So I know that Garven can pass his focus token even when he doesn't roll any eyeballs. But can he pass his token when he doesn't roll at all. Either he never gets attacked or doesn't have an enemy in range or arc. I've been playing that he can't.

Thx

Good question and I'm not 100% sure but I'd think not. He has to spend a token to pass it, he can't do that without throwing dice.

You'll get your answer here, but just a friendly reminder that there is a rules forum that would be better suited for this type of post.

So I know that Garven can pass his focus token even when he doesn't roll any eyeballs. But can he pass his token when he doesn't roll at all. Either he never gets attacked or doesn't have an enemy in range or arc. I've been playing that he can't.

Thx

Correct. You must be given the opportunity to spend the focus token to pass it. This opportunity only comes when he rolls dice. You can spend a token upon the opportunity and not benefit from it (like you said), but you have to follow the order of events. Only exception would be now he can equip R5-P9 to spend the focus token for another means, so he can pass it outside of the combat phase. But, while technically legal, there isn't a lot of reason to do it that way. Only one I can see would be to hand it off to Corran Horn for his End Phase attack.

I would say no, but if it was up to me I would rule that Garven shouldn't be able to pass a Focus unless he actually uses it to modify dice. It seems pretty cheap to me that he can pass it after spending it on nothing.

I would say no, but if it was up to me I would rule that Garven shouldn't be able to pass a Focus unless he actually uses it to modify dice. It seems pretty cheap to me that he can pass it after spending it on nothing.

Doing that would make Garven's ability less reliable. At this point I don't think nerfing higher PS pilot abilities is what the game needs, considering many players just field lower skill generic pilots because they don't feel the high PS ships are worth the cost

I think the only time Garv could pass his focus without rolling dice, is if he has a blinded pilot critical damage. He's still focusing to modify 0 dice in that situation. But he would need to either attack someone, or be attacked himself to use and then pass his token. Or like mentioned above with R5-P9.

I would say no, but if it was up to me I would rule that Garven shouldn't be able to pass a Focus unless he actually uses it to modify dice. It seems pretty cheap to me that he can pass it after spending it on nothing.

Doing that would make Garven's ability less reliable. At this point I don't think nerfing higher PS pilot abilities is what the game needs, considering many players just field lower skill generic pilots because they don't feel the high PS ships are worth the cost

Any other ship is able to spend their focus to no benefit. The same with Target Lock. Makes perfect sense, and as Effenhoog said, it would take away from an ability that you can otherwise use most every turn, which would reduce the usefulness and in turn usage of Garven significantly.

So I know that Garven can pass his focus token even when he doesn't roll any eyeballs. But can he pass his token when he doesn't roll at all. Either he never gets attacked or doesn't have an enemy in range or arc. I've been playing that he can't.

Thx

Correct. You must be given the opportunity to spend the focus token to pass it. This opportunity only comes when he rolls dice. You can spend a token upon the opportunity and not benefit from it (like you said), but you have to follow the order of events. Only exception would be now he can equip R5-P9 to spend the focus token for another means, so he can pass it outside of the combat phase. But, while technically legal, there isn't a lot of reason to do it that way. Only one I can see would be to hand it off to Corran Horn for his End Phase attack.

Had. To mention it.

I would say no, but if it was up to me I would rule that Garven shouldn't be able to pass a Focus unless he actually uses it to modify dice. It seems pretty cheap to me that he can pass it after spending it on nothing.

How is that cheap? He spent an action getting the token, and if he rolls no eyes, he is getting 0 benefit from it. The LEAST he can do to make it worthwhile is pass it, otherwise his ability is kind of "meh". If I spend the points for his ability I ought to get something for it, right?

Page 10 of the core rules... When describing the 7 steps of performing an attack during combat phase

While the above and none of the 7 steps mentions a "if you are not able skip following steps" type mechanic... the Above does infer an attack requires a ship to be in range and in arc. So you in essenance if you don't meet those requirements you can't attack at all and would have no dice to modify even if modifying 0 for Garvin to pass the focus.

SO I think it is reasonable to assume Garvin (or any other pilots) at least require dice/attack/def (so even 0 dice due to crit card) to modify 0 dice to use any abilities triggered by those modifications. My head hurts... Basically you have to be able to attack (roll any amount of dice even 0 dice during the 4th step).

I also agree that allowing modification of 0 dice lends to usefulness of expensive pilots, does not seem over-powered to allow. More ships is already a pretty good setup.

Only exception would be now he can equip R5-P9 to spend the focus token for another means, so he can pass it outside of the combat phase. But, while technically legal, there isn't a lot of reason to do it that way. Only one I can see would be to hand it off to Corran Horn for his End Phase attack.

He can still pass it to Kyle in the Moldy Crow for safe keeping so he can it back next time, or give it to the Moldy Crow with another pilot so they may use it next turn.

Add a trio of Tala Sauadron to generally fly interference and be annoying and you've got yourself a cute little tanky list.

I would say no, but if it was up to me I would rule that Garven shouldn't be able to pass a Focus unless he actually uses it to modify dice. It seems pretty cheap to me that he can pass it after spending it on nothing.

Look at this from a game balance perspective. Is Garven on every list you see? Nope. Because even with focus passing as he has it, he isn't broken. Good yes. Probably my favorite X-wing. But he's MILES from broken.

I would say no, but if it was up to me I would rule that Garven shouldn't be able to pass a Focus unless he actually uses it to modify dice. It seems pretty cheap to me that he can pass it after spending it on nothing.

Doing that would make Garven's ability less reliable. At this point I don't think nerfing higher PS pilot abilities is what the game needs, considering many players just field lower skill generic pilots because they don't feel the high PS ships are worth the cost

Any other ship is able to spend their focus to no benefit. The same with Target Lock. Makes perfect sense, and as Effenhoog said, it would take away from an ability that you can otherwise use most every turn, which would reduce the usefulness and in turn usage of Garven significantly.

Point taken. I didn't say he was broken, I just thought it funny I can spend tokens on nothing.

With the TL you aren't 'spending it' unless you just wanted to remove one for whatever reason, you are re-acquiring a lock on another ship. I think thats what your talking about with TL. Garvin isn't on every list, no pilot is, but I see him quite regulary. Hell I use him.

Any other ship is able to spend their focus to no benefit. The same with Target Lock. Makes perfect sense, and as Effenhoog said, it would take away from an ability that you can otherwise use most every turn, which would reduce the usefulness and in turn usage of Garven significantly.

Point taken. I didn't say he was broken, I just thought it funny I can spend tokens on nothing.

With the TL you aren't 'spending it' unless you just wanted to remove one for whatever reason, you are re-acquiring a lock on another ship. I think thats what your talking about with TL. Garvin isn't on every list, no pilot is, but I see him quite regulary. Hell I use him.

I think what he meant is that you could roll 3 attack dice, get 3 hits and spend a TL to re-roll 0 dice. This would allow Hobbie Klivian to shed a stress token.

The same way you can spend a focus to flip 0 eyeballs over to hits / evades, allowing Garven to pass his focus to someone else.

Thank you all for the quick replies. I thought I had it right with limiting him to having to roll dice. Haven't used the droid yet, but I would think that would qualify. At first I played that he had to have eyeballs, but I'm glad they FAQ'd it. Makes him much more viable for the 26 points.

Great point about Hobbie. I need to pull the trigger on a transport and get in on some of those fun loving x pilots. Excellent synergy in that pack.

I would say no, but if it was up to me I would rule that Garven shouldn't be able to pass a Focus unless he actually uses it to modify dice. It seems pretty cheap to me that he can pass it after spending it on nothing.

Doing that would make Garven's ability less reliable. At this point I don't think nerfing higher PS pilot abilities is what the game needs, considering many players just field lower skill generic pilots because they don't feel the high PS ships are worth the cost

Any other ship is able to spend their focus to no benefit. The same with Target Lock. Makes perfect sense, and as Effenhoog said, it would take away from an ability that you can otherwise use most every turn, which would reduce the usefulness and in turn usage of Garven significantly.

Point taken. I didn't say he was broken, I just thought it funny I can spend tokens on nothing.

With the TL you aren't 'spending it' unless you just wanted to remove one for whatever reason, you are re-acquiring a lock on another ship. I think thats what your talking about with TL. Garvin isn't on every list, no pilot is, but I see him quite regulary. Hell I use him.

Its in the bloody FAQ that Garven can spend his focus to adjust all eyeball results (including 0). Same with "Dutch" spending a TL to reroll any number of dice (including 0).

PRETTY EXPLOSIO... oh look there is a DC-3 flying past the off.. pretty secretary just walked past...... what was I saying back there?

(Aminar: you aren't the only one with said issue!)

This is covered by FFG in a few areas. A pilot can spend their tokens during their turn of the combat phase. Furthermore, a token can be spent without effect. Garven does not need to roll dice to spend his Focus token.

A pilot can spend their tokens during their turn of the combat phase.

This is not strictly true, if there isn't an enemy in your firing arc, you cannot spend your token(s).

I would say no, but if it was up to me I would rule that Garven shouldn't be able to pass a Focus unless he actually uses it to modify dice. It seems pretty cheap to me that he can pass it after spending it on nothing.

Doing that would make Garven's ability less reliable. At this point I don't think nerfing higher PS pilot abilities is what the game needs, considering many players just field lower skill generic pilots because they don't feel the high PS ships are worth the cost

Any other ship is able to spend their focus to no benefit. The same with Target Lock. Makes perfect sense, and as Effenhoog said, it would take away from an ability that you can otherwise use most every turn, which would reduce the usefulness and in turn usage of Garven significantly.

Point taken. I didn't say he was broken, I just thought it funny I can spend tokens on nothing.

With the TL you aren't 'spending it' unless you just wanted to remove one for whatever reason, you are re-acquiring a lock on another ship. I think thats what your talking about with TL. Garvin isn't on every list, no pilot is, but I see him quite regulary. Hell I use him.

As a person with a pretty extreme case of ADHD I would find it funny if he couldn't lose his focus for next no reason at all. Oh look at all the pretty explosions. Wait, why is the Tie Fighter burning in space. Must be the fuel they use. I wonder what that is. Focus lost.

They use Twin Ionized Engines (thus T.I.E.) The "Ionized" part refers to the plasma that is contained in the engines.

A pilot can spend their tokens during their turn of the combat phase.

This is not strictly true, if there isn't an enemy in your firing arc, you cannot spend your token(s).

Not true. One can spend an Evade, TL, or Focus regardless of wither they are attacking or not. The only way Garven could not is if something was keeping him from doing so... like being within R1 of him.

This is covered by FFG in a few areas. A pilot can spend their tokens during their turn of the combat phase. Furthermore, a token can be spent without effect. Garven does not need to roll dice to spend his Focus token.

They have been clear that you can spend tokens to make no changes to dice rolled. Aka you role 3 hits and spent a TL to modificy "any" dice you choose... which in this case is "none". You can spend a focus to "change all eye results into hit results" even if there are no eye results.

I do not think they have said you can spend tokens when there are no dice and the player did not role any... Blinded Pilot crit was FAQ to allow any ability triggered by an "attack" can be used but they did not mention spending tokens.

Dice modification happens during dice rolling (step 4), that is when you can spend tokens like focus to modify dice.

EDIT: Garvin is FAQ that his ability CAN be used with Blinded Pilot crit... That would indicate that an Attack as to occur... and if you can't attack due to range/arc limitations then you cannot use ability.

This is covered by FFG in a few areas. A pilot can spend their tokens during their turn of the combat phase. Furthermore, a token can be spent without effect. Garven does not need to roll dice to spend his Focus token.

They have been clear that you can spend tokens to make no changes to dice rolled. Aka you role 3 hits and spent a TL to modificy "any" dice you choose... which in this case is "none". You can spend a focus to "change all eye results into hit results" even if there are no eye results.

I do not think they have said you can spend tokens when there are no dice and the player did not role any... Blinded Pilot crit was FAQ to allow any ability triggered by an "attack" can be used but they did not mention spending tokens.

Dice modification happens during dice rolling (step 4), that is when you can spend tokens like focus to modify dice.

This is covered by FFG in a few areas. A pilot can spend their tokens during their turn of the combat phase. Furthermore, a token can be spent without effect. Garven does not need to roll dice to spend his Focus token.

They have been clear that you can spend tokens to make no changes to dice rolled. Aka you role 3 hits and spent a TL to modificy "any" dice you choose... which in this case is "none". You can spend a focus to "change all eye results into hit results" even if there are no eye results.

I do not think they have said you can spend tokens when there are no dice and the player did not role any... Blinded Pilot crit was FAQ to allow any ability triggered by an "attack" can be used but they did not mention spending tokens.

Dice modification happens during dice rolling (step 4), that is when you can spend tokens like focus to modify dice.

Rolling 0 dice is still "rolling dice" not skipping the dice rolling step entirely.

I would agree and so do the FAQ when rolloing 0 dice is caused by anything OTHER then not having a target to attack aka not in range nor arc. One example is Blinded Pilot.