One interesting thing is that careers, not specializations, give you Force rating. Although it's not spelled out (that I know of), I'm assuming that F&D specializations all require FR 1 if you come to them from EotE or AoR.

You did not read that. I was never here...

Yes, but not all the specs have a FR boost, and some have two..............

Yeah, I noticed that, too. I guess they felt that only certain disciplines could increase your affinity with the Force. Or something like that

I think it is more of a balance thing and people will see why as they look at the trees and think about it.

One interesting thing is that careers, not specializations, give you Force rating. Although it's not spelled out (that I know of), I'm assuming that F&D specializations all require FR 1 if you come to them from EotE or AoR.

You did not read that. I was never here...

Yes, but not all the specs have a FR boost, and some have two..............

Any news of a hard cap on max Force Rating?

One interesting thing is that careers, not specializations, give you Force rating. Although it's not spelled out (that I know of), I'm assuming that F&D specializations all require FR 1 if you come to them from EotE or AoR.

You did not read that. I was never here...

Yes, but not all the specs have a FR boost, and some have two..............

Any news of a hard cap on max Force Rating?

There aint one other than what the number of FR boost and xp impose on you.

To be fair Desslok, the 'mortals' (or more properly, 'mundanes') are in the other books, EoE and AOR.

Yeah, I'd have put some muggles in there too.

But I understand why they went Force-only here. This one is where the Force is actually, um, er, 'unleashed'....

Uh uh uh write about them all or until your fingers start to bleed (or you get tired, your choice)

I don't understand how they get through life with those... growths? Some of them look like they'd have a tough time dealing with a stiff wind. Heaven forbid one of them wants to get into a tight refresher stall, or go see a holo.

They get 2 Boost dice when doing assists.

Haha. "Hold my coat while I talk to this guy, okay?"

One interesting thing is that careers, not specializations, give you Force rating. Although it's not spelled out (that I know of), I'm assuming that F&D specializations all require FR 1 if you come to them from EotE or AoR.

You did not read that. I was never here...

Just make sure you have the character editor updated by tomorrow at the latest , OggDude!

Well... Actually, I'm about to release one more pre-F&D version, then we'll see. There's a few new features I need to add, such as the career FR thing, support for the Lightsaber skill (with talents changing attribute used), and Morality works sufficiently different from Ob and Duty that it'll require some work (a single Morality score, multiple strenghts/weaknesses that don't necessarily match up, etc). I also need to go through the talent list to see if they made up any new mechanics that I have to support.

I can't say that I'm thrilled about what I am hearing.

Morality is, to me, subjective - and something that can cause contention at a table. I would have to read it and see how it works, or if it even applies to muggles.

The whole consular, guardian, and sentinel is something I would like to see die in a fire.

As to careers all being force sensitive, well, I also feel that it is a lost chance ay making characters from a certain point of view - those that either have no idea they are force sensitive or who have cut themselves off. This is of course conjecture, based off of very little info.

The race selection I am happy about.

All in all, I suspect I will buy the beta but not the core release. Unless the material can win me over.

The species are about the only thing that's gonna be ingrained into our tables, here. We've been dieing for some new ones, and the ones in far horizon we're half apt for us. No one is excited for the Chev, but the arcona will be a welcome addition. As we have AoR the Gran isn't anything for us, but I'm looking forward to reading the text and how they present it to the rogues (EtoE universe).

The rest of this has nothing to do with the quoted script....

As GM and a star wars purist, I'm super happy they stuck to their guns and kept it jedi "light", and actually gave my players options that I, and the rest of the group, will allow at our table. I didn't want to have that conversation, again, where I turn out being the bad guy for sticking to canon. Not that they aren't there, hidden, but given the time frame they would be handcuffed for most of the campaign. I'm down with that, but players are stuck in this pathfinder thought process where everything is awesome and no isn't a word the GM should be allowed. Then I'm picking on someone for making them stick to a code, which makes me happier that there are negative side effects for dark side use.

The only thing I haven't seen mentioned were alternate force users like the witches and the Teras Kasi users. But that's minor in comparison.

Only kidding, Ogg! Personally I love your stuff and it's very cool you offer it for free.

In your own time, dude!

One interesting thing is that careers, not specializations, give you Force rating. Although it's not spelled out (that I know of), I'm assuming that F&D specializations all require FR 1 if you come to them from EotE or AoR.

You did not read that. I was never here...

Yes, but not all the specs have a FR boost, and some have two..............

Any news of a hard cap on max Force Rating?

There aint one other than what the number of FR boost and xp impose on you.

Thank you for the info!

Please mr. Pirate, tell us more about the sabers!?

What kind? Basic, Double-bladed, Pike, Shoto, or Training??

If "all of the above" isn't an option, then I'll definitely go for the double-bladed info.

The only thing I haven't seen mentioned were alternate force users like the witches and the Teras Kasi users. But that's minor in comparison.

As far as I can see, that's pure fluff here.

The specs are not tied to any tradition?

The only thing I haven't seen mentioned were alternate force users like the witches and the Teras Kasi users. But that's minor in comparison.

As far as I can see, that's pure fluff here.

The specs are not tied to any tradition?

The Career write ups are very vanilla and devoid of canon/EU reference as I recall. That will come in the CRB I would think.

To be fair Desslok, the 'mortals' (or more properly, 'mundanes') are in the other books, EoE and AOR.

Yeah, I'd have put some muggles in there too.

But I understand why they went Force-only here. This one is where the Force is actually, um, er, 'unleashed'....

Thing is, I'm okay with a book free of the Mundanes. We've got the 12 from the two other books and with 24 more in the works, once the assorted sourcebooks come out. The Mere Mortals have no shortage of archetypes to choose from - so letting the Jedi have their day is fine with me.

Only kidding, Ogg! Personally I love your stuff and it's very cool you offer it for free.

In your own time, dude!

Yeah, Monday will be just fine. Go take the weekend.

Maybe our residential Forum-Troll is happy to hear that He could make his Force Unleashed Star Destroyer flinging über-jedi as there is no hard cap in FR.

If he happened to play this game, that is.

*I spy with my little eye he is going through these pages*

Please mr. Pirate, tell us more about the sabers!?

What kind? Basic, Double-bladed, Pike, Shoto, or Training??

If "all of the above" isn't an option, then I'll definitely go for the double-bladed info.

6/2, Encum 2, HP 4, Breach 1, Linked 1, Sunder, Unwieldy 2.

Maybe our residential Forum-Troll is happy to hear that He could make his Force Unleashed Star Destroyer flinging über-jedi as there is no hard cap in FR.

If he happened to play this game, that is.

*I spy with my little eye he is going through these pages*

There is a hard cap on Silhouette though......

Can you give Pike stats 2P51.

Pretty please.

The only thing I haven't seen mentioned were alternate force users like the witches and the Teras Kasi users. But that's minor in comparison.

As far as I can see, that's pure fluff here.

The specs are not tied to any tradition?

That's what it seems like, and it would fit with the way they laid out Edge and Age. Mystic and Seeker look like they could easily represent nontraditional Force disciplines.

Can you give Pike stats 2P51.

Pretty please.

6/2, Enc 3, HP 3, Breach 1, Cumbersome 3, Defensive 1, Sunder.

This thread is gigantic and it's just too much to read. Does anyone know of someone who has put up a summary of this stuff somewhere (new classes, basics on force powers, races, story elements, etc.)?

This thread is gigantic and it's just too much to read. Does anyone know of someone who has put up a summary of this stuff somewhere (new classes, basics on force powers, races, story elements, etc.)?

I'm answering questions so I know I haven't............

Ah, another mechanic I can ignore as I did with Duty and Obligation!

You're so special! Must be wonderful to be you

No need for that.

I might actually use the mechanic, if I can alter it. Light = law, Dark = chaos, for users to freely choose, but also having a 'Corruption' element for the really nasty stuff like torture or burning orphanages.

As Samophlange says, morality is subjective, and I prefer to stay away from all that.

I think in broad spectrum morality is pretty black and white. Murder is murder no matter who is trying to rationalize it. Then again, I don't know to whom you're trying to apply this morality to, but for the most part, like duty and everything else it needs a bit of common sense (which I realize isn't always so common).

Here is something that I've found helps with this... Just a suggestion in the event that you ever wish to give it another shot.

Anytime anyone's duty/obligation comes up in a roll for the day, we all take a few moments to discuss it, as a table. I, personally, will have chats with my players (meta-gamed sometimes) and make sure we are on the same page as to what's expected of them to complete the objective, and they can ask any questions about methods, etc.. they desire. They still chose their own paths, and usually the easiest path is one that skirts the line, but we make sure the objectives and consequences are know prior to the character(s) being turned loose on the environment.

This thread is gigantic and it's just too much to read. Does anyone know of someone who has put up a summary of this stuff somewhere (new classes, basics on force powers, races, story elements, etc.)?

I'm answering questions so I know I haven't............

And it's definitely appreciated.

Lightsaber Crystals aren't the only modifications you can make to Lightsabers?

Hilts, Emitters? Just throwing these at you 2P51