Everyone loves an underdog

Lining up at the start line against the evil stable owners best genetically modified steroid pumped horse ridden by an arrogant master jockey who is too keen on using his whip on a donkey with three legs and bowl cancer that can barely stand up when you have never ridden before just means you are going to lose.

An underdog, is, like, a girl who rides really well but the evil stable owner won't give her a chance to ride in races because she is a girl on a non-thoroughbred but lightning fast horse she raised from a foal after her gran died.

That Star Destroyer, on the left...

...is that really a thing?

ummm.... sure, why not?

Not sure if anyone linked to it but..... Thursday.

ummm.... sure, why not?

Because it looks totally wonky. Is this some sort of class of SD I've never heard of, or just a weird-ass picture?

Maybe?

It's probably a Praetor Mark II.

For comparison:

(Large Version Here)

I don't know the ships to the sides appear to be smaller than the Imperial class ship in the center, even after adjusting for them being furthur away IMO. And the Praetor Mark II-class is three times the length of an Imperial class.

I don't know the ships to the sides appear to be smaller than the Imperial class ship in the center, even after adjusting for them being furthur away IMO. And the Praetor Mark II-class is three times the length of an Imperial class.

It's a low resolution photo of a space battle with very little imagery to reference distance or scale. That said, a very close examination of the ship on the right makes it look somewhat like a Victory I Class Star Destroyer, so it is possible that the ship to the right is in fact smaller than the ship in the center.

Based on the very little visual information given in the above photo, I'd say it's fairly easy for the ship on the left (from the viewer's perspective) to be a massive Praetor Mark II that's simply much further away. I would imagine that a ship that large is probably slower relative to the Imperial I or Victory I Class Star Destroyers. All it would take for that scene to happen is for the ships to jump into the system simultaneously and begin to maneuver towards the rebel ships they're engaging. It wouldn't take long for the Praetor to fall fairly far behind. I would also argue that there aren't any (known) smaller ships that match the ship on the left as perfectly as the Praetor Mark II.

This image is another good example of how perspective and relative distances can be very difficult to determine in a static space scene. Multiple Star Destroyers of varying class at varying distances all appear to have "incorrect" relative sizes due to the fact that there is nothing in the image to allow the viewer to determine relative distance.

You'll also notice that in the original image, the CEC type craft on the lower left appears to be larger than the CR-90 at the bottom center of the screen, and the X-Wings (and other fighter craft) appear to be disproportionately large compared to the CR-90.

Not arguing with you, but I'm reasonably convinced at this point that the artist was attempting to portray a Praetor Mark II on the left. I could certainly be wrong, of course. Perhaps we'll have a better look at it once the Age of Rebellion Core Rulebook is released next week.

Based on the very little visual information given in the above photo, I'd say it's fairly easy for the ship on the left (from the viewer's perspective) to be a massive Praetor Mark II that's simply much further away. I would imagine that a ship that large is probably slower relative to the Imperial I or Victory I Class Star Destroyers. All it would take for that scene to happen is for the ships to jump into the system simultaneously and begin to maneuver towards the rebel ships they're engaging. It wouldn't take long for the Praetor to fall fairly far behind. I would also argue that there aren't any (known) smaller ships that match the ship on the left as perfectly as the Praetor Mark II.

I agree with much of your post, but unless things have changed significantly, The Praetor is no slower than an Imperial I (or Imperial II), and is actually considerably faster than a Victory I (the Victory II, however, is a different story).

I'm gonna weigh in on the side of the Praetor-II. Just because it CAN go as fast doesn't mean it WILL. There are any number of tactical situations where an Imperial admiral (or Grand Admiral, given it's an SSD) would want to stand off as opposed to close to knife-fighting range. A prime example would be the case of the Executor, which was destroyed as a direct result of such a close-quarters engagement.

I agree it seems to be a Praetor-II (I had never seen one before now). Not only because they look very close, but I see that there's a statblock visible for one in the first two-page spread in the article. Is this ship in the Beta book, too?

Perhaps the praeter ii has been made smaller.

We are in a state of Schrödinger's canon right now.

I agree with much of your post, but unless things have changed significantly, The Praetor is no slower than an Imperial I (or Imperial II), and is actually considerably faster than a Victory I (the Victory II, however, is a different story).

I'm not as familiar with the Praetor-II as I am with some of the other capital ships in the Imperial Navy, and I didn't realize that. I had also (at the time) failed to think to reference the Age of Rebellion Beta to see if there were any listed speeds given. Thanks for pointing it out.

I agree it seems to be a Praetor-II (I had never seen one before now). Not only because they look very close, but I see that there's a statblock visible for one in the first two-page spread in the article. Is this ship in the Beta book, too?

It is, in fact, in the beta.

Perhaps the praeter ii has been made smaller.

We are in a state of Schrödinger's canon right now.

Well, according to the Age of Rebellion Beta and the low-resolution, Bigfoot-on-Home-Video quality preview image from the Core Rulebook, the Praetor Mark II is a Silhouette 9 vehicle, compared to the Silhouette 8 of the Imperial I Star Destroyer. Also, we can clearly see Bigfoot in the bushes.

Since the Age of Rebellion Core Rulebook is going to be published after April 25th, 2014, I would assume (until given other information) that the size has not changed.

It still seems odd that an Imperial I is so small but yeah if it an Imperial-I remains silhouette 8 than 9 would be right for a Praetor-II

It still seems odd that an Imperial I is so small but yeah if it an Imperial-I remains silhouette 8 than 9 would be right for a Praetor-II

Silhouette makes big jumps on the high end. IIRC, the Death Star is mentioned as an example of Silhouette 10.

That could be an Imp-Star Deuce (Imperial Star Destroyer 2) and based on the way they were written up in X-wing novels you could tell the difference between it and a 1 due to size and weapon configuration. Of course when it comes to a thing called a "Star Destroyer" the word they use in front of it probably doesn't matter that much to the person on the receiving end. I believe Episode 1 summed it up best with the general of the Gungan army, "Ouch-time.". As for their configuration I would say that the relative to size thing is based on what they were designed to do. A Victory class Destroyer was smaller and less heavily armed then its Imperial big brother so it would of probably been positioning to provide bombardment support for the Praetor-2. The Praetor-2 was one of the last Star Destroyers that could go to ground and deploy troops so that is why it is back and away (and probably lower then the other two Destroyers in regards to plane). And the Imperial Star Destroyer is doing what it does best which is be a big frigging scary target to throw at the opposition. The Rebels in this case are really trying to get around it probably to stop the Praetor but due to its armaments and the fact it is a fighter carrier the Imperial is a big threat that you simply CAN'T ignore.

It still seems odd that an Imperial I is so small but yeah if it an Imperial-I remains silhouette 8 than 9 would be right for a Praetor-II

Silhouette makes big jumps on the high end. IIRC, the Death Star is mentioned as an example of Silhouette 10.

Yeah I personally would have done it much different but FFG's system works. It will be interesting to see if the smaller cruisers like the MC40As and Strikes are silhouette 6 or 7 in the final form, assuming they appear.

AoR CRB adventure preview.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=4900

So it sound to me like all adventures published for Age of Rebellion so far assume the pcs are already members of the rebellion, ie no "bring them aboard" adventures. My group still has a lot of Edge stuff before I introduce Age stories, so I guess I'll have to create an intro chance on my own. No problem, I'm going to use the sidebars from Wizards Rebellion Sourcebook (1st ed) as a jump on for future rebels.

Just thinking out loud.

So it sound to me like all adventures published for Age of Rebellion so far assume the pcs are already members of the rebellion, ie no "bring them aboard" adventures. My group still has a lot of Edge stuff before I introduce Age stories, so I guess I'll have to create an intro chance on my own. No problem, I'm going to use the sidebars from Wizards Rebellion Sourcebook (1st ed) as a jump on for future rebels.

Just thinking out loud.

Without having read the adventure, it's impossible for us to know, but the teaser-text for Onslaught at Arda I makes me think that it would be very easy to tweak the module into an "introductory" adventure for an Edge of the Empire group.

Let's say that your Edge group gets tasked with delivering some cargo to the Rebel base at Arda I. Shortly thereafter, the Imperial task force arrives, and the rebels suspect the players of setting them up. Now the onus is on the players to not only help fend off the Imperial assault, but also convince the rebels of their loyalty. By helping to reveal the true traitor, the players clear their own names and are offered the opportunity to formally join the Rebellion.

I hope we get stats for the upside down nebulon b "temple class heavy freighter".

I think probably it's upside-down for convenience of page design, so they could put the name/title in the top of the box.

I hope we get stats for the upside down nebulon b "temple class heavy freighter".

Wow... that's bad....

I hope we get stats for the upside down nebulon b "temple class heavy freighter".

Well, I imagine they would look a little bit like this: