A roll is a roll is a roll. I don't care what they do with the dice before they toss them, as long as they don't try to play with them after they leave my opponent's hand. Unless the dice are loaded, there is absolutely no way they can affect the outcome.

This is so wrong, it is scary. I would love to play craps with you ... anytime ... for any amount of money. I, as well as others I know, have been barred from playing in casinos in Las Vegas specifically because of our ability to consistently control the dice.

It is one of the reasons that virtually all new craps tables in Vegas in the past 5-10 years have "cones" across all of their lower walls, and you are forced to hit those walls, or get a bad roll called by the box.

Now, I have made no attempt what so ever to control the dice included within the X-Wing game, but I am pretty confident that given the time and energy to do so, I could certainly control the outcome of rolls. If nothing else, I could probably use the slide method to great effect.

Then be scared, I guess.

^{A roll is a roll is a roll. I don't care what they do with the dice before they toss them, as long as they don't try to play with them after they leave my opponent's hand. Unless the dice are loaded, there is absolutely no way they can affect the outcome.}

^{This is so wrong, it is scary. I would love to play craps with you ... anytime ... for any amount of money. I, as well as others I know, have been barred from playing in casinos in Las Vegas specifically because of our ability to consistently control the dice.}

^{It is one of the reasons that virtually all new craps tables in Vegas in the past 5-10 years have "cones" across all of their lower walls, and you are forced to hit those walls, or get a bad roll called by the box.}

^{Now, I have made no attempt what so ever to control the dice included within the X-Wing game, but I am pretty confident that given the time and energy to do so, I could certainly control the outcome of rolls. If nothing else, I could probably use the slide method to great effect.}

^{This topic is more to the point of when is rolling dice no longer "rolling" dice..}

^{If people roll the dice there is no problem.. its when people do things like this that everything falls down..}

^{I know the slide method is not the only one but as with the rest is this still concidered "rolling" dice?}

^{to start with i was like FFS really another thread containing whining about people "cheating" at "x" part of the game.}

^{but this i guess can have some merit like you see alot in 40K.. people roll one dice for 2+ saves at a time as it is satistically less likely to roll a 1 than roll all the dice at once. also the whole im going to pick up these dice and drop them straight back down without even trying to pretend i rolled them..}

^{Im glad X-wing hasnt fallen to these depths...}

The new regionals dice are cast with bubbles in the center. These are not in the exact center of course and I have seen them roll unusually high ratio of sucesses. FFG sponsored cheating? Not to mention the chances of these dice being further altered by unscrupulous players.

My wife taught me her dice voodoo. While shaking the dice in your hand, unfocus your eyes and picture hits (or evades, as the case may be) in your head. Do not refocus your eyes until you let the dice fly.

I have a bit of a lazy eye so I'm set

time to start winning tournaments

I had special X-Wing custom dice made that are all crits - is this wrong?

only if you get caught....lol

Not at all, as long as the TO uses the random swap method, and I get swapped when facing you.

I played in a tourney (not x-wing), where the TO randomly chose odds or evens at the start of each round. People at those tables had to use each others components. This was done specifically to stop the manipulation of game items.

I've heard stories of someone Ironing out their range ruler and managed to get nearly 2cm extra out of it when it flattened. He didn't get caught untill after the prizes were handed out, so was simply warned not to do it again. Now everyone in our gaming community is wary of him and will double check, so he'll have to travel to enter a tourney in order to do that again.

The new regionals dice are cast with bubbles in the center. These are not in the exact center of course and I have seen them roll unusually high ratio of sucesses. FFG sponsored cheating? Not to mention the chances of these dice being further altered by unscrupulous players.

to be honest my attack clear dice are amazing! They will almost always land hits or focuses (I now refuse to tl unless I have no shots) however as amazing as my attack dice are, my evade dice are awful. pure and simply awful. I want to roll my dice 1000 times to see if there is a noticeable ratio.

I imagine if these new dice are different, ffg can simply say use one set of dice if you want (like templates)

Khyros you had a pull move in your rolls (I dont think your hand actually turned over)

Also a friend of mine was joking after my last tourny about starting an xwing player watch group

The new regionals dice are cast with bubbles in the center. These are not in the exact center of course and I have seen them roll unusually high ratio of sucesses. FFG sponsored cheating? Not to mention the chances of these dice being further altered by unscrupulous players.

to be honest my attack clear dice are amazing! They will almost always land hits or focuses (I now refuse to tl unless I have no shots) however as amazing as my attack dice are, my evade dice are awful. pure and simply awful. I want to roll my dice 1000 times to see if there is a noticeable ratio.

I imagine if these new dice are different, ffg can simply say use one set of dice if you want (like templates)

Khyros you had a pull move in your rolls (I dont think your hand actually turned over)

Also a friend of mine was joking after my last tourny about starting an xwing player watch group

Even the non clear ones are cast with bubbles, you are silly to think otherwise...blame injection molding, not ffg

Got a dice tower the other day. Is it acceptable to use these at tourneys?

Got this one - cheap, has some X-Wing graphics, and does the job: https://www.etsy.com/listing/182652866/dice-towerroller-star-wars-design?ref=related-0

That is nice. Going to pick one of those up along with the one of the trays for tournaments. I had one for my 40k army when I played in tourneys and they are a great thing to have for moving between games.

Forgive my multi post. I can't figure out how to delete a comment

only if you get caught....lol

Not at all, as long as the TO uses the random swap method, and I get swapped when facing you.

I played in a tourney (not x-wing), where the TO randomly chose odds or evens at the start of each round. People at those tables had to use each others components. This was done specifically to stop the manipulation of game items.

I've heard stories of someone Ironing out their range ruler and managed to get nearly 2cm extra out of it when it flattened. He didn't get caught untill after the prizes were handed out, so was simply warned not to do it again. Now everyone in our gaming community is wary of him and will double check, so he'll have to travel to enter a tourney in order to do that again.

Ah the old Swedish ruler enlarger. That's not my bag baby

Ask 'em to roll them properly. If they object, they're attempting to cheat.

I've heard stories of someone Ironing out their range ruler and managed to get nearly 2cm extra out of it when it flattened. He didn't get caught untill after the prizes were handed out, so was simply warned not to do it again.

They weren't disqualified?

easy answer to the original question:

if the dice are actually rolled (not laid down or some such) then all is well

when in doubt about the specific dice set, just use the same or another one.

as a side note, does anyone else think that the blank faces of the dice are an invitation to any hobby carver out there?

they could have easily have a "miss" symbol on it.

to mangle a phrase: don't trust any dice results you didn't fake yourself.

The new regionals dice are cast with bubbles in the center. These are not in the exact center of course and I have seen them roll unusually high ratio of sucesses. FFG sponsored cheating? Not to mention the chances of these dice being further altered by unscrupulous players.

If you are talking about my evades in our quarterfinal match, I can assure you that they have not repeated the feat.

The new regionals dice are cast with bubbles in the center. These are not in the exact center of course and I have seen them roll unusually high ratio of sucesses. FFG sponsored cheating? Not to mention the chances of these dice being further altered by unscrupulous players.

If you are talking about my evades in our quarterfinal match, I can assure you that they have not repeated the feat.

I was but ABSOLUTELY IN NO WAY infer you were cheating. You were just rolling our shiny new dice (and very well!). If the dice have not continued that trend that perhaps The Force was just with you that day. I have seen similar feats following our game though in which the regional dice seemed unusually hot. I still question FFG's construction of these dice with the obvious bubbles in them.

Again, our games that day were the most intense and hard fought of the day. I do not think I was really at the top of my game that day but you certainly earned your wins.

Even the non clear ones are cast with bubbles, you are silly to think otherwise...blame injection molding, not ffg

I've done injection molding. You can cast without bubbles. Yes, this is a matter of casting not FFG directly. Most opaque materials are easier to have a bubble free casting; you definitely see (no pun intended) more bubbles often in translucent materials. I still think if you hand a translucent dice with an obvious bubble it is just further temptation for unscrupulous players.

Indeed, how silly of me.

The bubble in the center has everything to do with why there is a bubble in the center. The mold is designed in such a way that the material traps the air that was previously in the mold into the center of the dice. While it's possible to design the mold to have a release for the gas, it typically results in some sort of surface evidence of the vent, which then requires additional finishing work to polish it to clean said evidence. Or, you could just trap the gas in the center and then get rid of the extra step. This is cheaper.

My dad is an engineer who specialized is plastics and molding (extrusion and injection molding)... now i have to ask him...

I was but ABSOLUTELY IN NO WAY infer you were cheating. You were just rolling our shiny new dice (and very well!). If the dice have not continued that trend that perhaps The Force was just with you that day. I have seen similar feats following our game though in which the regional dice seemed unusually hot. I still question FFG's construction of these dice with the obvious bubbles in them.

I know you weren't accusing me of anything. I just wanted to point out that ever since our game, my Regionals dice have rolled normally.

Ask 'em to roll them properly. If they object, they're attempting to cheat.

I've heard stories of someone Ironing out their range ruler and managed to get nearly 2cm extra out of it when it flattened. He didn't get caught untill after the prizes were handed out, so was simply warned not to do it again.

They weren't disqualified?

It was store champs, and he wasn't caught until after the prizes were handed out and some people had gone home. He wasn't top 4. I was told the story 2nd hand by people I encountered at regionals that were at that particular store champs.

Whenever I get bad dice rolls, I blame the opponent

Whenever I get good dice rolls, I'm so brilliant

Whenever my opponent gets bad dice rolls, all is fair

Whenever my opponent gets good dice rolls, he's cheating

True story. But I was just having fun and nobody was stupid enough to take me seriously.

If you think your opponent has crooked dice, the best way to prove it is to swap dice. Do so in a fun way and innocent people will laugh and won't hesitate to swap, if only to prove that your losing streak is your own fault. Guilty people will shout, yell, stamp their feet and accuse you of accusing them of cheating.

If you think that someone is cheating in the way they roll their dice, why not ask to have them roll for you and you roll for them. If they roll differently, suddenly doing badly, then you can shout cheat. But if they roll well for you, then they've got skills.

Players who cheat to win are the only ones who would be upset by what I've suggested, as long as you avoid outright accusation and keep things fun.

Remember, even an innocent person might get mad and give you a black eye if you suggest he is cheating.

I just use the force. It's not my fault! There is no Jedi academy in Indianapolis where I can learn to control my skills

Whenever I get bad dice rolls, I blame the opponent

Whenever I get good dice rolls, I'm so brilliant

Whenever my opponent gets bad dice rolls, all is fair

Whenever my opponent gets good dice rolls, he's cheating

True story. But I was just having fun and nobody was stupid enough to take me seriously.

If you think your opponent has crooked dice, the best way to prove it is to swap dice. Do so in a fun way and innocent people will laugh and won't hesitate to swap, if only to prove that your losing streak is your own fault. Guilty people will shout, yell, stamp their feet and accuse you of accusing them of cheating.

If you think that someone is cheating in the way they roll their dice, why not ask to have them roll for you and you roll for them. If they roll differently, suddenly doing badly, then you can shout cheat. But if they roll well for you, then they've got skills.

Players who cheat to win are the only ones who would be upset by what I've suggested, as long as you avoid outright accusation and keep things fun.

Remember, even an innocent person might get mad and give you a black eye if you suggest he is cheating.

I disagree. I'd rather not trade my dice, ships, or templates. I'm fine if you want to both use my stuff, but how the heck do I know you're not cheating by intentionally weighing your dice to roll blanks, and then to "make everything fair" recommend we switch dice, and now I'm rolling with your intentionally pathetic dice? *shrug... That's actually not a bad idea!

But honestly, I'd rather not trade anything in general. Ships because I spent time and effort to paint them as mine. Dice/Tokens/Templates because they're mine and I don't want you to lose/damage them. Plus, god forbid I lose/damage one of yours, then I'd feel awful.

Whenever I get bad dice rolls, I blame the opponent

Whenever I get good dice rolls, I'm so brilliant

Whenever my opponent gets bad dice rolls, all is fair

Whenever my opponent gets good dice rolls, he's cheating

True story. But I was just having fun and nobody was stupid enough to take me seriously.

If you think your opponent has crooked dice, the best way to prove it is to swap dice. Do so in a fun way and innocent people will laugh and won't hesitate to swap, if only to prove that your losing streak is your own fault. Guilty people will shout, yell, stamp their feet and accuse you of accusing them of cheating.

If you think that someone is cheating in the way they roll their dice, why not ask to have them roll for you and you roll for them. If they roll differently, suddenly doing badly, then you can shout cheat. But if they roll well for you, then they've got skills.

Players who cheat to win are the only ones who would be upset by what I've suggested, as long as you avoid outright accusation and keep things fun.

Remember, even an innocent person might get mad and give you a black eye if you suggest he is cheating.

I disagree. I'd rather not trade my dice, ships, or templates. I'm fine if you want to both use my stuff, but how the heck do I know you're not cheating by intentionally weighing your dice to roll blanks, and then to "make everything fair" recommend we switch dice, and now I'm rolling with your intentionally pathetic dice? *shrug... That's actually not a bad idea!

But honestly, I'd rather not trade anything in general. Ships because I spent time and effort to paint them as mine. Dice/Tokens/Templates because they're mine and I don't want you to lose/damage them. Plus, god forbid I lose/damage one of yours, then I'd feel awful.

Was not intended to be a permanent trade. Just a "my dice don't seem to be working mind if I use yours?" kind of thing.

As to your first point, we're talking about someone who roles consistently well being asked to swap (temporarily) not a "I'm always getting bad rolls mind if we swap?" because that should raise a Red Alert that the "consistently bad dice" are in fact crooked.

So we agree.

Whenever I get bad dice rolls, I blame the opponent

Whenever I get good dice rolls, I'm so brilliant

Whenever my opponent gets bad dice rolls, all is fair

Whenever my opponent gets good dice rolls, he's cheating

True story. But I was just having fun and nobody was stupid enough to take me seriously.

If you think your opponent has crooked dice, the best way to prove it is to swap dice. Do so in a fun way and innocent people will laugh and won't hesitate to swap, if only to prove that your losing streak is your own fault. Guilty people will shout, yell, stamp their feet and accuse you of accusing them of cheating.

If you think that someone is cheating in the way they roll their dice, why not ask to have them roll for you and you roll for them. If they roll differently, suddenly doing badly, then you can shout cheat. But if they roll well for you, then they've got skills.

Players who cheat to win are the only ones who would be upset by what I've suggested, as long as you avoid outright accusation and keep things fun.

Remember, even an innocent person might get mad and give you a black eye if you suggest he is cheating.

I disagree. I'd rather not trade my dice, ships, or templates. I'm fine if you want to both use my stuff, but how the heck do I know you're not cheating by intentionally weighing your dice to roll blanks, and then to "make everything fair" recommend we switch dice, and now I'm rolling with your intentionally pathetic dice? *shrug... That's actually not a bad idea!

But honestly, I'd rather not trade anything in general. Ships because I spent time and effort to paint them as mine. Dice/Tokens/Templates because they're mine and I don't want you to lose/damage them. Plus, god forbid I lose/damage one of yours, then I'd feel awful.

Roll a die to determine who dice each person uses... wait but if the dice are fixed then that can be gamed...so roll a die to determine whose dice to use to decide which dice to use... ARGH!!

Infinite recursion maths joke...YAH!