Look at popular "Harry Potter" Prison of Askaban, when he leaves the tavern and his friends see his footprints, while it is actively snowing. It doesn't collect on his form.

You mean the film that has an entire shot just showing him leaving footprints in the snow?

Previous techs required huge sources of power let alone limiting energy uses, so without any real mention of how works, I more dismiss this "fluff" to sell a videogame

I'd hardly say Rebel Assault II's selling point was the two shots in the whole game where the phantom cloak/decloaks.

Personally, I think FFG did a really good job of picking some iconic EU fighters that still look familiar enough to those who have only seen the movies. You can tell that the Defender and Phantom are tie's of some sort, and the Z-95 and the E-Wing are both clearly related to the X-Wing even to those who have never checked out the EU.

I think that will be what wave 5 will be as well. Ships that are all still clearly recognizable as Star Wars for the most part. They have at least one more wave where they can pick and choose among the cream of the EU crop. And I think they have to as I don't think the Rebels series will have enough new ships right away for a new wave. And FFG still has no idea what that series' reception will be among their core fanbase.

FFG clearly knows who they're targeting. Which is why they have released nothing relating to the clone wars in all their Star Wars games. So I don't think they're going to try to woo a bunch of children into the game using the Rebels series. They'll only use that as a source if it seems to resonate with the older fans who are more likely to buy FFG's products.

With Wizkids bringing in ground combat with their new dragon flightpath game, it wouldn't surprise me if we see Star Wars ground combat as an accessory to this game in 2015. Like Epic play, it would just be another play type.

Though I'm not a purist myself, I think a purist could stay competitive even in a tournament environment as long as they buy the aces type repaint sets and are willing to buy key upgrade cards on the secondary market.

This game is really well balanced that way.

EU ships so far have all been from the amazing era of lucasarts pc games which I have many fond memories of so I am all too eager to pick them up. I think they can get through wave 6 without having to get into anything too out there. Past that they should have movie 7 to work with.

Loving the new ships and the game play.

I'm all in with Wave 4.

I'm a big fan of the EU. E-Wings and Tie Defenders are a big draw for me, and I'm preordered for quite a few. I'm all for future expansions incorporating more EU ships. If power creep is avoided, they can add valuable layers to what started out as a pretty simplistic game.

Didn't read this whole thread so I don't know if this was mentioned, but you are already playing with EU stuff. I never heard Kath Scarlett's name mentioned in any movie or 'Howlrunner'.

I thought the KOTOR stuff would be too old?? time span wise...

KOTOR takes place about 3,900 BBY. The MMO SWTOR takes place 3,653 BBY. So those are about 4,000 years prior to the battle of Yavin.

As far as Wave 4 and beyond.

This is my criteria in order.

Does the ship add something to the game?

Does the ship look like it belongs in the SW universe?

I like the Z-95 and few the E-Wing as a mod in XvT. Never saw the Phantom, and didn't care much for the Defender in Tie Fighter, too powerful of a ship.

But I'm buying all of them because first off, they provide more options for the game. Second because they're all SW to me.

Threads like this crack me up lol..

EU has been part of the game since wave 1. But now its suddenly a problem? Hilarious.

Didn't read this whole thread so I don't know if this was mentioned, but you are already playing with EU stuff. I never heard Kath Scarlett's name mentioned in any movie or 'Howlrunner'.

She may not have been mentioned by name, but Howlrunner was in Empire Strikes Back. ;-)

Does the ship add something to the game?

Does the ship look like it belongs in the SW universe?

This. Although, I'll add that I'd personally rather see more EU fighters than the huge ships being released. I'll pick up with transport because it has an x-wing in it and I want the cards for that x-wing. I'm not likely to pick up the Tantive.

I'd also love to, at some point, be able to field a bounty hunter fleet; including Hound's Tooth, Punishing One, Mist Hunter, and IG-2000 to partner with Slave 1. Yeah, I know the points would be too high; but I want what I want.

EU has been part of the game since wave 1. But now its suddenly a problem? Hilarious.

The issues most people have is with the ships not the EU. They don't care what the name of the pilot is really.

They just don't like the E-Wing or Defender because either they don't like how it looks, or it just lacks the emotional impact that the X-Wing or Tie Interceptor do.

EU has been part of the game since wave 1. But now its suddenly a problem? Hilarious.

The issues most people have is with the ships not the EU. They don't care what the name of the pilot is really.

They just don't like the E-Wing or Defender because either they don't like how it looks, or it just lacks the emotional impact that the X-Wing or Tie Interceptor do.

Or they don't think the ships are a decent fit for the setting.

There may be any number of reasons.

The more I read posts and research EU, the less I am actually liking the game. For me, I would separate actual pilots from ships. This relieves the ridiculousness of putting is such watered down / low quality EU stuff.

For examples Kath Scarlet - She's just someone made up for SWG TCG WTF? What is the point in that? Excluding the fact that you have to gimp all aspects of the ship let alone boba fett himself in order to put him in tabletop game, but why would you force these near nonexistant other pilots to WELL KNOW ships. For crying out loud, it's an original ship!

The more I read posts and research EU, the less I am actually liking the game.

Clearly you're not reading enough. Not if you're coming to the conclusion you are...

The Firespray is not Boba Fett's ship, it's just the ship that he happens to fly in. There were tons of those ships made.

Didn't read this whole thread so I don't know if this was mentioned, but you are already playing with EU stuff. I never heard Kath Scarlett's name mentioned in any movie or 'Howlrunner'.

You may have also missed reading the second word in the OP's title.

She may not have been mentioned by name, but Howlrunner was in Empire Strikes Back. ;-)

The HWK is EU and he's got 2 of those.

Didn't read this whole thread so I don't know if this was mentioned, but you are already playing with EU stuff. I never heard Kath Scarlett's name mentioned in any movie or 'Howlrunner'.

You may have also missed reading the second word in the OP's title.

She may not have been mentioned by name, but Howlrunner was in Empire Strikes Back. ;-)

The HWK is EU and he's got 2 of those.

The more I read posts and research EU, the less I am actually liking the game.

Clearly you're not reading enough. Not if you're coming to the conclusion you are...

The Firespray is not Boba Fett's ship, it's just the ship that he happens to fly in. There were tons of those ships made.

Slave 1, in which Boba Fett pilots, is an original ship by thought and design.

My point is, the fact that your going to put the most infamous "style" of ship with some other lame / near non-existant EU pilots is my issue. I.E Kath Scarlet who only existence was made up for a card game from 08'

That is my issue w/ pulling stuff from EU, because the lack of continuity / canon levels.

Slave 1, in which Boba Fett pilots, is an original ship by thought and design.

So is every other ship in the game...

That is my issue w/ pulling stuff from EU, because the lack of continuity / canon levels.

See most people I get, they have an issue with the design, look, feel or even emotions attached to given ships. They aren't interested in the E-Wing because to them it doesn't look or feel like Star Wars.

But based on your logic, I trust you don't play with any named Tie Pilot, be it Fighter, Interceptor or Bomber, because those are all products of the EU. Even Howlrunner was never named on screen. Her call sign was from a card game as well.

So that leaves you Vader in a Advanced, generic ties, Fett in Slave 1 and that's about it... Because if your issue is with the pilot, then you are very, very limited on what you can do in an Imperial list.

Big fan of the EU - grew up playing the X-Wing / TIE series of games, reading the novels and comics - I want FFG to keep doing what they're doing! Everyone I've talked to knows the Gunboat will be on the list FFG have to produce

Slave 1, in which Boba Fett pilots, is an original ship by thought and design.

So is every other ship in the game...

Original in regards to Ep V which has lead to multiple stories of this infamous Bounty hunter. Not about a 1 time made up chick for a card game that was base of a video game.

That is my issue w/ pulling stuff from EU, because the lack of continuity / canon levels.

See most people I get, they have an issue with the design, look, feel or even emotions attached to given ships. They aren't interested in the E-Wing because to them it doesn't look or feel like Star Wars.

But based on your logic, I trust you don't play with any named Tie Pilot, be it Fighter, Interceptor or Bomber, because those are all products of the EU. Even Howlrunner was never named on screen. Her call sign was from a card game as well.

So that leaves you Vader in a Advanced, generic ties, Fett in Slave 1 and that's about it... Because if your issue is with the pilot, then you are very, very limited on what you can do in an Imperial list.

I never stated "No EU - Only Ep. 4-6" again, it's about the quality and thought of what to pick. They could have made a whole "Bounty Hunters" expansion. Secondly, Howlrunner is piloting a standard issue TIE, so this doesn't apply to what I'm talking about. You have TIE pilots up the wazoo. Star Destroyer employs 72 TIEs, pick anyone generic name and give him a brief story. Sure, but when you use an iconic specialty ship Slave 1, then revert that back to stock ship, then give 1 time pilot specifically made in a card game.

No apply this to YT-1300, we all know Millenium Falcon, first Han, then Lando, etc. Good old "unique" bird. Now, it was a mass produce ship that lasted well into 40 ABY. SAME SHIP production. Which estimated 72BBY started production 112 years steadily made. Compared to:

"Blue: "Torn one beat-up Firespray right down to the frame and rebuilt it—"

Antilles: "A Firespray? I thought those ships were just legend!"

―Deliah Blue and Ona Antilles

I have only dabbled in the EU, the quality was... inconsistent. The headhunter and phantom are cool enough for me to want one or two, and the E-Wing and Defender are... well ok enough that I will buy one, I just won't rush to do it. The Mouldy Crow fell in that category. It was in a game I played and just OK enough that I picked it up.

That said, there are ships that I just couldn't do. They are too ugly, funky or whatever and they have no emotional connection. I cannot think of the cards interesting enough to get me to buy a Sun Crusher. Discard this card and WIN!... nope, not even doing it for tournament play. But if they released a Sun Crusher, someone would be happy about it.

But it is not like the movies were without sin. I can think of a ship I would not want to see make it into the game. Though weird compulsions would drive me to pick one up if they did.

Z-95 Which the design / production story makes sense. It's based of regular fighter jet really. As for SW, successors of Z-95 are:

Incom/Subpro Z-95 Headhunter, 1979

Incom/Subpro ARC-170, designed during the Clone Wars, 2004

Clone Z-95 starfighter, also made in the Clone Wars, 2011 (assimilation)

Incom T-65 X-wing, designed shortly before the outbreak of the Galactic Civil War. 1977

So, for me, Z/X are just fine solid canon.

The firespray saw MASS production as planetary defense craft, multiple times referenced in the X-wing books. The EU is were any named pilot has been given any traits outside of screen time pilots. During the credit scroll did you ever see the names howlrunner, backstabber, and mauler in there? No? That's what I thought. If you have a problem with EU that is fine, but don't try to justify your logic of using EU pilots then saying its stupid in the same breath, it doesn't hold weight. I personally love all the craft coming out but think the back end of the E should of been smoothed out, right now it is too blocky.

When it comes down to, you have the choice in what you buy, but don't try shaming people that like other things, you have no right to nor do you deserve preferential treatment for being a purist.

I'm not overly interested in the EU ships either. And, if I just played casually I probably wouldn't buy them either. Between a few of the ships and several of the new upgrades, I don't see how you'll be able to play competitively without them. So, I'm getting too many of each even though I don't really care for them.