With the recent change in FFG's tournament rules to allow any models unless they are specifically disallowed for an event, I wanted to know if there was any disallowed models listed for Regionals? I ask this because the Regional event that I can attend isn't until the 14th of next month and there is every chance that Wave 4 may have just dropped only days beforehand.

Edit:

I got a reply back from FFG stating that Wave 4 is allowed. Please post in THIS POLL THREAD so that I can provide feedback to FFG from the larger community and I will link them to it when I reply. Keep onoing discussions about it here to avoid cluttering up the poll thread.

Unless ships are added to the banned list they are legal.

If I were a betting man, I would say Wave 4 would be banned because there's already been Regional tournaments played. Transport was fair game because everyone had an opportunity to purchase the new pilots before any Regional tournament started.

If I were a betting man, I would say Wave 4 would be banned because there's already been Regional tournaments played. Transport was fair game because everyone had an opportunity to purchase the new pilots before any Regional tournament started.

You would hope this, but I want to see if anyone has had confirmation from the tournament pack?

If I were a betting man, I would say Wave 4 would be banned because there's already been Regional tournaments played. Transport was fair game because everyone had an opportunity to purchase the new pilots before any Regional tournament started.

You would hope this, but I want to see if anyone has had confirmation from the tournament pack?

Not sure if this is what your asking but I played with Wes Janson in the Regionals over the weekend. I understand the bet of the banning of wave 4, but since they changed the rules this is the first real chance to see where FFG's head is at on this matter. I do tend to agree that they will wait for the regional season to be over to allow the new ships. You are also going to have a weirded period of time where the release event will have a couple ships floating around before they are released.

All 40K events that I ran or attended used the rule that new stuff had to be released at least one month prior to the event to be considered legal which allowed players a chance to read the rules and have a reasonable chance for all players to get the models despite shipping times. However I'm not sure where FFG is heading with this and I hope that models that have only just come out aren't legal for a Regional tournament the following day. This makes it a case of who gets luck gets the advantage since not all cards are spoilered yet and it makes it hard to gauge what the meta will be for the event.

I would say that based on the fact that there will be a select few people that will have some of the ships from the Assault on Imdaar Alpha event prior to the release date (while others can't buy them) and that as some have already pointed out it will be part way through regional’s season I would almost bet the farm that they will be banned till after the final regional’s is complete.

They even eluded to this when making the statement about bannings noting that it was likely to happen if the release is during an event season.

All depends on whether they update (create?) a ban list when it comes out. They didn't with the Transport, who knows if they will in the future?

The insert specifically suggests banning models released in the middle of a season, but who knows?

The way everything was worded in the tournament rules and the timing of it seemed to strongly imply that the X-Wing pilots and applicable upgrades released with the Transport were intended to be legal for Regionals.

Wave 4 on the other hand will likely release in the middle or end of the Regional season and will almost certainly be banned initially.

It's also worth noting that ships and components that you would pick up from Imdaar Alpha would not be legal until the actual release date even if they weren't put on a ban list.

I've sent an inquiry off to FFG, so hopefully they can shed some light on the issue as I imagine I'm not the only player wondering about this.

Even if they don't ban wave 4, it technically hasn't been "released" after the Assault at Imdaar, so it couldn't be used before the full wave 4 release. It is, by definition, a "pre-release" event.

[Edit: I read the rules closer, nevermind]

There is also some stuff in the CR-90 expansion that will be available later this month, no word on if that will be banned or not.

I double checked the Tournament PDF and there is no section with any banned ships in it. What FFG should do is at least put in a placeholder so that we know where to look for said banned list.

I misspoke, there technically is no requirement that a product be fully released to be usable in a tournament. So they will have to specifically ban wave 4 after the Assault at Imdaar to prevent its use by players that won those prizes. We should probably expect a ban of CR-90 and wave 4 given the highlighted text above.

All Star Wars: X-Wing™ Miniatures Game components are legal for

sanctioned play unless they are marked with the epic icon (ships with the epic

icon ( ) next to the card title on the Ship card can be fielded only in Epic Play),

or temporarily banned from tournament play (such as when a product is

released in the midst of a tournament season ).

Only official models, cards and tokens can be used in tournaments (proxies of

cards and ships cannot be used), and third-party range rulers and movement

templates must be agreed upon by all match participants before the game.

In North America, products are legal upon their release. Competitors outside

North America should check with their TO to determine which products are

tournament legal.

Components can only be modified as described under “Component

Modifications” on page 1. If the Star WarsTM Dice app is used, the app

must be displayed in full view of both players at all times.

This and other supported documents for FFG Organized Play can be accessed

from the FFG Organized Play Support Page: http://www.fantasyflightgames .

com/opsupport

I misspoke, there technically is no requirement that a product be fully released to be usable in a tournament. So they will have to specifically ban wave 4 after the Assault at Imdaar to prevent its use by players that won those prizes. We should probably expect a ban of CR-90 and wave 4 given the highlighted text above.

Herm... so that means if I win W4 on Saturday at my first Imdaar Alpha, that they're technically legal (unless a ban list is created) for my Sunday Imdaar Alpha?

All Star Wars: X-Wing™ Miniatures Game components are legal for

sanctioned play unless they are marked with the epic icon (ships with the epic

icon ( ) next to the card title on the Ship card can be fielded only in Epic Play),

or temporarily banned from tournament play (such as when a product is

released in the midst of a tournament season ).

Only official models, cards and tokens can be used in tournaments (proxies of

cards and ships cannot be used), and third-party range rulers and movement

templates must be agreed upon by all match participants before the game.

In North America, products are legal upon their release. Competitors outside

North America should check with their TO to determine which products are

tournament legal.

Components can only be modified as described under “Component

Modifications” on page 1. If the Star WarsTM Dice app is used, the app

must be displayed in full view of both players at all times.

This and other supported documents for FFG Organized Play can be accessed

from the FFG Organized Play Support Page: http://www.fantasyflightgames .

com/opsupport

I misspoke, there technically is no requirement that a product be fully released to be usable in a tournament. So they will have to specifically ban wave 4 after the Assault at Imdaar to prevent its use by players that won those prizes. We should probably expect a ban of CR-90 and wave 4 given the highlighted text above.

They won't need to ban CR-90 as it is only useable in epic play, which regionals are not.

All Star Wars: X-Wing™ Miniatures Game components are legal for

sanctioned play unless they are marked with the epic icon (ships with the epic

icon ( ) next to the card title on the Ship card can be fielded only in Epic Play),

or temporarily banned from tournament play (such as when a product is

released in the midst of a tournament season ).

I misspoke, there technically is no requirement that a product be fully released to be usable in a tournament. So they will have to specifically ban wave 4 after the Assault at Imdaar to prevent its use by players that won those prizes. We should probably expect a ban of CR-90 and wave 4 given the highlighted text above.

Herm... so that means if I win W4 on Saturday at my first Imdaar Alpha, that they're technically legal (unless a ban list is created) for my Sunday Imdaar Alpha?

Technically yes, that's a good point. You could also technically use multiples of the wave 4 ships in the final round. I'm sure this isn't the intent, hopefully they update the standard tournament rules first.

You’ll bring your 100-point squadron and adhere to all of the game’s standard tournament rules as you compete through the preliminary Swiss rounds. However, in the final round, everything changes. After the close of the preliminary rounds, the tournament’s two top players set aside their personal squads and command new squads that they build with the featured Wave IV starfighters!

One player will construct an Imperial squad that fields both the TIE defender and TIE phantom . The other will construct a Rebel squad that utilizes the Z-95 Headhunter as well as the E-wing . Both players will complete their 100-point squadrons by adding starships and upgrades from their existing X-Wing collections. Then, they’ll face off in a heated duel for the fate of the galaxy!

They don't actually say that you must use "one" of each ship, so if you won a ship the night before, then in the final round you could fly a list with more than just two wave 4 ships. Of course your opponent could try to insist that you play the opposite faction than the ship you won.

They won't need to ban CR-90 as it is only useable in epic play, which regionals are not.

I was referring to the non-epic content within the CR-90 Expansion.

And possibly more not yet spoiled...

Assault from Imdaar prize ships are not legal because those ships have yet to be actually released by FFG.

Second paragraph from the document quoted here states "In North America, products are legal upon their release.". Until there is a release notice on FFGs website and the product has been changed from On the Boat/Shipping to Available there is no way you could make an argument that the prize ships from that event have been released.

You do not have in that regard.

Poll thread created HERE .

Provide some feedback there about whether you think it is a good idea or not. Keep ongoing discussions here to avoid cluttering up the poll please.

These ships including the transport were all released in the middle of a tournament season and according to the FAQ are automatically part of the banned list for competitive play. Despite when some retailers got/sold the models the official release date for the transport was May1 which is during the regional season

All Star Wars: X-Wing™ Miniatures Game components are legal for

sanctioned play unless they are marked with the epic icon (ships with the epic

icon ( ) next to the card title on the Ship card can be fielded only in Epic Play),

or temporarily banned from tournament play (such as when a product is

released in the midst of a tournament season ).

I misspoke, there technically is no requirement that a product be fully released to be usable in a tournament. So they will have to specifically ban wave 4 after the Assault at Imdaar to prevent its use by players that won those prizes. We should probably expect a ban of CR-90 and wave 4 given the highlighted text above.

Herm... so that means if I win W4 on Saturday at my first Imdaar Alpha, that they're technically legal (unless a ban list is created) for my Sunday Imdaar Alpha?

Technically yes, that's a good point. You could also technically use multiples of the wave 4 ships in the final round. I'm sure this isn't the intent, hopefully they update the standard tournament rules first.

You’ll bring your 100-point squadron and adhere to all of the game’s standard tournament rules as you compete through the preliminary Swiss rounds. However, in the final round, everything changes. After the close of the preliminary rounds, the tournament’s two top players set aside their personal squads and command new squads that they build with the featured Wave IV starfighters!

One player will construct an Imperial squad that fields both the TIE defender and TIE phantom . The other will construct a Rebel squad that utilizes the Z-95 Headhunter as well as the E-wing . Both players will complete their 100-point squadrons by adding starships and upgrades from their existing X-Wing collections. Then, they’ll face off in a heated duel for the fate of the galaxy!

They don't actually say that you must use "one" of each ship, so if you won a ship the night before, then in the final round you could fly a list with more than just two wave 4 ships. Of course your opponent could try to insist that you play the opposite faction than the ship you won.

They won't need to ban CR-90 as it is only useable in epic play, which regionals are not.

I was referring to the non-epic content within the CR-90 Expansion.

And possibly more not yet spoiled...

Gotcha I guess those cards could be options.

These ships including the transport were all released in the middle of a tournament season and according to the FAQ are automatically part of the banned list for competitive play . Despite when some retailers got/sold the models the official release date for the transport was May1 which is during the regional season

Highlighted this point for emphasis. That's not what the Tournament FAQ states, read it more carefully:

Releasing a product during the midst of a tournament season is an example of why they could temporarily ban components from play, but they in no way stated that products released in the midst of the season MUST be banned. Until the tournament FAQ is updated to include a list of banned cards, they are legal.

These ships including the transport were all released in the middle of a tournament season and according to the FAQ are automatically part of the banned list for competitive play . Despite when some retailers got/sold the models the official release date for the transport was May1 which is during the regional season

Highlighted this point for emphasis. That's not what the Tournament FAQ states, read it more carefully:

All Star Wars: X-Wing™ Miniatures Game components are legal for

sanctioned play unless they are marked with the epic icon (ships with the epic

icon ( ) next to the card title on the Ship card can be fielded only in Epic Play),

or temporarily banned from tournament play (such as when a product is

released in the midst of a tournament season ).

Releasing a product during the midst of a tournament season is an example of why they could temporarily ban components from play, but they in no way stated that products released in the midst of the season MUST be banned. Until the tournament FAQ is updated to include a list of banned cards, they are legal.

Except you are ignoring the FAQ to justify your point. " (such as when a product is released in the midst of a tournament season) " they were released in the midst of a tournament season and thus according to the FAQ are banned

The latest FAQ uses the example of cards being released mid-way through a championship season as a reason they won't be allowed.

Being that it is the used example, I'd say pretty good bet it will be a no. However, if they are released during the regionals season, thats fantastic news as A) We'll have them pretty soon, and B) We'll have them for Nationals.

Tintip: no I did not. Re read my post, and parse the FAQ. I knew exactly what I was posting, but the point was apparently lost on you.

If wave 4 was released RIGHT NOW, without any update to the FAQ, would it be legal?

Answer : yes because its not on the banned list. End of story. OP emailed FFG to clarify, and FFG confirmed that wave 4 is legal.

Edit it is also entirely possible that the FAQ will be updated with a temporary ban list. However until then the ban list is empty, and therefore everything is legal.

The latest FAQ uses the example of cards being released mid-way through a championship season as a reason they won't be allowed.

Being that it is the used example, I'd say pretty good bet it will be a no. However, if they are released during the regionals season, thats fantastic news as A) We'll have them pretty soon, and B) We'll have them for Nationals.

Sorry, but I've been busy with my mate's wedding all weekend and have only just had time to get back to this. The answer from FFG at this stage is yes Wave 4 ships are allowed for Regionals. Go see my updated post at the beginning of the thread. Also please vote in the poll thread as I'd like to provide FFG with this feedback.