Holy cow batman, the ADHD is strong here!

I am utterly disgusted that you EVER would use a mental disorder such as ADHD as an perjorative. Sociopathic trolls on various cesspit websites like 4Chan think it's funny to do that. I would think a forum such as this would be above emulating the depravities of such pools of 'human' detritus.

I hope you don't take this as a jab but I find it a little funny to be upset with someone inadvertently speaking ill of one group of people while yourself intentionally speaking ill of another.

How about we let the thread die? The OP was poorly worded from the start, which got people pretty riled up (too much if you ask me) and now it's just deteriorating into a slugfest.

Holy cow batman, the ADHD is strong here!

I am utterly disgusted that you EVER would use a mental disorder such as ADHD as an perjorative. Sociopathic trolls on various cesspit websites like 4Chan think it's funny to do that. I would think a forum such as this would be above emulating the depravities of such pools of 'human' detritus.

I hope you don't take this as a jab but I find it a little funny to be upset with someone inadvertently speaking ill of one group of people while yourself intentionally speaking ill of another.

Not taking issue with anyone speaking ill of things. Taking issue with someone using a mental condition as a perjorative or insult because it comes with the intrinsic implication that to have said mental condition is something someone would be ashamed of. It's a disgusting attitude. DoubleNot's probably just parroting it from someone else without realising (as people do) and likely meant nothing by it, but if I just ignore it it continues to perpetuate.

But anyway, you did the same thing right in your post.

I used sociopathic to mean sociopathic, not as an otherwise unrelated perjorative employed solely for stigmatic value.

The point I would raise regarding "sportsmanship" is that it has to do with respect. Why are you playing the game? Presumably to have fun. Assuming a friendly game, if your play style is keeping your opponent from having fun, out of respect, it might be a good idea to change tactics.

For example: I have a friend who made a build utilizing 3 Outer Rim Smugglers with Anti-pursuit lasers, Navigators, and Intelligence agents. HIs strategy was to look at your dial, move in your way, and force you to run into him. Often he would even ram all 3 of his ships together so you couldn't even move at all. With him getting roughly half his damage from anti-pursuit lasers, the YTs, being simply damage counters given that they only have one evade, fighting that build was just a contest of whether I could do enough damage to destroy his 3 ships before he whittled me down with anti-pursuit lasers.

That isn't to say his build was unbeatable. I beat with both 3 Firesprays and 4 B-wings. However, the matches were very frustrating and much less enjoyable than most of our other games. It didn't really matter what i put on the dial, he would be in the way, and I would get no action, and possibly take a damage. All that mattered was how lucky I got on the dice.

Now what I'm saying doesn't hold true for tournaments, where I think the point is to use every advantage you can within the bounds of the rules and give your opponent as good a contest as you can. But I think some people on these forums seem to forget that the point of any game is for all parties to have fun.

The point of a tournament is to win, fun is optional... although destroying your opponent by bending twisting and taking advantage of any rule possible and legal is its own sort of fun!

But I think some people on these forums seem to forget that the point of any game is for all parties to have fun.

I think you make a good distinction between casual play and tournament play that is vital for this sort of discussion and your opponents list does sound awful (though I hate all YTs as their turrets ruin much of my fun.) That said, this quote isn't quite right. Everyone on a game forum knows well that a game is meant to be fun. The trick is that we all have different ideas of fun.

These different ideas are completely ok in their local metas.

In a local scene you can say, "Hey Jim. I'm not really interested in playing if you are running that annoying list again."

But we can't make those decisions at a broad level. Sportsmanship is necessary to deal with opponents courteously, but X-Wing must be judged as a game by the rules as written. When individual preferences begin to shape the rules-allowing or disallowing certain ships or combos-we only hurt the game. Others have different ideas of fun and the rules need to allow for all. At the end of the day, if both players cannot agree with what is allowed, these rules must be the arbiter. Ideally, the players would discuss the disagreement and reach a conclusion. If that doesn't happen though, calling a move cheesy,beardy, or what have you does nothing to help anyone. It is not fun and it has nothing to do with the rules.