They have a hard time working together.

Have huge blind angles

Are on large bases, will all that entails

Have huge blind angles

Never got this. The Firespray has twice the coverage of almost every other ship in the game. It has less "blind spot" than every other ship bar the Falcon. Yet somehow people call it out for it's awful "blind spots". Why aren't they calling out X-wing lists for their 270 degree blind spots?

3 BH is a very competitive list (not a much damage dice as has been ideal in competitive play but lots of staying power so those damage dice tend to stick around), but navigating 3 large bases around asteroids and your opponent's ships can be challenging (as others have noted).

I think the firespray's criticism comes from the fact that people assume that having a front arc and rear arc means it always has a shot, equivalent to a Yt. That is simply not the case. Experienced players will regularly maneuever into the BH's sidelong blind spots. Small base ships with only forward arcs don't get criticised if they are maneueverable in tight spaces, but they do if they aren't. The only reason people don't hate on the Y/Hwk for this is because of their ubiquitous turrets. Big bases are clumsily large and hard to maneuever in tight spaces, so a small base ship flow by an experienced player can stay in the side arc of the BH until it brings it down. I can't be only one to have done this, right?

This exactly. I've danced around Bounty Hunters with Soontir and his Guard several times to no loss.

A triple bounty hunter list can overcome the arc dancing ships by using 90 degree turns and covering the blind spots with the other firesprays' arcs. This does come at the cost of focused fire, and can be impossible because of obstacles but it really is important versus certain ships when playing Trip Hunters.

It really is just a continuation of the strategy of picking a good ship then spamming it at the lowest PS available. 4 X-wings or B-wings, 5 A-Wings, 4 Shuttles, 5 Bombers, or every bodies favorite 8 TIEs.

As I see it these lists have two main problems - first it might be effective, but the lack of variety might not be as much fun. Secondly you a lot of people don't want to invest the money it takes to get enough ships. When you are considering your 3rd Firespray all you are really getting is the ability to field three bounty hunter list. The purchase doesn't make any other build possible that you couldn't alread do. (That is if you ignore upgrade cards.)

It really is just a continuation of the strategy of picking a good ship then spamming it at the lowest PS available. 4 X-wings or B-wings, 5 A-Wings, 4 Shuttles, 5 Bombers, or every bodies favorite 8 TIEs.

As I see it these lists have two main problems - first it might be effective, but the lack of variety might not be as much fun. Secondly you a lot of people don't want to invest the money it takes to get enough ships. When you are considering your 3rd Firespray all you are really getting is the ability to field three bounty hunter list. The purchase doesn't make any other build possible that you couldn't alread do. (That is if you ignore upgrade cards.)

Until epic play....

The (lack of) variety is certainly an issue for me.

I'd much prefer to run a shuttle, a bountyhuntern and some small ships.

More fun and synergy to be had. (IMO)

I actually tried and tested a Shuttle with advanced Sensors and a gunner, Kath Scarlet with expert handling, Backstabber and an Academy pilot. Worked really well.

But if *you* feel it (3x BH) is fun; by all means; go for it

I would take a 4 bwing build over a 3 firespray build any day. With 4 blue squadron pilots your left with 12 points in upgrades, equip with hlc, sensor jam or advanced sensors and you've got some nasty damage or maneuverability. Advantages over the 3 firespray list is:

2 extra hit points 32 compared to 30

more firepower 12 vs 9

upgrade ability

maneuverability.

Drawbacks are:

less green dice 4 vs 6 (however 2 extra green dice in my opinion is not nearly as beneficial as 3 extra red dice)

no rear firing arc

No evade action

Lower PS value

All in all 3 firesprays seems to favor a more defense build whereas 4 b's favors a more offensive one while still maintaining a higher hp.

Maneuvering 3 large ships and all having good shots on the same target is troublesome after the first engagement. That's the real tricky part. I think that's why some of the 2 Firesprays+2 TIEs work so well, everyone shoots consistently.

32 hit points at 1 agility is "about" the same as 21 hit points at 2 agility, so the 3 bh's have the advantage there by a lot.

The big thing is how many of a 4 ship rebel build get to shoot before the bh's. If at least half do the rebels should have the advantage, if only one or none do the bh's should have the advantage.

While there is nothing really wrong with three Bounty Hunters I will agree with those that say two Firespray and something else is often better. Dropping one lets you pick up things that will help cover the Firespray's few weaknesses and provide some versatility.

While there is nothing really wrong with three Bounty Hunters I will agree with those that say two Firespray and something else is often better. Dropping one lets you pick up things that will help cover the Firespray's few weaknesses and provide some versatility.

Thank you everyone and yes I believe that two Firesprays plus something else will be the way to go.

In addition to all the other fine points mentioned above, playing a list like that COULD, POSSIBLY, indicate you are a d-bag. Im NOT calling you a d-bag, just pointing out the POSSIBILITY of one lurking around the game table.

There is not a single build in this game that necessitates this level of insult. None. People can enjoy playing triple Bounty hunter. Every list in the game is fun, and nothing is so OP as to be sleazy to play.

I don't know, YT-Fortress strays uncomfortably close...

In addition to all the other fine points mentioned above, playing a list like that COULD, POSSIBLY, indicate you are a d-bag. Im NOT calling you a d-bag, just pointing out the POSSIBILITY of one lurking around the game table.

There is not a single build in this game that necessitates this level of insult. None. People can enjoy playing triple Bounty hunter. Every list in the game is fun, and nothing is so OP as to be sleazy to play.

I would suggest the Lambda/YT fortresses could be deserving of the insult, all though that has less to do with the build as the tactics one wishes to employ with it

PS. **** got ninja'd by Lago

In addition to all the other fine points mentioned above, playing a list like that COULD, POSSIBLY, indicate you are a d-bag. Im NOT calling you a d-bag, just pointing out the POSSIBILITY of one lurking around the game table.

There is not a single build in this game that necessitates this level of insult. None. People can enjoy playing triple Bounty hunter. Every list in the game is fun, and nothing is so OP as to be sleazy to play.

I would suggest the Lambda/YT fortresses could be deserving of the insult, all though that has less to do with the build as the tactics one wishes to employ with it

PS. **** got ninja'd by Lago

Lambda/YT? How do you field those together? They are different factions.

In addition to all the other fine points mentioned above, playing a list like that COULD, POSSIBLY, indicate you are a d-bag. Im NOT calling you a d-bag, just pointing out the POSSIBILITY of one lurking around the game table.

There is not a single build in this game that necessitates this level of insult. None. People can enjoy playing triple Bounty hunter. Every list in the game is fun, and nothing is so OP as to be sleazy to play.

NOTHING is sleazy !? Wrong. I'll double down. While perfectly legal, I'd ask the person using 3 firesprays in a 100pt list(and have) if they even LIKE Star Wars. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't always mean you SHOULD. The one thing I liked about GW tournies is that each player gave the other a SPORTSMANSHIP score. A 3 firespray list IMHO, would be a 1 (worst possible). Legal? Yes. Viable? Yes. Great for Fantasy Flights sales? Yes. Sleazy? YES!

In addition to all the other fine points mentioned above, playing a list like that COULD, POSSIBLY, indicate you are a d-bag. Im NOT calling you a d-bag, just pointing out the POSSIBILITY of one lurking around the game table.

There is not a single build in this game that necessitates this level of insult. None. People can enjoy playing triple Bounty hunter. Every list in the game is fun, and nothing is so OP as to be sleazy to play.

NOTHING is sleazy !? Wrong. I'll double down. While perfectly legal, I'd ask the person using 3 firesprays in a 100pt list(and have) if they even LIKE Star Wars. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't always mean you SHOULD. The one thing I liked about GW tournies is that each player gave the other a SPORTSMANSHIP score. A 3 firespray list IMHO, would be a 1 (worst possible). Legal? Yes. Viable? Yes. Great for Fantasy Flights sales? Yes. Sleazy? YES!

Wow, did Lucas make you the god of Star Wars before he sold to Disney?

Gamers who tell other gamers how they shouldn't play the game are the worst kind of gamers IMO.

It would help if you explained why this would be sleazy.

In addition to all the other fine points mentioned above, playing a list like that COULD, POSSIBLY, indicate you are a d-bag. Im NOT calling you a d-bag, just pointing out the POSSIBILITY of one lurking around the game table.

There is not a single build in this game that necessitates this level of insult. None. People can enjoy playing triple Bounty hunter. Every list in the game is fun, and nothing is so OP as to be sleazy to play.

NOTHING is sleazy !? Wrong. I'll double down. While perfectly legal, I'd ask the person using 3 firesprays in a 100pt list(and have) if they even LIKE Star Wars. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't always mean you SHOULD. The one thing I liked about GW tournies is that each player gave the other a SPORTSMANSHIP score. A 3 firespray list IMHO, would be a 1 (worst possible). Legal? Yes. Viable? Yes. Great for Fantasy Flights sales? Yes. Sleazy? YES!

Wow, did Lucas make you the god of Star Wars before he sold to Disney?

Gamers who tell other gamers how they shouldn't play the game are the worst kind of gamers IMO.

Fantasy Flight(gamers at heart) tell all of us how to play all the time.

"Players are expected to behave in a mature and considerate manner, and to play within the rules and not abuse them. This prohibits intentionally stalling a game for time, placing components with excessive force, abusing an infinite combo, inappropriate behavior, treating an opponent with a lack of courtesy or respect, etc."

A 3 firespray list is IMHO borderline NOT mature, considerate, treating opponent respectfully. If playing against a list like that leaves a bad taste in your mouth, or while fielding it the thought "why did my opponent cringe/roll his eyes when I put it on table" cross your mind? Then MAYBE, just MAYBE sleaze is present.

Spray and Pray has it's advantages, but it's hardly OP like endless rerolls on YT's or having an un-critable ship or having a passive ability that forces your opponent to do something just because the ability text says so.

You still have to fly the Spray and not get flanked. You still have to maneuver through the 'roids and not get action blocked. What really underwhelms me about 3 Sprays is the lack of any EPT's or special loadouts. It's just another above average mini-max strategy that is pretty lackluster in comparison to the meta right now.

"Players are expected to behave in a mature and considerate manner, and to play within the rules and not abuse them. This prohibits intentionally stalling a game for time, placing components with excessive force, abusing an infinite combo, inappropriate behavior, treating an opponent with a lack of courtesy or respect, etc."

A 3 firespray list is IMHO borderline NOT mature, considerate, treating opponent respectfully. If playing against a list like that leaves a bad taste in your mouth, or while fielding it the thought "why did my opponent cringe/roll his eyes when I put it on table" cross your mind? Then MAYBE, just MAYBE sleaze is present.

How is it inconsiderate or immature? It's not even OP. It's a decent list, but far from an "I win" button.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad or cheesy, it just means that you don't like it and admittedly you're willing to be (and have been) a jerk to your opponent if they fly it.

I believe you need to think long and hard about the words "immature" and "inconsiderate".

In addition to all the other fine points mentioned above, playing a list like that COULD, POSSIBLY, indicate you are a d-bag. Im NOT calling you a d-bag, just pointing out the POSSIBILITY of one lurking around the game table.

There is not a single build in this game that necessitates this level of insult. None. People can enjoy playing triple Bounty hunter. Every list in the game is fun, and nothing is so OP as to be sleazy to play.

NOTHING is sleazy !? Wrong. I'll double down. While perfectly legal, I'd ask the person using 3 firesprays in a 100pt list(and have) if they even LIKE Star Wars. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't always mean you SHOULD. The one thing I liked about GW tournies is that each player gave the other a SPORTSMANSHIP score. A 3 firespray list IMHO, would be a 1 (worst possible). Legal? Yes. Viable? Yes. Great for Fantasy Flights sales? Yes. Sleazy? YES!

I can kind of see where Adept's dislike comes from. It's more of a gut feeling than a reasoned argument. I too subconsciously recoil from all large ship builds and I can't quite put my finger on why. It just feels wrong .

In addition to all the other fine points mentioned above, playing a list like that COULD, POSSIBLY, indicate you are a d-bag. Im NOT calling you a d-bag, just pointing out the POSSIBILITY of one lurking around the game table.

There is not a single build in this game that necessitates this level of insult. None. People can enjoy playing triple Bounty hunter. Every list in the game is fun, and nothing is so OP as to be sleazy to play.

NOTHING is sleazy !? Wrong. I'll double down. While perfectly legal, I'd ask the person using 3 firesprays in a 100pt list(and have) if they even LIKE Star Wars. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't always mean you SHOULD. The one thing I liked about GW tournies is that each player gave the other a SPORTSMANSHIP score. A 3 firespray list IMHO, would be a 1 (worst possible). Legal? Yes. Viable? Yes. Great for Fantasy Flights sales? Yes. Sleazy? YES!

I come wanting to play my Bounty Hunter gang as you think that would be unsportsmanlike and give me the worst possible score because of it? Maybe those are made in secret but I'd say that mind-set would make you immature and definitely lacking any respect towards me. If you don't like what I'm playing when my squadron is 100% legal and used completely within the rules perhaps you should just withdraw from whatever competition we are participating in.

Even the Fortress builds can be fun. They may seem "easy" to play but they usually have big weaknesses as well so they are a real test to the opponent. If you know how to defeat them I guess I'm the one getting screwed but otherwise I may be giving you an entirely new game experience. You don't like surprises? Maybe you shouldn't play a game that has ANY variables in it.

In addition to all the other fine points mentioned above, playing a list like that COULD, POSSIBLY, indicate you are a d-bag. Im NOT calling you a d-bag, just pointing out the POSSIBILITY of one lurking around the game table.

There is not a single build in this game that necessitates this level of insult. None. People can enjoy playing triple Bounty hunter. Every list in the game is fun, and nothing is so OP as to be sleazy to play.

NOTHING is sleazy !? Wrong. I'll double down. While perfectly legal, I'd ask the person using 3 firesprays in a 100pt list(and have) if they even LIKE Star Wars. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't always mean you SHOULD. The one thing I liked about GW tournies is that each player gave the other a SPORTSMANSHIP score. A 3 firespray list IMHO, would be a 1 (worst possible). Legal? Yes. Viable? Yes. Great for Fantasy Flights sales? Yes. Sleazy? YES!

Wow, did Lucas make you the god of Star Wars before he sold to Disney?

Gamers who tell other gamers how they shouldn't play the game are the worst kind of gamers IMO.

Fantasy Flight(gamers at heart) tell all of us how to play all the time.

"Players are expected to behave in a mature and considerate manner, and to play within the rules and not abuse them. This prohibits intentionally stalling a game for time, placing components with excessive force, abusing an infinite combo, inappropriate behavior, treating an opponent with a lack of courtesy or respect , etc."

A 3 firespray list is IMHO borderline NOT mature, considerate, treating opponent respectfully. If playing against a list like that leaves a bad taste in your mouth, or while fielding it the thought "why did my opponent cringe/roll his eyes when I put it on table" cross your mind? Then MAYBE, just MAYBE sleaze is present.

So the part I bolded, you think that applies to you as well, or just other players, cause you aren't coming off well so far.

Fantasy Flight(gamers at heart) tell all of us how to play all the time.

"Players are expected to behave in a mature and considerate manner, and to play within the rules and not abuse them. This prohibits intentionally stalling a game for time, placing components with excessive force, abusing an infinite combo, inappropriate behavior, treating an opponent with a lack of courtesy or respect , etc."

A 3 firespray list is IMHO borderline NOT mature, considerate, treating opponent respectfully. If playing against a list like that leaves a bad taste in your mouth, or while fielding it the thought "why did my opponent cringe/roll his eyes when I put it on table" cross your mind? Then MAYBE, just MAYBE sleaze is present.

So the part I bolded, you think that applies to you as well, or just other players, cause you aren't coming off well so far.

The enboldening didn't come across in the grey-and-white. Try increasing the font size as well, and possibly trimming a few paragraphs out of the original post, as I have demonstrated here.

In addition to all the other fine points mentioned above, playing a list like that COULD, POSSIBLY, indicate you are a d-bag. Im NOT calling you a d-bag, just pointing out the POSSIBILITY of one lurking around the game table.

There is not a single build in this game that necessitates this level of insult. None. People can enjoy playing triple Bounty hunter. Every list in the game is fun, and nothing is so OP as to be sleazy to play.

I would suggest the Lambda/YT fortresses could be deserving of the insult, all though that has less to do with the build as the tactics one wishes to employ with it

PS. **** got ninja'd by Lago

Lambda/YT? How do you field those together? They are different factions.

I am referring to the fact that the tactic is employed with both ships even though they are different factions