Rebel Aces Question

By cubby09, in X-Wing

I think the real difference between Expose, Outmaneuver, and Predator is potential. Both Outmaneuver and Predator are still hampered by the 2 dice damage cap. At R2, an awing can only do 2 damage. Predator and Outmaneuver only insure that those 2 damage actually happen. Expose raises the damage ceiling. An Awing can now do 3 damage at R2. With a previous TL and a focus that round, it should create 3 hits. An Awing that could 1 shot an interceptor (without relying on direct hit crits) is a wonderful thing. PTL + Expose on Tycho sounds really dangerous to me.

I think the real difference between Expose, Outmaneuver, and Predator is potential. Both Outmaneuver and Predator are still hampered by the 2 dice damage cap. At R2, an awing can only do 2 damage. Predator and Outmaneuver only insure that those 2 damage actually happen. Expose raises the damage ceiling. An Awing can now do 3 damage at R2. With a previous TL and a focus that round, it should create 3 hits. An Awing that could 1 shot an interceptor (without relying on direct hit crits) is a wonderful thing. PTL + Expose on Tycho sounds really dangerous to me.

AT that point you might as well just play a different ship. 24 points for a PTL GSP with Expose isn't as good as an rookie X-wing... Not when you're using one of your actions to Expose most of the time.

I think the real difference between Expose, Outmaneuver, and Predator is potential. Both Outmaneuver and Predator are still hampered by the 2 dice damage cap. At R2, an awing can only do 2 damage. Predator and Outmaneuver only insure that those 2 damage actually happen. Expose raises the damage ceiling. An Awing can now do 3 damage at R2. With a previous TL and a focus that round, it should create 3 hits. An Awing that could 1 shot an interceptor (without relying on direct hit crits) is a wonderful thing. PTL + Expose on Tycho sounds really dangerous to me.

AT that point you might as well just play a different ship. 24 points for a PTL GSP with Expose isn't as good as an rookie X-wing... Not when you're using one of your actions to Expose most of the time.

You're paying 3 points for a better dial and the ability to boost, though. At the expense of 1 hull point.

I think the real difference between Expose, Outmaneuver, and Predator is potential. Both Outmaneuver and Predator are still hampered by the 2 dice damage cap. At R2, an awing can only do 2 damage. Predator and Outmaneuver only insure that those 2 damage actually happen. Expose raises the damage ceiling. An Awing can now do 3 damage at R2. With a previous TL and a focus that round, it should create 3 hits. An Awing that could 1 shot an interceptor (without relying on direct hit crits) is a wonderful thing. PTL + Expose on Tycho sounds really dangerous to me.

AT that point you might as well just play a different ship. 24 points for a PTL GSP with Expose isn't as good as an rookie X-wing... Not when you're using one of your actions to Expose most of the time.

I think I disagree with this. The green has a PS3, better than the rookie's PS2. The Green has a better dial, no 1S or 1B but lots of green and a 1T. And for those times that the Rook will take shots and not get a return shot, he can only focus his two greens. In that same spot the Awing can PTL Evade and focus his 3 greens. That evade ability is the same as a 4 point shield upgrade on the rookie each time the token is used. The real problem with expose on a green is that it moves early, so it's unknown if it should expose. This is why I suggested Tycho, or even Jake, they move late enough that they can know if they should Expose.

Different people different strategies, I dunno, but I think it's worth exploring.

I think the real difference between Expose, Outmaneuver, and Predator is potential. Both Outmaneuver and Predator are still hampered by the 2 dice damage cap. At R2, an awing can only do 2 damage. Predator and Outmaneuver only insure that those 2 damage actually happen. Expose raises the damage ceiling. An Awing can now do 3 damage at R2. With a previous TL and a focus that round, it should create 3 hits. An Awing that could 1 shot an interceptor (without relying on direct hit crits) is a wonderful thing. PTL + Expose on Tycho sounds really dangerous to me.

AT that point you might as well just play a different ship. 24 points for a PTL GSP with Expose isn't as good as an rookie X-wing... Not when you're using one of your actions to Expose most of the time.

You're paying 3 points for a better dial and the ability to boost, though. At the expense of 1 hull point.

Expose to get up to 3 attack dice just isn't worth the cost. Think of it this way. What would you rather have. R7-whatever on a Rookie X-wing or an Expose A-wing with PTL. The answer should almost always be the r7-X-wing as 5 Hull lets you survive a lot more than 4. It's almost always another attack worth of. Beyond that Expose is, and always will be, terrible. Take a list of all expose A-wings. Compare to a list of other A-wing setups that let you get 5 ships. The 5 ship build, while sporting less total attack dice, is still better. Once Chardaan rolls out you'll be able to run 5 PTL green squadrons. Or 4 with Expose. And the 5 will almost always win for a reason.

Personally I will never cut down on the A Wing evasion dice, that is her bread and butter.

It may seem tempting but I know the one time I cut down by 1 evade die is the time some Interceptor or Dark curse will shoot me in the butt and I will die by one evade die lol

I actually want to put Dare Devil on Arvel as the turn can crash you into opponents and being able to shoot them with 3 dice and them not shooting back sounds way fun!

I actually want to put Dare Devil on Arvel as the turn can crash you into opponents and being able to shoot them with 3 dice and them not shooting back sounds way fun!

That is something I can get behind....love Arvel just hated the no EPT slot on him before

The only ship I might, and really just might, put expose on is Corran Horn with FCS since he can attack 2 times in one round and get a TL for the second attack. Other than that, you are better served with another upgrade or another ship.

Vader always could do 2 actions a turn without any stress and I don't consider Expose a good EPT choice for him. I don't see why it would be better on a A-Wing that essentially have the same stats. Tycho with PtL and Expose with the Refit is 31pts, only 2 less than Vader with Expose.

My philosophy when taking an EPT for a pilot is to reinforce his already build-in strenghts, not try to work around a weakness. So for an A-Wing, I'll build around his speed, maneuvrability and agility. Veteran Instinct, Elusiveness, Expert Handling, Wingman, Daredevil, Outmaneuver, Predator, Push the Limit and Opportunist are all EPT that I believe fits more an A-Wing than Expose.

If I put the Awing title on Tycho and gave PTL and Daredevil...is this hyper mobility worth the 32 point cost?

I say no. Not with Jake Farrell around. If you want a hyper mobile A-wing take Jake with PtL and whatever else you like (I like VI so he can make the most out of his mobility). I don't think Tycho can compete with Jake in cost/effectiveness.

Last I checked no rule against taking both :)

If I put the Awing title on Tycho and gave PTL and Daredevil...is this hyper mobility worth the 32 point cost?

I say no. Not with Jake Farrell around. If you want a hyper mobile A-wing take Jake with PtL and whatever else you like (I like VI so he can make the most out of his mobility). I don't think Tycho can compete with Jake in cost/effectiveness.

Daredevil is a lot better than barrel roll, the cost might be better for Jake, and he gets an extra action but Tycho is much more maneuverable.

You say that like Jake can't take Daredevil. Tycho is free to do Daredevil first, but if you build them the same, Jake will have always have wider set of options.

Why would someone put DD on Jake though? Yes, he can take it, but he ability is a PTL-lite as it is... He should pretty much be taking focus every turn and then BR or Boosting. If he does DD, not only does he not get the focus, but then he is stressed and can't receive any free actions from anyone else to use his ability with others (Kyle, Garven and Cracken come to mind). I don't think DD on Jake would be a good thing.

Tycho on the otherhand, can grab DD and PTL if he wants and DD then boost, or whatever, since stress doesn't concern him (kinda like asteroids don't concern someone else!). Note that you can't use DD as the second action from PTL because it has to be an action on the action bar, which DD isn't.

Derp alert. Yeah I forgot about the action bar part of PtL, my bad.

No DD on Jake then.