They're pretty much a wall of silence about future product releases. You'll get catty responses sometimes but not "We are releasing product X in 2015 Q3".

I wonder about that too. What's the end game plan when all three books are out and they want to release supplements that can be used for any of them? Have the developers said anything in podcasts or anything regarding things like how they are going to brand the dice?

Nope. And the developers won't say anything about future products until there's an official announcement on the website about said project. Closest we've gotten to that sort of thing was Sam Stewart (I believe) hinting that we'd eventually see career sourcebooks for each of the EotE careers, which isn't much of a reveal since by that point we'd already gotten the Explorer and Hired Gun careers.

Though going from what I.J. Thompson said, it seems that for the time being, FFG has no plans to rebrand the dice.

I also thought we would see rebranded dice. I was going to buy a pack as spares.

I really hope we see packs of Force Dice for F&D, because you only get 1 Force Die per EotE pack.

I'm sort of hoping we only get career books for the EotE careers, as some of the AoR careers are similar and I'd rather spend the money on some other type of sourcebook (after buying the EotE ones).

I'm probably alone in this hope however, and I'll admit it causes problems... mostly that not every career would have the Signature Abilities available. (and I DO love Signature Abilities.)

I really hope we see packs of Force Dice for F&D, because you only get 1 Force Die per EotE pack.

A drop down alacarte order selection of each die type and number you would like would be great for all of the dice I think.

There is some indication the main rulebook will be "soon":

versus this other type of cryptic indicator

I realize they are not direct matches, color-wise (and the "Upcoming Products" list probably takes precedence), but we can hope:

versus

It's honestly beginning to annoy me how silent ffg is on their plans and how they never set hard deadlines for themselves and they even manage to miss their extremely soft deadlines.

It's honestly beginning to annoy me how silent ffg is on their plans and how they never set hard deadlines for themselves and they even manage to miss their extremely soft deadlines.

[Devils advocate]

I can understand it. Having had to deal with quality control, shipping, import/export laws, and US Customs for college, things happen that could cause a delay and the fans to howl "YOU SAID IT'D BE OUT NOW! YOU LIED TO US!" On top of this, FFG isn't a gigantic company with the personnel and resources to speed things along at the scale they now work at with the Star Wars liscence. I'm sure they'd like to be, and looking at the 'now hiring' post I've seen I'm sure they're trying, but at the moment they aren't. And even if it wasn't FFG's fault, they probably wouldn't publicly throw their business partners under the bus to assuage the nerd rage, even if fans would listen. I think they're better off keeping release dates nebulous. While this will annoy fans, it tends not to set off the "WE'VE BEEN BETRAYED!" reaction people tend to have when release dates start slipping.

[/devils advocate]

It's honestly beginning to annoy me how silent ffg is on their plans and how they never set hard deadlines for themselves and they even manage to miss their extremely soft deadlines.

Actually, a great many RPG companies don't set a hard release date until just before it ships.

The reason for that is quite simple really. Delays happen. Sometimes it's on the company's end (lead author has a major life emergency that forces them to leave the product in mid-development, commissioned artists need additional time to complete their work, something written had to be revised or completely scrapped due to issues found in playtesting, etc), and sometimes it's due to something that is out of their control (printing company botches a major portion of the print run, shipment gets held up in customs, license holder is very slow to respond in approving material, etc).

WotC can kinda get away with citing hard dates, because thanks to being a part of Hasbro they've got a heck of a lot more control over the printing and shipping process than most other RPG companies do. And even then they're fairly cagey until it gets within a certain time frame of the release date (usually a few months) barring major-league releases like the new version of D&D or the next big expansion for Magic: the Gathering.

I just think that having a warehouse in Minnesota is strange, for a company that has its printing done in China and Germany. It would make better sense to have two smaller warehouses, one on each seaboard. As is, they're spending time and money moving it from the ports to the warehouse, and out to the vendors.

Closer warehouses = faster release and less money spent = more profit.

I just think that having a warehouse in Minnesota is strange, for a company that has its printing done in China and Germany. It would make better sense to have two smaller warehouses, one on each seaboard. As is, they're spending time and money moving it from the ports to the warehouse, and out to the vendors.

Closer warehouses = faster release and less money spent = more profit.

Looked at real estate prices in LA or NY lately? Your logic is fine if warehousing costs the same in MN as it does in CA, guarantee you it doesn't. I bet half their shipping or more is spent on the Longshoremen at US ports. Plus judging by the Google Earth picture of their gaming center and studio it looks to me like the warehouse is connected which means they either own it, or they can at the very least keep their warehousing costs in house, which is definitely cheaper than renting space in LA and paying west and east coast union costs.

Actually, a great many RPG companies don't set a hard release date until just before it ships.

The reason for that is quite simple really. Delays happen. Sometimes it's on the company's end (lead author has a major life emergency that forces them to leave the product in mid-development, commissioned artists need additional time to complete their work, something written had to be revised or completely scrapped due to issues found in playtesting, etc), and sometimes it's due to something that is out of their control (printing company botches a major portion of the print run, shipment gets held up in customs, license holder is very slow to respond in approving material, etc).

WotC can kinda get away with citing hard dates, because thanks to being a part of Hasbro they've got a heck of a lot more control over the printing and shipping process than most other RPG companies do. And even then they're fairly cagey until it gets within a certain time frame of the release date (usually a few months) barring major-league releases like the new version of D&D or the next big expansion for Magic: the Gathering.

I get that table top gaming is kind of a niche hobby but what other industry can you get away with saying release is sometime this quarter I mean can they really not even pin down a month? I would much rather be told about a delay then just hearing nothing for a long period of time

I also thought we would see rebranded dice. I was going to buy a pack as spares.

Actually we might see re-branded and/or generic FFG dice. I saw this over on the store:

Now if just might be an artists mockup or concept art - but why would they use concept art something that's been out for a year?

Actually we might see re-branded and/or generic FFG dice. I saw this over on the store:

Now if just might be an artists mockup or concept art - but why would they use concept art something that's been out for a year?

I've been wondering how they were going to handle dice for the different lines for a while now. At first I was under the impression that they would just rebrand dice as "Age of Rebellion" and "Force and Destiny" dice, but this seems like a much more elegant solution.

Given that an Edge of the Empire dice "reprint" is in the works, (according to the upcoming products page) I think we have our answer. Nice find.

Edit: Formatting.

I just think that having a warehouse in Minnesota is strange, for a company that has its printing done in China and Germany. It would make better sense to have two smaller warehouses, one on each seaboard. As is, they're spending time and money moving it from the ports to the warehouse, and out to the vendors.

Closer warehouses = faster release and less money spent = more profit.

Looked at real estate prices in LA or NY lately? Your logic is fine if warehousing costs the same in MN as it does in CA, guarantee you it doesn't. I bet half their shipping or more is spent on the Longshoremen at US ports. Plus judging by the Google Earth picture of their gaming center and studio it looks to me like the warehouse is connected which means they either own it, or they can at the very least keep their warehousing costs in house, which is definitely cheaper than renting space in LA and paying west and east coast union costs.

You also raise good points, however, warehouse districts in Virginia, at least, are inexpensive. The landscaping company I work for operates out of one, and we're not exactly a bustling outfit. In addition, we're within easy striking range of Newport News, Hampton Roads, Norfolk, and Baltimore, MD. I suspect falling prices have to do with the growing influx of goods on the West Coast.

And here in Virginia, the Unions have much less power than they used to. Many companies employ nonunion warehouse workers.

I also thought we would see rebranded dice. I was going to buy a pack as spares.

Actually we might see re-branded and/or generic FFG dice. I saw this over on the store:

Now if just might be an artists mockup or concept art - but why would they use concept art something that's been out for a year?

Good catch! I wonder if the ones that are on the boat now will have this appearance, or if these ones will come later.

God help me, between the three Beginner Games and the dice pack I bought, I'll have four sets - but I also want one of these, 'cause it looks cool... when does it END?!?

It looks like they're using that new dice maker. Just from the picture I can tell the edges are harder than the first generation dice packages.

That may be the case, but I vaguely remember the photo for the Edge of the Empire dice looking the same way. If you look closely at the symbols of the dice in the above photo, they almost look painted on rather than engraved. It's possible that the above photo is a mockup. I could be wrong, obviously.

Side note: The upcoming products page has been updated to reflect the new packaging and art for the second printing of the dice.

Edit: Here's a photo to demonstrate what I was talking about.

Side note: The upcoming products page has been updated to reflect the new packaging and art for the second printing of the dice.

Voila, mystery solved! Now they just gotta change the product name (remove EotE).

Good move on FFG's part, since we're not only gonna have AoR players soon, but also F&D players in a few months. Looking forward to seeing what other generic 'Star Wars Roleplaying' products might appear!

(p.s: does it annoy anyone else that the catalogue # is still SWE04, and not SWR01? I really need to get a life... )

I just think that having a warehouse in Minnesota is strange, for a company that has its printing done in China and Germany. It would make better sense to have two smaller warehouses, one on each seaboard. As is, they're spending time and money moving it from the ports to the warehouse, and out to the vendors.

Closer warehouses = faster release and less money spent = more profit.

Looked at real estate prices in LA or NY lately? Your logic is fine if warehousing costs the same in MN as it does in CA, guarantee you it doesn't. I bet half their shipping or more is spent on the Longshoremen at US ports. Plus judging by the Google Earth picture of their gaming center and studio it looks to me like the warehouse is connected which means they either own it, or they can at the very least keep their warehousing costs in house, which is definitely cheaper than renting space in LA and paying west and east coast union costs.

You also raise good points, however, warehouse districts in Virginia, at least, are inexpensive. The landscaping company I work for operates out of one, and we're not exactly a bustling outfit. In addition, we're within easy striking range of Newport News, Hampton Roads, Norfolk, and Baltimore, MD. I suspect falling prices have to do with the growing influx of goods on the West Coast.

And here in Virginia, the Unions have much less power than they used to. Many companies employ nonunion warehouse workers.

Good friend exhibits the last 20+ years at San Diego Comicon. I've helped him on the floor the last 10. He lives in NYC. He has to ship and warehouse the stuff for the booth to San Diego and have it delivered to the convention center from an off site warehouse. He spends total $1.80 a lbs shipping costs. A dollar of that $1.80 is what the union charges to move his crates the last 4 miles to the center. Put another way 55% of his total shipping costs across the US are incurred in the last 4 miles from union/warehousing costs in CA. It's way cheaper for FFG to have stuff shipped to MN from coastal ports and handle their own warehousing and handling.

The should ship into Houston then. Ship all around the country from here. Weak unions, huge port, cheap land,

Plus, that would mean I get my book first. After all, that is the important thing

The should ship into Houston then. Ship all around the country from here. Weak unions, huge port, cheap land,

Plus, that would mean I get my book first. After all, that is the important thing

Business footprint in two states, two sets of employees, two sets of state taxes and business codes, three government's regulations involved in their business, shipping through the Panama Canal from China, 2000 miles further from Germany, I'm seeing little savings potential.

Side note: The upcoming products page has been updated to reflect the new packaging and art for the second printing of the dice.

Voila, mystery solved! Now they just gotta change the product name (remove EotE).

Aaaaand, done.

This champagne is getting pretty flat. Where's that boat?

...waits for 'boat sinking' icon to appear on the Upcoming page...

You mean something like this:

Maybe they are experiencing difficult weather conditions on the voyage. This could all be the fault of global warming