YES!!!!!

Wave 4 is neither Epic or on the ban list, thus they are legal.

If you did not acquire them while others did it is your failure to prepare. Is that not much the same attitude I read in a certain locked thread? Ironic how some claim one thing is within the rules while another that certainly is within the rules is rallied against.

You don't have wave 4 and I do, that will help me win, so it must be good. Right?

Umm, I think it is still early to assume they are not going to update the FAQ before Wave 4 releases. Remember, the stuff from Imdaar Alpha is not released. Wave 4 is officially released when they announce it on the website. We are looking at a June release for Wave 4. They have time to update the FAQ.

It seems they typically include a FAQ with in days of each release.

But even if they do, we don't know if Wave 4 will be on the ban list or not.

IMO if FFG does things right, and they have so far. Then there isn't a reason to keep Wave 4 out even if some people may not have access to all the ships. The changes shouldn't be so drastic that people with wave 4 are going to have an advantage over those who don't.

Also everyone knows the cards and such from it, so you should be able to make plans to deal with what wave 4 brings.

YES!!!!!

Wave 4 is neither Epic or on the ban list, thus they are legal.

If you did not acquire them while others did it is your failure to prepare. Is that not much the same attitude I read in a certain locked thread? Ironic how some claim one thing is within the rules while another that certainly is within the rules is rallied against.

You don't have wave 4 and I do, that will help me win, so it must be good. Right?

What are you even trying to say?

Wave 4 will be legal upon release unless FFG updates the Ban List to include those items. Assault from Imdaar is not a release, so it has no bearing on anything. Players will have opportunity to purchase Wave 4 prior to events it is legal in, as it would have had to have been released (aka available for purchase) to be legal.

You don't have wave 4 and I do, that will help me win, so it must be good. Right?

Not sure how you come to this conclusion. If someone doesn't buy wave 4, that's on them. There's plenty of retailers out there that will sell them, online if your LGS doesn't have any. So once they're released everyone has equal opportunity to get them.

The Assault from Imdaar does not count as a release so people who win a ship there can't use them until after wave 4 is released.

Furthermore, how do you figure wave 4 will help you win? If having wave 4 gives you an advantage ove others, then there is something very wrong with wave 4.

YES!!!!!

Wave 4 is neither Epic or on the ban list, thus they are legal.

If you did not acquire them while others did it is your failure to prepare. Is that not much the same attitude I read in a certain locked thread? Ironic how some claim one thing is within the rules while another that certainly is within the rules is rallied against.

You don't have wave 4 and I do, that will help me win, so it must be good. Right?

What are you even trying to say?

Wave 4 will be legal upon release unless FFG updates the Ban List to include those items. Assault from Imdaar is not a release, so it has no bearing on anything. Players will have opportunity to purchase Wave 4 prior to events it is legal in, as it would have had to have been released (aka available for purchase) to be legal.

You are implementing your own perception of a release. It does not matter if FFG releases the model through prizes or for general sale, they are released from FFG. So please show us the definition of "release" as provided by FFG.

You don't have wave 4 and I do, that will help me win, so it must be good. Right?

Not sure how you come to this conclusion. If someone doesn't buy wave 4, that's on them. There's plenty of retailers out there that will sell them, online if your LGS doesn't have any. So once they're released everyone has equal opportunity to get them.

The Assault from Imdaar does not count as a release so people who win a ship there can't use them until after wave 4 is released.

Furthermore, how do you figure wave 4 will help you win? If having wave 4 gives you an advantage ove others, then there is something very wrong with wave 4.

It was sarcasm. Again I am laughing at this thread that people claim it is unfair for others to have wave 4 while in another thread promote unsportsmanlike behavior. We only care about the win as long as it does not break the letter of the rules after all? That is the general consensus I am told.

You are implementing your own perception of a release.

No he's using what any reasonable person would call a release. That being the point where the models are officially for sale by FFG.

We only care about the win as long as it does not break the letter of the rules after all? That is the general consensus I am told.

If that's what you think you have both a very flawed and negative opinion of the X-Wing community.

YES!!!!!

Wave 4 is neither Epic or on the ban list, thus they are legal.

If you did not acquire them while others did it is your failure to prepare. Is that not much the same attitude I read in a certain locked thread? Ironic how some claim one thing is within the rules while another that certainly is within the rules is rallied against.

You don't have wave 4 and I do, that will help me win, so it must be good. Right?

What are you even trying to say?

Wave 4 will be legal upon release unless FFG updates the Ban List to include those items. Assault from Imdaar is not a release, so it has no bearing on anything. Players will have opportunity to purchase Wave 4 prior to events it is legal in, as it would have had to have been released (aka available for purchase) to be legal.

You are implementing your own perception of a release. It does not matter if FFG releases the model through prizes or for general sale, they are released from FFG. So please show us the definition of "release" as provided by FFG.

You don't have wave 4 and I do, that will help me win, so it must be good. Right?

Not sure how you come to this conclusion. If someone doesn't buy wave 4, that's on them. There's plenty of retailers out there that will sell them, online if your LGS doesn't have any. So once they're released everyone has equal opportunity to get them.

The Assault from Imdaar does not count as a release so people who win a ship there can't use them until after wave 4 is released.

Furthermore, how do you figure wave 4 will help you win? If having wave 4 gives you an advantage ove others, then there is something very wrong with wave 4.

It was sarcasm. Again I am laughing at this thread that people claim it is unfair for others to have wave 4 while in another thread promote unsportsmanlike behavior. We only care about the win as long as it does not break the letter of the rules after all? That is the general consensus I am told.

FFG is advertising Assault on Imdaar Alpha as a PRE-RELEASE tourney... Ergo, W4 is not released at AIA.

You are implementing your own perception of a release. It does not matter if FFG releases the model through prizes or for general sale, they are released from FFG. So please show us the definition of "release" as provided by FFG.

No release announcement on the website. Not listed as available under the product listing. Therefore, not released. That's how FFG has always handled it for thier products. On more then a few occasions LCG packs have made it to stores prior to being released on the FFG website, but without the release announcement were not legal in events preceding the announcement.

If your position really is that the Imdaar event constitutes a release you are just being silly. We do have to use our common sense, FFG isn't going to hold our hands on everything.

Please feel free to ask FFG if the Imdaar event constitutes a release.

Stop bringing locked arguments on irrelevant topics into other threads. That' is just trolling and looking to reignited locked threads/arguments..

Not our perception, merely applying what FFG already does with the LCGs, which tends to release a bit more often than X-wing.

Not our perception, merely applying what FFG already does with the LCGs, which tends to release a bit more often than X-wing.

Along with logic and common sense.

Pfff. Who expects to use that on the internet.

Make whatever claims you wish but as it stands right now, wave 4 is good to go.

Good day.

Make whatever claims you wish but as it stands right now, wave 4 is good to go.

Right now, no one has any wave 4 stuff, so no it's not good to go, right now.

After the Assault on Imdaar, a few people will have some wave 4 stuff, but seeing how the wave hasn't actually been released, it's still not good to go.

After wave 4 is released and assuming a revision of the Tournament rules isn't released listing wave 4 stuff as being banned, then it will be good to go.

I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. I love FFG, but for @#$%'s sake they drive me nuts with the way they handle organized play at times.

They wouldn't allow Imperial aces to be used at even the last few store championships since, before they revised the tournament rules, a product had to be SPECIFICALLY added to the floor rules to be legal. And that was just store championships compared to regionals. And it was just a few new pilots/upgrades for an existing ship instead of 4 whole new ships including the incredibly nuts cloaking monster that is the phantom.

And no matter which side of the debate you're on, I think its laughable that people can't seem to even agree on whether they are legal or not (not whether they should be or not) based on the updated rules. I guess they are if you're in North America.

There needs to be an official post, all it would take is one, it feels like no one looks at these forums at times.

Another interesting tale, for a SWLCG regional, one shop almost ran a 3 round tourney with a cut to top 4. This would've been a very lame tournament when you factor in the first round byes. Luckily one of the players there made the shop check the kit that was sent, and in it there was a chart saying how many rounds to run plus the size of the cut etc based on the number of players attending and all was well. But had one person not gone out on a limb there it would've been a disaster. Yes FFG had spelled out the rules in the kit sent to the store, but them glossing over it (which im sure alot of places would) almost ruined the event. had FFG made one post on the main page like they do to announce regionals, all the players could be aware of how many rounds there should be etc and could easily refer the TO to it.

Things like this just make me want to bang my head against the wall. All the FFG is now hiring posts, one of them needs to be for an organized play advocate to oversee all this (not another chef for their food court at the game center).

I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. I love FFG, but for @#$%'s sake they drive me nuts with the way they handle organized play at times.

They wouldn't allow Imperial aces to be used at even the last few store championships since, before they revised the tournament rules, a product had to be SPECIFICALLY added to the floor rules to be legal. And that was just store championships compared to regionals. And it was just a few new pilots/upgrades for an existing ship instead of 4 whole new ships including the incredibly nuts cloaking monster that is the phantom.

And no matter which side of the debate you're on, I think its laughable that people can't seem to even agree on whether they are legal or not (not whether they should be or not) based on the updated rules. I guess they are if you're in North America.

There needs to be an official post, all it would take is one, it feels like no one looks at these forums at times.

Another interesting tale, for a SWLCG regional, one shop almost ran a 3 round tourney with a cut to top 4. This would've been a very lame tournament when you factor in the first round byes. Luckily one of the players there made the shop check the kit that was sent, and in it there was a chart saying how many rounds to run plus the size of the cut etc based on the number of players attending and all was well. But had one person not gone out on a limb there it would've been a disaster. Yes FFG had spelled out the rules in the kit sent to the store, but them glossing over it (which im sure alot of places would) almost ruined the event. had FFG made one post on the main page like they do to announce regionals, all the players could be aware of how many rounds there should be etc and could easily refer the TO to it.

Things like this just make me want to bang my head against the wall. All the FFG is now hiring posts, one of them needs to be for an organized play advocate to oversee all this (not another chef for their food court at the game center).

As bad as all of that sounds I think it still beats some other game companies handling of organized play policy which is if you don't live in England too bad(I'm pretty sure everyone knows who I am talking about)