I know I will catch some heat from all the people who are " I must win at all costs" or all the rules lawyers out there, but I am speaking my mind and my heart.

I, in my opinion will not be putting the Royal Guard TIE title on ANY TIE's except any who are Royal Guards. I know this flies in the face of some who would put this on any TIE pilot, but I don"t believe in the EU that Baron Soontir Fel ever was a Royal Guard. Please tell me if I'm wrong on that, but I don't believe I am.

There are some who fly a double falcon list, but I attribute this as Han and Chewie ( or even Lando) found another YT-1300 in some boneyard and tricked it out.

Don't get me wrong, I do play to win, but I also play thematically. I really don't know if FFG meant this title on all squints or they wanted on just RG's. I assume not, but why is it titled Royal Guard TIE and not just all TIE's? It does say "TIE Interceptor only" underneath the title.

The credo of some players is "Fly Casual", but mine also includes "Fly Honorably". Peace.

It is not dishonorable to follow the rules even if those rules don't follow the true Star Wars universe to a T. If chewie can find a second YT-1300 in a boneyard, why couldn't Soontir get a promotion to Royal Guard? Not impossible by any means.

Play the way you want to play - whatever way makes you happy. But don't put down people who don't play the way you do by calling them "dishonorable". It's a game. Have fun with it.

I never said it was 'dishonorable' or putting people down on how they play. I don't care what my opponent is playing as long as it is in the structure of the rules. What i said was that is how I will play my squints. And by the way, I do fly a 4 squint list with Soontir Fel as my lead fighter. He is pretty strong without the RG title anyway IMO.

Hey, the EU is dead anyway. Very possible that Fel is now a Royal Guard Clone in the new EU, flying a TIE Bomber...

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The credo of some players is "Fly Casual", but mine also includes "Fly Honorably". Peace.

It sounds more like "Fly RP".

I don't know how double Falcons are acceptable, but using a similar logic of Fell et all using one of the Royal Guard's tricked out Interceptors isn't. I also don't see how being thematic is honorable. But however you want to use things is fine. Just don't judge others if they don't use follow your metrics.

Hey, the EU is dead anyway. Very possible that Fel is now a Royal Guard Clone in the new EU, flying a TIE Bomber...

True. The fantasy stories are now fantasy stories in a fantasy. I say do what you want! (within the rules)

Would it be honorable for the Baron to risk failing his mission by not using a souped-up Tie if he had access to it? Ace squadrons were also more likely to customize their ships, so you can just think of the title that way.

Eh, maybe it's my RPG background, but I typically consider the name on the card one suggestion of the fluff behind it. We have a Royal Guard card, which can represent a Royal Guard tie e.g. a souped up tie interceptor.

In my mind when you put it on Fel it doesn't mean he's a Royal Guard, or necessarily flying a Royal Guard tie. It means he is flying the equivalent of a Royal Guard tie i.e. a souped up interceptor. And how is it any different than any other upgrade interceptors don't have? Stealth devices certainly aren't typically seen on an interceptor, or shields (at least in the time frame the game represents). When you put any upgrade on an interceptor you are doing a special, non-standard modification. So what is wrong with saying, "this interceptor has been modified to similar levels as a Royal Guard interceptor"?

Refluffing abilities is a time honored tradition of wargaming, and is often written right into the rule books.

And dishonorable? Even if it WAS breaking the fluff, pretty sure not role playing your board game isn't a dishonorable action. You're just...not role playing.

Eh, Royal Guard Title is just a name. You can just as easily justify it as the equivalent as Expert Interceptor Title or Advanced Interceptor Title.

Change the verbiage in your mind to fit thematically and you are set. After all the ability to take a second mod has nothing to do with an actual Royal Guard.

reminds me of the wave 2 days where my friends would joke that whoever was using PTL had no pride no honor no justice

You can't fly double falcons, because falcon is a title. You can fly dual yt1300s, which is a model that was produced in some volume, unless someone wants to correct me.

RGT is a title that adds ship modification slots, so it relates more to the ship than the pilot. You may not be able to imagine the Baron standing in to fly a red squint, but that doesn't mean it's dishonorable. Heck, there's even a movie precedent for it when Vader grabbed a random pilot to fill in as his wingman in the battle of Yavin.

There's nothing wrong with flying canon but looking down at people for enjoying the game differently is silly.

I never said it was 'dishonorable' or putting people down on how they play.

By stating that your credo is to "fly honorably" you are insinuating that your style is honorable, and logically to not follow your style would not be honorable.

I never said it was 'dishonorable' or putting people down on how they play. I don't care what my opponent is playing as long as it is in the structure of the rules. What i said was that is how I will play my squints. And by the way, I do fly a 4 squint list with Soontir Fel as my lead fighter. He is pretty strong without the RG title anyway IMO.

You kind of did. The title of your post is "A Matter of Honor!". You close with "The credo of some players is "Fly Casual", but mine also includes "Fly Honorably". Peace."

Presumably, the content of your post is about what you consider honorable behavior.

I'm really not seeing any other way to interpret your position. Either you consider it a matter of honor and flying honorably, or the bookends to your post are totally unrelated to the content.

Also, you can't run double Falcons, only double YT-1300s, oh which there are millions in the galaxy.

By this logic:

Kath Scarlet cannot be flown in an Imperial list.
E-wings cannot be flown in a list containing Garven Dreis, Biggs Darklighter, Dutch Vander, Arvel Crynd or Jek Porkins.
E-wings cannot be flown in a list containing Bright Hope.
B-wings cannot be flown in a list containing Garven Dreis, Biggs Darklighter, Dutch Vander or Jek Porkins.
Slave 1 may only be installed on Boba Fett.
Tetran Cowall may not be flown in the same list as Boba Fett, Darth Vader, Turr Phennir or Soontir Fel.
Mauler Mithel, Backstabber, Winged Gundark and Dark Curse may not be flown in a list containing TIE interceptors, TIE defenders or TIE phantoms.
R5-K6 and R5-D8 may not be used in a list containing E-wings or B-wings.
Royal Guard TIE may only be installed on TIE interceptor pilots flying red interceptors in their art.

Do you follow all of those?

Wel... in the Imperial Aces pack, FFG included

• an Interceptor from the 181st Imperial Fighter Wing
• an Interceptor from the Emperor’s Royal Guard
• 2 Royal Guard TIE title cards

This implies they meant for the card to be used on both the 181st Imperial Fighter Wing and the Emperor’s Royal Guard.

Soontir Fel was the leader of the 181st Imperial Fighter. His pilot card even features an Interceptor with the 181st Imperial Fighter Wing paint job. He seems like the single best candidate for the Interceptor with the 181st paint job.

Put those two facts together and it's quite evident that FFG absolutely meant for Soontir Fel to use the Royal Guard TIE title card.

I think them using Soontir Fel with RG TIE in their example list is a bigger clue.

RG TIE in my mind is a heavily modified TIE interceptor, which Royal Guards usually have. It costs 0 and thus is effectively a rule change that PS5+ pilots can doublemod interceptors.

So if you extend the logic, RG TIEs must equip two mods to be true RG TIEs.

I own one Falcon (YT-1300). I intend to only ever own one. I grew up loving THE Millenium Falcon, and refuse to acknowledge it as a mass-production ship.

But I don't hold anyone else to my arbitrary standard. Play what you want!

I own one Falcon (YT-1300). I intend to only ever own one. I grew up loving THE Millenium Falcon, and refuse to acknowledge it as a mass-production ship.

But I don't hold anyone else to my arbitrary standard. Play what you want!

But that is part of what makes it so lovable! It's not a unique racer, or a high end car, or a luxury car, or some custom job. It's a mustang, or a hot rodded Model-T. Those cars aren't cool because they are totally unique. They are cool because they are a one of a kind modification of a stock, affordable car. The mass produced nature of the ship is PART of what makes the unique modification cool.

The fact that there are other, non-modified YT-1300s out there, as well as other modified YT-1300s is part of what makes the Falcon cool. It's less concept prototype and more hotrod. Which is awesome.

I generally like building thematic lists - not as a rule, just for fun.

but if you really want to be thematic, bring a rebel and imp list to every game in case the other player chooses to play the same side. Nothing more irritating, when your carefully arranged list meets the same guys on the other side.

I refuse to play an upgrade on any ship not featured in said upgrade's artwork.

I refuse to play an upgrade on any ship not featured in said upgrade's artwork.

So no missiles and torpedoes for you?

That's... rather limiting. Especially with Flechette Torpedoes.

I refuse to play an upgrade on any ship not featured in said upgrade's artwork.

So no missiles and torpedoes for you?

I have to preserve the verisimilitude of this space combat at any cost.

I refuse to play an upgrade on any ship not featured in said upgrade's artwork.

So no missiles and torpedoes for you?

I have to preserve the verisimilitude of this space combat at any cost.

How honorable of you!