced cpr that restarts the heart, as it requires to be used very shortly after the death of the player. And i totally see yoda do that "die you will not" thing, during a battle or immediately after.

Well I've just never seen a Jedi ever heal anyone in the movies or (that I can recall) in TCW. And those are the two sources for me. I don't even know who this "Cade Skywalker" is that was mentioned though I can pretty much work out they're Luke's offspring. Or conceivably Leia's (though I hope not both unless something happened before Obi Wan's ghost spilled the beans). But if Cade is not in the movies or TCW then presumably they're not official anyway. So it's just a bit out of nowhere to read about a resurrection power.

I can see a kind of immediate CPR level healing, maybe. But I don't see it of much help when someone has just been blasted. And what is this "vampire" version? Perhaps I should take this one off to a seperate thread if it's contentious.

Ok I just woke up and my mind is still a little fuzzy, but I seem to remember Anakin Skywalker using the remaining lifeforce from someone to resurrect someone else during that whole crazy The Ones arc in the Clone Wars. I wanna say it was Daughter and Asoka. Kinda funny that it was the dark side of the power too.

With the protection/unleash are you able to use either power at any given time or do u have to be light to use protection ect?

On the other hand you could see that healing power like an enhaced cpr that restarts the heart, as it requires to be used very shortly after the death of the player. And i totally see yoda do that "die you will not" thing, during a battle or immediately after.

Well I've just never seen a Jedi ever heal anyone in the movies or (that I can recall) in TCW. And those are the two sources for me. I don't even know who this "Cade Skywalker" is that was mentioned though I can pretty much work out they're Luke's offspring. Or conceivably Leia's (though I hope not both unless something happened before Obi Wan's ghost spilled the beans). But if Cade is not in the movies or TCW then presumably they're not official anyway. So it's just a bit out of nowhere to read about a resurrection power.

I can see a kind of immediate CPR level healing, maybe. But I don't see it of much help when someone has just been blasted. And what is this "vampire" version? Perhaps I should take this one off to a seperate thread if it's contentious.

Ok I just woke up and my mind is still a little fuzzy, but I seem to remember Anakin Skywalker using the remaining lifeforce from someone to resurrect someone else during that whole crazy The Ones arc in the Clone Wars. I wanna say it was Daughter and Asoka. Kinda funny that it was the dark side of the power too.

Oh yeah, there was some weird stuff going on there. Of course they were practically in the afterlife on that planet. I guess I'll need to see the actual rules for it and how hard it is to get to. I would find it rather against the flavour to have a "cleric" in the party.

I have now seen the rules for Morality and I really like it. Though it makes me think Anakin must have hit the 97-00 result (roll twice more) several times. He's got about four of the Emotional Strength / Weakness results on there. Maybe that's why he was so powerful in the Force.

Going too far again anyway any of you care to discuss what characters you've come up with?

especially those who do have the new Beta?

Probably need as separate thread for this, really.

Heck, we really need a new F&D Forum at this point!

Anyway, first concepts, most of which need ironing out, but five of the players have made characters (bearing in mind our game has a different set-up where the Jedi are the antagonists:

- Former Jedi Consular, disgusted by the genocide of the Vong and the willingness to enlighten the galaxy at the point of a lightsaber. Wishes to teach a new order that's more in keeping with the Jedi of old.

- Togruta Sentinel, who left the Jedi when they started 're-educating' tribal Traditions to teach them their 'One True Way'

- Zabrak Seeker - a force-sensitive explorer, in love with the party mentor and who cares more about the man than his message

- Human Mystic, a wise woman from one of the tribes the Jedi 're-educated'

- Mirialan Guardian, a former police officer when her powers manifested and narrowly escaped the Jedi Inquisitors. Rescued and trained as a jedi by Lucas Lars, as he had himself once been trained in the career by Ben.

The adventures I've had in mind are mostly quite subtle, undercover ones: finding force-sensitive artifacts and temples before the Jedi can, supporting independent force Traditions before they get wiped out by the Empire or 're-educated' by the Jedi Confederacy, trying to aid the Alliance without getting hopelessly caught up its military traditions. And an over-arching goal in support of their mentor - 'bang everyone's heads together until they are working for a saner, war-free galaxy'.

Depending on how you interpret the scene, Obi-Wan may have done some healing on Luke,after scaring the aand people away. Don't think he resurrected him but he may have done some serius healing if Luke had a concussion.

Oh and im pretty sure Palpatine did some healing on darth vader before/while he ws being transported to the surgery unit. If a sith can do it i se no reason why a jedi can't.

The vampire version is the dark side aplication of the healing power:you use the life force of a recently killed character to resurect a player.

Maelora, did you change the Vong motivations too? Because if they are as described in the books, genocide isn't such a bad idea

Depending on how you interpret the scene, Obi-Wan may have done some healing on Luke,after scaring the aand people away. Don't think he resurrected him but he may have done some serius healing if Luke had a concussion.

Oh and im pretty sure Palpatine did some healing on darth vader before/while he ws being transported to the surgery unit. If a sith can do it i se no reason why a jedi can't.

The vampire version is the dark side aplication of the healing power:you use the life force of a recently killed character to resurect a player.

For the Sand People one, do you mean where Luke is lying unconscious and looking generally fine where Obi Wan walks up and says he'll be fine? (or words to that effect). It never once occurred to me that was magic healing any more than any other scene in an action movie where someone gets knocked out and then comes round. And I don't recall any scene where Palpatine heals Anakin. As I recall, it just skips straight to the surgery scene.

I think i saw a screenshot of him standing over darth vader on mustafar, but maybe it was cut in the final editing.

Anyway i think ffg is free to reinterpret the lore if they need it for the game. And i'm pretty sure Lucasfilm approved the book, so it's not that lore breaking in my opinion.

As has already been seen with the inclusion of the Force Unlsashed background stuff, FFG does have some latitude on what they include. And if it makes for a better game, great. If its not for you, drop it.

As has already been seen with the inclusion of the Force Unlsashed background stuff, FFG does have some latitude on what they include. And if it makes for a better game, great. If its not for you, drop it.

You said the before, but offhand I'm not sure what you are referring to.

As has already been seen with the inclusion of the Force Unlsashed background stuff, FFG does have some latitude on what they include. And if it makes for a better game, great. If its not for you, drop it.

You said the before, but offhand I'm not sure what you are referring to.

In a section of the Age of Rebellion Core Rulebook that deals with the history of the Alliance to Restore the Republic, there's an abridged version of the events from The Force Unleashed.

Edit: Page 386. A lot of people were surprised to see that bit of lore included, because The Force Unleashed had been specifically called out by people in Lucasfilm as "Non-Canon," even before the Purge.

Looking at the lightsaber focused specs i noticed that Niman disciple is the only one that has the +1 FR talent, while all the others lack it. I'd like to ask the playtester why?

I understand that the balance has been set so that you either are good with the Force and lousy with the lightsaber or good with the saber and lousy with Force powers unless/until you have a ton of xp to sink into multiclassing, but then why does a lightsaber style gets preferential treatment? It almost feels like they are encouraging people to get that particular style if they want to be competent fighters and have a decent chance to use their powers.

Not a playtester, so I can say whatever I want. The lore for Niman (Form VI) style is supposed to incorporate Force attacks, specifically telekinetic shoves and strikes. That's why it has talents like Draw Closer and Force Assault. So +1 FR is totally consistent with it being the most Force-power-centric of the styles.

The book Dark Plagueis , which is about Palpatine's training and his Master, is very heavily about using the Force to bring people back to life.

A Force-sensitive character is any character with a Force rating of 1 or higher. A character must

be Force-sensitive to select certain specialization trees and particular talents . In addition, certain talents and abilities may affect Force-sensitive characters in different ways than they affect characters who do not have a Force rating. There are some abilities that only affect Force-sensitive characters, and there are others to which Force-sensitives are effectively immune. When this is the case, it is noted in the description of the talent or ability in question.

Becoming Force-Sensitive

Generally, Player Characters using a career from Force and Destiny do not need to become Force-sensitive, since they start that way. A Player Character who uses one of Force and Destiny’s six careers gains Force rating 1 as a starting ability.

If a PC does not begin play with Force rating 1 (this generally will only happen if the player selects a career from Age of Rebellion or Edge of the Empire), the character will need to take one of the Force-sensitive universal specializations in those books to gain Force rating 1 and become a Force-sensitive.

The part I bolded above is incorrect. You do not need to be Force Sensitive to purchase the Specializations in FaD, nor to purchase F-S marked talents. However, you cannot use F-S marked talents without being Force Sensitive.

As an example, I noted in a thread on the EotE board that a Colonist (Marshal) can benefit greatly from the Peacekeeper specialization even without having a Force Rating.

It's actually a direct quote from the book (page194)…so as soon as we have a F&D forum *cough cough* we can bring up that inconsistency for review.

If only we had a dedicated F&D forum…

-EF

Thanks Lorne it does make sense. I like that they gave each style it's flavor based on the lore, like makashi having the most parries as it's the duelling style, and ataru having lots of attacks because it is acrobatic and agility based.

With the protection/unleash are you able to use either power at any given time or do u have to be light to use protection ect?

You can use either part at any time, but using unleash gives you 1 Conflict each time you use it.

-EF

Maelora, did you change the Vong motivations too? Because if they are as described in the books, genocide isn't such a bad idea

I didn't actually specify the threat they all went out to defeat on the Far Rim... The players assume it's the Y-Vong, but I've never confirmed anything.

In any case, I think destruction on that scale is going to worry some of the softer-hearted Jedi, even if the threat is real and tangible.

Our returning Jedi are a lot like the British Empire at its most arrogant and aggressive; 'the world will only be safe when we are in charge, we always know best and those who disagree must be shown the error of their ways. We will educate and guide and tame this galaxy, even if it cannot see the benefits we will bring. We will make civilised people of savages, and bring knowledge instead of ignorance. It's all for your own good.'

On the other hand you could see that healing power like an enhaced cpr that restarts the heart, as it requires to be used very shortly after the death of the player. And i totally see yoda do that "die you will not" thing, during a battle or immediately after.

Well I've just never seen a Jedi ever heal anyone in the movies or (that I can recall) in TCW. And those are the two sources for me. I don't even know who this "Cade Skywalker" is that was mentioned though I can pretty much work out they're Luke's offspring. Or conceivably Leia's (though I hope not both unless something happened before Obi Wan's ghost spilled the beans). But if Cade is not in the movies or TCW then presumably they're not official anyway. So it's just a bit out of nowhere to read about a resurrection power.

I can see a kind of immediate CPR level healing, maybe. But I don't see it of much help when someone has just been blasted. And what is this "vampire" version? Perhaps I should take this one off to a seperate thread if it's contentious.

I've said it before, if you're going to limit yourself to the movies & TCW, you're going to have a very restricted pool of background to draw from. This game seems pretty firmly rooted in "Legends" continuity. It's your game, so your rules, and a pure canon game is certainly possible. But you have to throw out a lot of info from the core books released so far!

And don't, whatever you do, book passage on a "Corellian Corvette" as it doesn't exist in canon

The book Dark Plagueis , which is about Palpatine's training and his Master, is very heavily about using the Force to bring people back to life.

I haven't read it, but again, it's not cannon and it doesn't seem to be echoed by anything in the cannon sources.