What they need is a universal Spec that has both parry and reflect on it so that everyone can get it with out wasting the points on a spec they dont want (like the recruit spec)
and whats with reflect being a force only trait Grevious does it all the time, and he has no force rating?
and whats with reflect being a force only trait Grevious does it all the time, and he has no force rating?
He's an NPC. That means he can be a cyborg, have four arms, use four lightsabers, defy gravity like Spider-Man, not have his obvious respiratory illness affect his athleticism in any way, somehow be smiultaneously terrifying & hilarious, unstoppable & incompetent, and reflect blaster bolts.
"I'm Grevious, an NPC. I can put my arm back on. You can't (without spending 10K credits). So play safe."
Still, a game where they just said 'this time out we are not supporting non-Jedi characters so as to be able to focus on providing the best possible Jedi gaming experience' would be a great thing to see.
And lo and behold we have F&D, which is totally dedicated to Force-use and your vaunted Jedi (if you so choose) and (big surprise, but not really) you're still not happy because they're not your Jedi wet dream version.
I have a question for any kindly person with the books - Force Lightning! How deadly is it? And how far up the tree is it?
The basic Protect/Unleash spend 2 pips and succeed at average Discipline check to make a ranged short with base damage = your Willpower, Critical 2. Costs 20 xp. It just gets more nasty from there as you descend the tree (more damage, range & targets).
You DO need a FR of 3+ to learn it, however. So if you start with (for example) the Sage spec and pick up both +1 FR, you can get it by the time you fill-out your first talent tree.
Any unispecs?
Nope, none that I can see. There really doesn't need to be one.
Edited by Lorne1) Not only are there Talent Trees without 'Force Rating +1', there are a few without 'Dedication!' That blows my mind a little.
It's actually perfect. The dueling spec's don't seem to get any FR boost -- you have to take the more generalized specs to get a +1 FR, or if you take either of the egghead spec (sage & seer) you can get a +2 FR boost. This is how you get a sliding scale between warriors and wizards, with the potential to be both with enough XP.
yes and no hope that helps lolOne question. Force Push/Slam is...? Move?
It depends on how you interpret it. If you are talking films, like where the Jedi sticks out his hand and all the bad guys get knocked to the ground, then Bind is actually a good analog. If you're talking the Starkiller shockwave, unleash might be closer, and if your talking toss the stormtrooper over the railing, then its move. Expect a conflict point or two from that last option though.
What they need is a universal Spec that has both parry and reflect on it so that everyone can get it with out wasting the points on a spec they dont want (like the recruit spec)
and whats with reflect being a force only trait Grevious does it all the time, and he has no force rating?
No i don't agree,
Jedi need to learn several styles in order to fight the way they did.
SImply being a jedi with a light saber does not grant deflection...
Grievous did it because he was a cyborg with enhanced reflexes
Edited by AtraangelisStill, a game where they just said 'this time out we are not supporting non-Jedi characters so as to be able to focus on providing the best possible Jedi gaming experience' would be a great thing to see.
When you eat your food, I bet you separate everything so nothing touches. And if your peas get in your potatoes, there's a tantrum coming...
1) Not only are there Talent Trees without 'Force Rating +1', there are a few without 'Dedication!' That blows my mind a little.
It's actually perfect. The dueling spec's don't seem to get any FR boost -- you have to take the more generalized specs to get a +1 FR, or if you take either of the egghead spec (sage & seer) you can get a +2 FR boost. This is how you get a sliding scale between warriors and wizards, with the potential to be both with enough XP.
And the fact the Pirate hasn't mentioned "Knowledge is power" to you guys is criminal.
"Once per session pretend your egghead is an escapee from the force unleashed."
and whats with reflect being a force only trait Grevious does it all the time, and he has no force rating?
Not just Grevious...in TCW the second Mandalorian episode, the Duchess's guards are seen reflecting droid blaster bolts with their force pikes. Though maybe they're all FR1 and don't know it...
Still, a game where they just said 'this time out we are not supporting non-Jedi characters so as to be able to focus on providing the best possible Jedi gaming experience' would be a great thing to see.
When you eat your food, I bet you separate everything so nothing touches. And if your peas get in your potatoes, there's a tantrum coming...
Fool! Everyone knows when your food touches you have 10 seconds before your plate explodes.
So I noticed in the Sage tree, you can reach the first Force Rating +1 without needing to take any force-related talents. Would a EoE character be able to tke a Sage specialization to pick up Force Rating, instead of Exile or Emergent?
What about Seer, that requires you to get a force sensitive talent first?
Well looking at it Ataru Striker seems to be... Well a tad bit OP... It has both reflect and parry, something maybe all the lightsaber trees should have, merging the two makes sense. If I can parry a bolt of concentrated plasma moving with the speed of a bullet I can probably parry your sword.
So does Soresu, being a defensive form, as does Shien, being a derivative of Soresu. Shii-Cho and Makashi lack reflect because that's not part of those forms. Makashi has 5, yes, five instances of the parry talent because that's integral to the form.
Overall, I'm really happy with how they've done these.
What they need is a universal Spec that has both parry and reflect on it so that everyone can get it with out wasting the points on a spec they dont want (like the recruit spec)
and whats with reflect being a force only trait Grevious does it all the time, and he has no force rating?
As I recall they explained it because he received a blood transfusion from that Jedi who ordered the Clone Troopers created, Syfo Dias I've probably spelt that wrong!
Lets see maybe a supplement dealing with droids and cybernetics might explain this better if FFG ever releases one, but until I can get hold of a copy I'm assuming Greivous was given access to a Force Career but never developed his Force Rating beyond 1 perhaps that Warrior career which I assume both Darth Maul and Anakin majored in?
As for wielding four lightsabers at once I assume he had two on auto pilot which is why Obi-Wan was able to take them out so easily... heck I allowed that in a Traveller game with a -4 penalty but since he had Melee/Energy Swords at skill rank 4...
Anyway did they run Force & Destiny at Gen Con?
And if they if anyone participated what was it like?
Lord did they have pre-generated characters and if so what was used?
Sorry now I'm geeking out!
Edited by copperbellLove almost all the book but, the one thing that don't sit well with me is that only one specialty can deflect back at the shooter.
i mean we see it all the time in the clone wars and the prequel movies from all Jedi's so why just the one spec.
I raised that issue in my last play test report and said I thought it might not sit well with quite a few folks.
What they need is a universal Spec that has both parry and reflect on it so that everyone can get it with out wasting the points on a spec they dont want (like the recruit spec)
and whats with reflect being a force only trait Grevious does it all the time, and he has no force rating?
Too OP. You're character gets where you want it too quickly imo.
Well looking at it Ataru Striker seems to be... Well a tad bit OP... It has both reflect and parry, something maybe all the lightsaber trees should have, merging the two makes sense. If I can parry a bolt of concentrated plasma moving with the speed of a bullet I can probably parry your sword.
So does Soresu, being a defensive form, as does Shien, being a derivative of Soresu. Shii-Cho and Makashi lack reflect because that's not part of those forms. Makashi has 5, yes, five instances of the parry talent because that's integral to the form.
Overall, I'm really happy with how they've done these.
That makes sense... I'm happy with them now as well.
One question. Force Push/Slam is...? Move?
Yes. Force powers were tightened up a bit in the rules but there is still wiggle room. Lots is going to be up to the GM at the table you are sitting at.
Still, a game where they just said 'this time out we are not supporting non-Jedi characters so as to be able to focus on providing the best possible Jedi gaming experience' would be a great thing to see.
What specifically do you think this book is lacking?
Every single Career/Specialization fits some Jedi character concept. They don't force you to be a Jedi (in fact they shy away from using the term Jedi from the snippets I've seen, even the Consular writeup stating these are NOT the Consular Jedi from the fallen Republic - but the pages are splattered with pictures of Jedi with lightsabers - the Consular page has a Jedi with a double bladed lightsaber) but they do support many Jedi concepts.
It has a lightsaber creation/modification rule set.
It has force powers that cover a wide spectrum of abilities.
It has holocrons and mentors and dark side/light side mechanics.
It even has Jedi starfighters.
I had high hopes for F&D. Star Wars isn't Star Wars for me without Jedi (it needs other things to be Star Wars aside from Jedi as well, but Jedi is an essential element for me) and honestly if they'd screwed this up (from my perspective) my interest in the whole line would have been greatly diminished. From what I've seen of this so far my expectations have been exceeded.
You want a super-powered Jedi game? You can do that. Start with very advanced characters who can get FR:5 and highly upgraded force powers to move Star Destroyers (it's also easy to tweak some of the rules that might prevent these sorts of shenanigans to easily allow them).
You want crazy lightsaber fights with acrobatic ninja-craziness? You can do that. This is a narrative system. This is one of it's strengths. YOU get to decide what the dice results mean. You get to describe HOW things happen.
You will not find a more lenient or supportive Star Wars game in terms of letting you have control of this aspect of the game.
Edited by Jedi RoninSo I noticed in the Sage tree, you can reach the first Force Rating +1 without needing to take any force-related talents. Would a EoE character be able to tke a Sage specialization to pick up Force Rating, instead of Exile or Emergent?
What about Seer, that requires you to get a force sensitive talent first?
Ah, but the +1 FR rating itself is a Force power, implying that you need FR 1 already to get it, no?
AFAICT, the design goal is either to start as a F&D career or take FSE.
So I noticed in the Sage tree, you can reach the first Force Rating +1 without needing to take any force-related talents. Would a EoE character be able to tke a Sage specialization to pick up Force Rating, instead of Exile or Emergent?
What about Seer, that requires you to get a force sensitive talent first?
No. You either start a character in F&D and then they get the FR from the F&D career or you access it via Exile or Emergent. You don't buy an additional F&D spec on an existing character and receive a default FR. You could buy the spec and earn it in the tree though eventually.
So I noticed in the Sage tree, you can reach the first Force Rating +1 without needing to take any force-related talents. Would a EoE character be able to tke a Sage specialization to pick up Force Rating, instead of Exile or Emergent?
What about Seer, that requires you to get a force sensitive talent first?
No. You either start a character in F&D and then they get the FR from the F&D career or you access it via Exile or Emergent. You don't buy an additional F&D spec on an existing character and receive a default FR. You could buy the spec and earn it in the tree though eventually.
That's what I meant- can someone with FR zero, who has taken a force specialization, take force talets they cant use, or do they have to reach a "Force rating +1" node first?
So I noticed in the Sage tree, you can reach the first Force Rating +1 without needing to take any force-related talents. Would a EoE character be able to tke a Sage specialization to pick up Force Rating, instead of Exile or Emergent?
What about Seer, that requires you to get a force sensitive talent first?
No. You either start a character in F&D and then they get the FR from the F&D career or you access it via Exile or Emergent. You don't buy an additional F&D spec on an existing character and receive a default FR. You could buy the spec and earn it in the tree though eventually.
That's what I meant- can someone with FR zero, who has taken a force specialization, take force talets they cant use, or do they have to reach a "Force rating +1" node first?
There is a FR prereq in all Force powers, so if you don't have the requisite FR, no, you can't buy it.
So I noticed in the Sage tree, you can reach the first Force Rating +1 without needing to take any force-related talents. Would a EoE character be able to tke a Sage specialization to pick up Force Rating, instead of Exile or Emergent?
What about Seer, that requires you to get a force sensitive talent first?
No. You either start a character in F&D and then they get the FR from the F&D career or you access it via Exile or Emergent. You don't buy an additional F&D spec on an existing character and receive a default FR. You could buy the spec and earn it in the tree though eventually.
That's what I meant- can someone with FR zero, who has taken a force specialization, take force talets they cant use, or do they have to reach a "Force rating +1" node first?
There is a FR prereq in all Force powers, so if you don't have the requisite FR, no, you can't buy it.
So in the Sage tree, where yo can get to the +1 Force rating talent without taking any force powers, can you take the talent, or does being a "force talent" itself keep you from getting the required ability to get it?
does being a "force talent" itself keep you from getting the required ability to get it?
This. This. You need a career or spec that gives you FR 1 before you can take Force talents. +1 FR is a Force talent.