Imagine this:

A deluxe starter set, with enough ships to make two 100 point squads.

For the rebels, 2 x-wings, and 2 y-wings (replace y-wings with other ships, but at least 2 x wings)

For the imperials, 4 Tie Fighters, 2 Interceptors, and an Advanced.

New pilots and upgrades (of course)

10 Dice, and plastic tokens, templates, and dials.

Maybe even include a space mat?

And charge $150 for everything.

Now that would be cool...

No. Not anymore. I have all the X-Wings I want. Same goes with most of the ships you mentioned. I'd rather not spend 100+ bucks on ships I don't want for new pilots. I can see if they did this with wave 5. Have a special Collectors edition Wave 5 with a few of each ship and special stuff inside, but allow for regular purchases of the ships without the tokens and whatnot too. That I would I enjoy.

At first I was like: "uh, what a great idea a deluxe s.s.!!" Then I read this:

I'd rather not spend 100+ bucks on ships I don't want for new pilots.

good point!

I don't think a starter set would sell well at that price point , assuming you are trying to bring new players into the game that is. How many people who have never played are going to spend that kind of money on something they are unfamiliar with? I think the aces pack is a better way to go.

It's a nice idea but it's a tough asking price, 1) FFG seems like they are slow and steady with X-wing, not really taking big risks in both quantities and products. 2) As Aminar pointed out most people have the basics already so its really only for the new kids but $150 asking price will send them running theres a reason why the core is relatively cheaper its too lure you in, and lure you in it does.

Though I'm not against the idea, maybe if they released 2 Ties & X Wing with all new pilots upgrades, either acrylic tokens/templates/dice or whatever and charged either the same or slightly higher would be great but I don't see it happening. Its gonna be marketable for everyone

**** ninjaed

No. Not anymore. I have all the X-Wings I want. Same goes with most of the ships you mentioned. I'd rather not spend 100+ bucks on ships I don't want for new pilots. I can see if they did this with wave 5. Have a special Collectors edition Wave 5 with a few of each ship and special stuff inside, but allow for regular purchases of the ships without the tokens and whatnot too. That I would I enjoy.

So let's also focus on that this would be a "Starter" set. Meaning for those who don't have a boat load of ships already....

I am pretty new to this, so it is more appealing to me.

So maybe some other type of collectable starter set, with something other than x-wing and 2 ties. Maybe like a B-wing and two interceptors (or maybe with something new that has yet to be announced).

If you included the same pilots as from the core + w1 expansions, then fine, do whatever you want. However... as soon as you put new content in it, it's no longer "just for newbies." You'll get the same complaints as those that don't want the transport but need the X wing cards from it. Except even more people will scream even louder.

But if you wanted to do a "Deluxe Set" that was X+Y and 2 TIEs + /x1 and included the core game cards (biggs, luke, dutch, horton, winged gundark, dark curse, mauler mithel, steele, vader) and the same upgrades (or even putting standards like PTL and EU/SU, as long as there's no NEW cards) then go right ahead.

If you want to make acrylic tokens to make it even more appealing, as long as they're different from the ones you win, then why not.

And if we price this out... it's 5 ships @ 15 = 75... less discount plus additional content (tokens)... price it ~$70 MSRP so the folks that know they'll be buying ships would be more inclined to get the deluxe, but it doesn't make the folks that bought the starter and then bought the expansions feel like they got slighted.

No. Not anymore. I have all the X-Wings I want. Same goes with most of the ships you mentioned. I'd rather not spend 100+ bucks on ships I don't want for new pilots. I can see if they did this with wave 5. Have a special Collectors edition Wave 5 with a few of each ship and special stuff inside, but allow for regular purchases of the ships without the tokens and whatnot too. That I would I enjoy.

So let's also focus on that this would be a "Starter" set. Meaning for those who don't have a boat load of ships already....

I am pretty new to this, so it is more appealing to me.

It's a nice idea but it's a tough asking price, 1) FFG seems like they are slow and steady with X-wing, not really taking big risks in both quantities and products. 2) As Aminar pointed out most people have the basics already so its really only for the new kids but $150 asking price will send them running theres a reason why the core is relatively cheaper its too lure you in, and lure you in it does.

Though I'm not against the idea, maybe if they released 2 Ties & X Wings with all new pilots upgrades, either acrylic tokens/dials/templates/dice or whatever and charged either the same or slightly higher would be great but I don't it happening. Its gonna be marketable for everyone

So maybe some other type of collectable starter set, with something other than x-wing and 2 ties. Maybe like a B-wing and two interceptors (or maybe with something new that has yet to be announced).

Personally, while it's a cool idea, I don't see it working well, for a few reasons:

If you include anything unique in it, you are basically punishing the majority of your playerbase, who absolutely DO NOT need anymore of those basic ships, but would probably want your unique offerings.

For people just getting into the game it's a bad prospect because they have to already be sure they want to get into it and it's a much bigger investment, and also they are locked into the subset of ships FFG chose, which is FAR from a certainty in this game. The basic starting set works great for this. Pretty much everyone can use an X-Wing and two Ties. Throw in some Y-Wings, or A-Wings, and you have something alienating a large chunk of prospective buyers.

I think this would only appeal to a small subset of players: those just getting into the game, who know they like it and want to go all in, and who want the subset of ships FFG chose. And I don't think that's a big enough market to justify this type of product. Better to just split any unique items up into individual purchases.

A good alternative would be to have a starter BUNDLE. Give a slight discount for a starter set and expansions for all the ships you mentioned. You still make it easier and cheaper for new players to get in, without punishing anyone, or taking any of the financial risks involved in launching a new product.

I feel like $100+ is too much for a starter set. I could see something like a bulk expansion thing instead, but not that much for a starter set. Let's remember the purpose of the starters: to get people started, hooked, and get them to go out and buy more stuff.

I would like to see a world champ box set as a starter DLX,

$100 - XXBB with tokens, Pilot cards, 2 sets of dice, rules, templates and upgrade cards - Rebels

$100 - Tie Fig x 7 with tokens, Pilot cards, 2 sets of dice, rules, templates, upgrade cards- Empire

I think that would be a super cool thing if the ships had different paint jobs and bio on how the list flies with a recap of the match up as a guide how to play. I think it would be a great thing for new players to see how the game works and to know they have a proven list that works. It would also spot light the world champs.

MTG does the same thing each year I really think this could work.

I thought there was already a deluxe starter. It's 2 starter sets, 1 x-wing ,and 1 tie fighter.

I thought there was already a deluxe starter. It's 2 starter sets, 1 x-wing ,and 1 tie fighter.

Hehe, yep!

Seriously though, the current starter is magic as is.

Just enough to wet your appetite for more, but priced right so that you don't break the bank getting in.

...Look at another thread currently running to see some folks opinions on the $60 transport and you'll see that $150 for a deluxe starter is akin to asking for the moon.

I would like to see a world champ box set as a starter DLX,

$100 - XXBB with tokens, Pilot cards, 2 sets of dice, rules, templates and upgrade cards - Rebels

$100 - Tie Fig x 7 with tokens, Pilot cards, 2 sets of dice, rules, templates, upgrade cards- Empire

I think that would be a super cool thing if the ships had different paint jobs and bio on how the list flies with a recap of the match up as a guide how to play. I think it would be a great thing for new players to see how the game works and to know they have a proven list that works. It would also spot light the world champs.

MTG does the same thing each year I really think this could work.

If you want it to be a STARTER SET and not for those who already own tons of ***** then it CANNOT include NEW pilots and upgrades.

The problem with a faction-specific starter is the number of ships. You're either asking people to pay more per ship for a Rebel pack than an Imperial pack, or you're going to have to make the Rebel pack cheaper, which will lead to more people just starting with Rebels.

Plus, a common theme with the X-Wing expansions is that the best upgrades for them come in other expansions. The TIE needs the TIE expansion for Howlrunner. The X-Wing needs the X-Wing expansion for Garven and Wedge, and the Y-Wing Expansion for the R2. The B-Wing needs the Lambda for Advanced Sensors. The Lambda needs the B-Wing for FCS and the Falcon for Engine Upgrade. Lots of ships need either Aces or A-Wing for PTL. The HWK is probably the only ship that really has all the upgrades it could need in the box.

I too have thought about a "new" core set, but it would need to be around the same price as the current. Maybe $10 more. My thought was an Imperial Core and a Rebel Core.

The only difference between these specialized sets is they would come with 4 ships of the same faction. It's 100 points in a box and all the pieces you need to play the game.

So let's also focus on that this would be a "Starter" set. Meaning for those who don't have a boat load of ships already....

I am pretty new to this, so it is more appealing to me.

It might be appealing to you, but it won't be for many people.

• If you're new to the game, you probably aren't ready to dish extra money for plastic tokens and stuff.
• And once you're into the game and start wanting plastic tokens, you probably already have most of the ships in the pack and would rather complete your collection with ships you don't yet have instead of getting doubles, triples or more of ships.

And people who aren't interested in epic play already find the X-Wing pilots included in the Transport to be a hard sell... 65$ for one X-Wing and a few pilots?

I also doubt they'd include a play mat or acrylic tokens. Don't get me wrong, I'd pre-order acrylic tokens, templates and translucent dice in a second. But they've canceled their space tiles and if they sell acrylic tokens, people will have less incentive to play in store tournaments. And getting people to play in stores, in public, generates interest for the game and drives sales.

I really love the Aces Packs they're coming out with! One of the best ideas they've had!

Now, if only they'd make one for the TIE Advanced, TIE Bomber and/or Y-Wing...

I feel like $100+ is too much for a starter set.

$80-100 is a pretty common price for starter sets for most other miniature games out there. So that's not really outrageous.

I agree though that any such thing would have to be limited to already published cards, I'd be a good bit less then pleased if they put new pilots into that set.

Imagine this:

A deluxe starter set, with enough ships to make two 100 point squads.

For the rebels, 2 x-wings, and 2 y-wings (replace y-wings with other ships, but at least 2 x wings)

Now that would be cool...

You mean, at least two y-wings?

I feel like $100+ is too much for a starter set.

$80-100 is a pretty common price for starter sets for most other miniature games out there. So that's not really outrageous.

I agree though that any such thing would have to be limited to already published cards, I'd be a good bit less then pleased if they put new pilots into that set.

While it's true that is a very average price for a starter set for a war game, I think a big part of the reason X-Wing is doing SO MUCH BETTER than almost any other game out there is because they DON'T price things at that price point.

I would see it as a risk. They tried doing something different, making a wargame that is actually easy to get into. Their gamble paid off and X-Wing succeeded beyond anyone's expectations. I don't think emulating the business strategies of less successful games is a winning move for FFG.

While it's true that is a very average price for a starter set for a war game, I think a big part of the reason X-Wing is doing SO MUCH BETTER than almost any other game out there is because they DON'T price things at that price point.

Yes and no. It's more about how much you get in the starter pack. The X-Wing starter pack is a good deal, but the markup on that starter kit is actually a fair amount higher then some others.

For $40 retail you're getting $45 worth of miniatures and other stuff. A Warmachine 2 person starter kit that retails for $100 offers about $200 worth of models and other stuff. The Flames of War starter which is $70 offers about $150-200 worth.

Now in those two cases the models you get are more plastic or in someway limited so I'm not listing the full retail price to buy everything. Again, the X-Wing starter set is a great value, but it's actually a higher price per model then other games.

Of course those other games tend to cost more per unit then X-Wing does, so they can give more away...

I don't see a deluxe starter kit being a huge risk though. It wouldn't cost them much to put one together. I don't know if FFG would be interested in making acrylic stuff, but a $75-100 starter set with more models... the only cost would really be in the new packaging required.

I think if they were to do something like this, they would need to break the game into two factions - Rebel and Imperial, obviously - and set the price point for each at $49.99. This would mean including 2 X-Wings and 2 Y-Wings for the Rebel box, with the cards from the original core set and new unique cards for the Y-Wings. I don't think they should reprint the unique cards from the expansion packs.

For the Imperials, I could see 3 TIES and an Advanced with a new version of Vader and some upgrade cards that make the Advanced a little more viable than it is currently.

If the only really unique thing about a delux box set was new pilots I would see that as FFG cashing in as we all like to collect all pilots and upgrades. I like the current way of bringing out new ships, for £11.99 GBP I see that as good value for what you get, extra ship, counters, pilots and upgrades.

I think if they were to do something like this, they would need to break the game into two factions - Rebel and Imperial, obviously - and set the price point for each at $49.99. This would mean including 2 X-Wings and 2 Y-Wings for the Rebel box, with the cards from the original core set and new unique cards for the Y-Wings. I don't think they should reprint the unique cards from the expansion packs.

For the Imperials, I could see 3 TIES and an Advanced with a new version of Vader and some upgrade cards that make the Advanced a little more viable than it is currently.

Maybe 2 Ties, and Advanced, and a Bomber? Honestly, maybe even 2 interceptors, an advanced and a bomber. I think we need at least 100 pts each.

And then for each one include all the pilot cards from the box and the TIE Fighter and X-Wing expansions. And the cards from the other ships (Ys, advanceds, etc.) and maybe some mod cards and missions.

I just want a fun and easy way to get more ships without breaking the bank. I want to see more value to things like the X-wing expansions. As a mostly casual, beginning player, the x-wing expansion and tie fighter expansion are hard to justify when i can get another core box.