I began a query in THIS THREAD about whether Wave 4 ships would be allowed at Regionals since they were being released mid tournament season. I emailed FFG and have been contacted by their Organized Play Associate and advised that they currently are legal.

The idea of this thread is to provide feedback to FFG from players regarding whether you feel this is a good idea or not. Please post below and keep it to a single post as to whether you feel this is a good idea or not, and possibly a short description as to why.

Please keep ongoing discussions in THE OTHER THREAD so that we keep this one clean so that I can reply back with a link to this thread to allow FFG to get some simple feedback from not only myself but a larger audience of the community.

And finally vote in this poll:

No.

The allowance of Wave 4 creates a situation where some players will have access to the new ships and cards whilst others do not either because:

• Their local stores weren't able to get sufficient supply in.
• They are having to travel to the Regional event and so aren't able to pick up the ships.
• They have ordered online and are waiting for the ships to arrive via post (6 weeks from release date to receiving my Imperial Aces in my case).

In addition some players won't have had a chance to find out what some of the new cards can do until they have to play against them which can cause confusion in regards to rules queries as well as disadvantages due to unfamiliarity.

Please provide your answer and any feedback below.

My regional is the week before Imdaar Alpha. Given that regionals have started, has anyone looked to see how many regionals will be held after Imdaar Alpha? That's just pre-release prizes. They still won't be in the store then.

On a principle level I agree with what you're saying. From a practical standpoint, I just wonder how many events you're even talking about.

In addition some players won't have had a chance to find out what some of the new cards can do until they have to play against them which can cause confusion in regards to rules queries as well as disadvantages due to unfamiliarity.

This is not a realistic concern. As soon as the first people get their copies (at the prerelease event, before they become legal for tournaments) every card and dial will be posted online. If you fail to research the new options then you have only yourself to blame.

I'm ok with a short delay from release to legal to allow for players to have access to the product. I'm all for them being legal before the end of the regional season if they're released in time though.

I vote no, and point to the current Tournament rules (page 4)

Legal Product

All Star Wars: X-Wing[TM] Miniatures Game componants are legal for sanctioned play unless they are marked with the epic icon (ships with the epic icon [epic] next to the card title on the Ship card can only be fielded in Epic Play) or are temporarily banned from tournament play (such as where a product is released in the midst of a tournament season)

Seens pretty clear to me that they should be temporarily banned as that is the specific example used to show why cards would be temporarily banned.

If we get them during the regionals season, no reason we can't use them at Nationals though.

I vote no, and point to the current Tournament rules (page 4)

Legal Product

All Star Wars: X-Wing[TM] Miniatures Game componants are legal for sanctioned play unless they are marked with the epic icon (ships with the epic icon [epic] next to the card title on the Ship card can only be fielded in Epic Play) or are temporarily banned from tournament play (such as where a product is released in the midst of a tournament season)

Seens pretty clear to me that they should be temporarily banned as that is the specific example used to show why cards would be temporarily banned.

If we get them during the regionals season, no reason we can't use them at Nationals though.

In North America, products are legal upon their release.

that pretty much sums it up for me.

I'd vote no as well. I'll be going to the one at their store, June 14th. Not sure when it'll all be, but won't have a chance to really see how they're going to work or potentially get what I'd want to use. At their store championship the aces had just come out but they didn't let people use them, just the cool red ships they were buying while there, so I'm kind of surprised.

If you read the rules it's seems pretty clear they will be banned for the remaining period of Regionals.

The FAQ only gives an example of why they COULD ban something. However they are under no obligation to automatically ban ships mid cycle. The only thing that matters is if a ship is on the ban list. Therefore as it stands, everything is currently legal. FFG confirmed this, so the interpretation of the FAQ is clear: until the FAQ changes, they are legal.

As for whether or not they will update the FAQ later, or even the day before wave 4 is released...

Difficult to tell. Always in motion, the future is.

People need to stop reading into the possible explanation as to why something may be on the ban-list and realize that there isn't anything currently on the ban-list.

After Imdaar Alpha but before release, no. After they are officially released, sure why not?(And I've heard the arguments, I think they're a little obsessive.) I'd like to see a FAQ entry first, but those take too long.

No. Not until in wide release for everyone.

After Imdaar Alpha but before release, no. After they are officially released, sure why not?(And I've heard the arguments, I think they're a little obsessive.) I'd like to see a FAQ entry first, but those take too long.

This is essentially how the rules are currently set out. Imdaar is not a release so no worries there.

Everyone should play under the same rules. Period.

My regional is the week before Imdaar Alpha. Given that regionals have started, has anyone looked to see how many regionals will be held after Imdaar Alpha? That's just pre-release prizes. They still won't be in the store then.

These are the U.S. regional championships that will be after Imdaar Alpha:

June 14: Roseville, MN

June 21: Kissimmee, FL; Boise, ID

June 28: Mesa, AZ

July 19: Broomfield, CO; Plano, TX; Spokane, WA

July 26: Duluth, GA; Chicago, IL; Cambridge, MA

My regional is the week before Imdaar Alpha. Given that regionals have started, has anyone looked to see how many regionals will be held after Imdaar Alpha? That's just pre-release prizes. They still won't be in the store then.

These are the U.S. regional championships that will be after Imdaar Alpha:

June 14: Roseville, MN

June 21: Kissimmee, FL; Boise, ID

June 28: Mesa, AZ

July 19: Broomfield, CO; Plano, TX; Spokane, WA

July 26: Duluth, GA; Chicago, IL; Cambridge, MA

The Imdaar event is not a release. Under no reading of the event rules will ships won at them be legal for an event. This is not part of the issue being discussed here.

Everyone should play under the same rules. Period.

Everybody at the same event, yes. I hardly count different regionals as linked, let alone the same event. Whatever the ships available, the players who make the best use of what they have will win. It isn't like winning a regional with new ships will give them an advantage over winning with old ones. If players want to get wave 4 ships they'll do so, and have them to use.

The Imdaar event is not a release. Under no reading of the event rules will ships won at them be legal for an event. This is not part of the issue being discussed here.

That is what I assumed as well, but then I re-read the Tournament FAQ carefully. It says nothing about the product release state. Key phrase:

Why would they ban the CR-90? It has an "epic" icon. It can only be used in epic play.

I would vote no until release... except that people who are in tournaments probably have a good idea of what is upcoming anyway, and if not, their own loss. So it's yes from me.

The Imdaar event is not a release. Under no reading of the event rules will ships won at them be legal for an event. This is not part of the issue being discussed here.

That is what I assumed as well, but then I re-read the Tournament FAQ carefully. It says nothing about the product release state. Key phrase:

All ... components are legal ... unless they are marked with the epic icon ... or temporarily banned from tournament play.

Release state is irrelevant. Khyros pointed out that you could win a wave 4 ship at an Imdaar event on Saturday, and then use it on Sunday, for example. Nothing in the FAQ prohibits wave 4 from being used in sanctioned events, and FFG replied that they are currently legal (by definition, since they are not on the exclude list).

All Star Wars: X-Wing™ Miniatures Game components are legal for

sanctioned play unless they are marked with the epic icon (ships with the epic

icon ( ) next to the card title on the Ship card can be fielded only in Epic Play),

or temporarily banned from tournament play (such as when a product is

released in the midst of a tournament season ).

Only official models, cards and tokens can be used in tournaments (proxies of

cards and ships cannot be used), and third-party range rulers and movement

templates must be agreed upon by all match participants before the game.

In North America, products are legal upon their release . Competitors outside

North America should check with their TO to determine which products are

tournament legal.

Components can only be modified as described under “Component

Modifications” on page 1. If the Star WarsTM Dice app is used, the app

must be displayed in full view of both players at all times.

This and other supported documents for FFG Organized Play can be accessed

from the FFG Organized Play Support Page: http://www.fantasyflightgames .

com/opsupport

I misspoke, there technically is no requirement that a product be fully released to be usable in a tournament. So they will have to specifically ban wave 4 after the Assault at Imdaar to prevent its use by players that won those prizes. We should probably expect a ban of CR-90 and wave 4 given the highlighted text above.

You are skipping over the "In North America, all products are legal upon release" clause in the second paragraph. I've bolded the section.

A product can not be legal until released, unless you want to argue a prize in an event is a release then the argument ends there. I don't get why posters are stopping at the first paragraph and not reading the whole passage.

No release announcement, not marked Available on FFGs website, not released. Products are not legal until released as per the quoted section. Release state absolutely is not irrelevant, it is directly stated otherwise.

Admittedly FFG did a poor formatting job of just tacking on the new entry about a possible ban list and epic components just in front of the standard info.

You are skipping over the "In North America, all products are legal upon release" clause in the second paragraph. I've bolded the section.

A product can not be legal until released, unless you want to argue a prize in an event is a release then the argument ends there. I don't get why posters are stopping at the first paragraph and not reading the whole passage.

No release announcement, not marked Available on FFGs website, not released. Products are not legal until released as per the quoted section. Release state absolutely is not irrelevant, it is directly stated otherwise.

Ah-HA! I had it right the first time and then second guessed myself! Right, so it doesn't apply to Imdaar, but it does to Regionals.

Simple and easy is it legal questionnaire.

1. Are you in North America?

• Yes- Proceed to question 2
• No- Ask your TO he has final say on all legality

2. Is the component in question released?

• Yes- Proceed to question 3
• No- Not legal.

3. Is the component on a ban list?

• Yes- Not Legal
• No- Legal

Epic play rules not withstanding of course.

I would be extremely disappointed if FFG made Wave 4 legal for the Regionals that occur after its release.