Simple question I guess and possibly also a stupid one but I searched the forum a bit so needed to ask.

If I'm using the shield upgrade card is it expected to have a shield token? It would seem to make sense but equally spare shield tokens don't seem to be included.

And while I'm asking, does R2D2 allow you to recover shields up to the upgraded amount or just the base amount on a ship.

Thanks all.

James

Yes, you're supposed to put another shield token on your ship card.

R2-D2 lets you recover shields up to the upgraded amount.

So to answer your first question, for tournaments you will need all shield tokens for the amount that are activated so if you have an xwing with 2 shields and put a shield upgrade on it you will then need 3 shield tokens to represent the 2 base shields and 1 extra provided by the upgrade. You will end up with extras if you buy more expansions or just order some acrylic ones from one of the 3rd party vendors. And as far as your 2nd question yes r2-d2 does allow you to recover up to your max shields which include upgrades.

Thanks for the info both. Guess I'll have to forget about using the shield upgrade for the time being then.

why will you not use the upgrade? do you not have the card?

Yes I have the card but no spare shield tokens. I only have the core set and Falcon so have exactly 7 tokens.

Yes I have the card but no spare shield tokens. I only have the core set and Falcon so have exactly 7 tokens.

Didn't the Falcon have an "extra" shield token or two? I would have assumed it came with enough tokens to power up a named ship using one of the Upgrades included in the box.

If this is a casual game ask if you can proxy a shield token explaining the situation if needed. In an official tournament see if anyone will loan, or even just give, you the couple tokens you need to be 100% legal. I'm not sure how "greedy" some of those players are that have four of everything but if they have them with I'd hope most could spare a couple shields at least on loan.

Didn't the Falcon have an "extra" shield token or two? I would have assumed it came with enough tokens to power up a named ship using one of the Upgrades included in the box.

No it doesn't. As far as I know the falcon shield upgrade is the one instance in the game of the expansion not having everything need for every card it comes with.

To the OP, ax has been said, in a casual game I can't imagine anyone objecting to you just flipping the card over when the first shield gets hit, especially once you explain that you are short a token. In a tourney though, yeah, you could probably find someone with a spare to loan.

As the rules say you must have 1 upgrade card for each upgraded ship, I would say you must use the card counting it as an extra shield token.

If it is not done this way the points cost of the ship would be too low if it is destroyed.

As the rules say you must have 1 upgrade card for each upgraded ship, I would say you must use the card counting it as an extra shield token.

If it is not done this way the points cost of the ship would be too low if it is destroyed.

You need the upgrade card; I don't think that has ever been questioned. The thing is that the card entitles the ship to another Shield Token. The card itself does NOT count as the Shield Token because it is possible to regenerate that token but if you "discard" the upgrade when you should "remove a shield token" you wouldn't be able to do that.

Don't discard it, just flip it face down (and then, obviously, flip it face up again when it regenerates). That should be perfectly adequate for friendly games.

Thanks for the info both. Guess I'll have to forget about using the shield upgrade for the time being then.

Casual, you'll be able to proxy it. Tournament, just buy another ship. If you're a tournament player you're going to be doing that soon enough anyway.

Superfurrymaniac,

PM me your mailing address and I'll send you some. I have more then I'll ever use.

I'm sure someone could borrow you one if it's an issue.

Kind of on the same topic, I assume one the ship loses the shields and take hull damage the shields can't then be regenerated?

Nothing I have found stops a ship from using Shield Regen effects, aka R2D2, just because it has taken Hull Damage.

So the answer is no it can still regain lost shield tokens even after taking hull damage/damage cards.

Kind of on the same topic, I assume one the ship loses the shields and take hull damage the shields can't then be regenerated?

That would be totally wrong.

As a case in point consider the upcoming R2D2 Crew upgrade. It will boost a ship's shield only if it doesn't have any while at the same time flipping a face down damage card so that it is face-up. Hard to flip cards if you don't have any (PS. you don't need any to use the ability) but it will restore shields if you don't have any. Similarly the Chewbacca crew card can negate an incoming damage card and restore a shield even with a stack of damage on the ship to begin with.

There is also no such thing as "Hull Damage" at least not in the way you are thinking about it. A ships "Hull" NEVER goes down (at least not now) but it instead accumulates damage cards until cards >= Hull rating destroys the ship.

As everyone here has said, yes you will need the token.

But then if your playing a friendly game then just use what ever as a proxy token, just be sure your opponent knows what it represents.

If your playing in a tourney then to be honest you really should get another ship, one falcon and one x-wing is not enough firepower to be considered competitive.

As the rules say you must have 1 upgrade card for each upgraded ship, I would say you must use the card counting it as an extra shield token.

If it is not done this way the points cost of the ship would be too low if it is destroyed.

Niall lots of upgrades, like all the munitions, get discarded during play, but the shield upgrade card is not one of them. It still effects the ship, raising the shield value, even when the token is discarded. Which is why se on Luke with r2d2 is such a great combination.

I think I should point out something that might clarify things. Rule book, page 21, there's an insert about component limitations:

• Asteroid obstacle tokens, all cards, plastic ships, bases, and pegs are limited by the quantities included in this game box.
• If players run out of any other tokens, they may use a suitable replacement (such as a coin or bead) as a substitute.
• If players would roll more dice than the maximum number they have available, keep track of the results showing and reroll the dice necessary to equal the total number of dice the player would have rolled all at once. Note that these dice are not considered rerolled for the purposes modifying dice (see “Modifying Dice Results” on page 12).
• In the unlikely event that there are no Damage cards remaining in the deck or discard pile, change all [CRIT] results rolled to [HIT] results. Use a suitable replacement to track additional damage until the deck is replenished.

So, just use something handy. As mentioned, this does NOT apply to tournaments, though if no one in the tournament has a spare shield token to lend you, something is wrong.

Again thanks all for the input. For friendly games I will just proxy something for a token as suggested. In terms of tournament it's really just for the upcoming one in a few weeks I have a problem as I was trying to make a list suggested within my budget. No problem though, there's plenty of upgrades to choose from and I do just consider it a chance to play rather than be seriously competitive given my limited options.

Superfurrymaniac,

PM me your mailing address and I'll send you some. I have more then I'll ever use.

See, it's guys like this that make this such a great community. Kudos to Agedsuperdave. Top stuff!