I'd put my money on the Gozanti cruiser. It a nice size for a huge ship and it'll be great as a strong Tie support craft with guns to fend itself. It also makes more sense from a marketing standpoint as it ties-in well with the new Rebel's tv series. Plus, its not a bad looking ship too:)

It might be a bit small, actually--not much longer than the Falcon. (At least according to Wikipedia, although of course that's prone to error.)

Straightens back...

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Gozanti Cruiser: would be an excellent choice but, as Vorpal Sword rightly pointed out, it is more likely to be a Large Ship choice rather than a Huge Ship. Personally, I'd love to see a model of it and it could be the Imperial release opposite a release of the YT-2400/Outrider that I really really really want to see released. So while I'll say I don't want to see it as the Imperial Huge Ship, I still want to see it...put me down for three to go with six Tie Fighters.

Victory II Class Frigate: This to me is the best choice to go opposite the CR-90 Corvette. The only question becomes does a ship that's only appeared in the computer game Star Wars Battlefront II count as canon. My guess would be that it is probably more recognizable than EU ships since many Star Wars fans who are likely to play X-Wing will have played Battlefront. From what I remember when I confronted it, the Victory II has about as much firepower as the CR-90 and would be of a comparable size and hull.

Imperial Customs Corvette: When it comes to Huge Ships, this is the one I consider to be the most likely as it isn't much bigger than the CR-90. Wookieepedia measures it at 180 meters compared to the CR-90 150 meters. I would be very surprised not to see FFG make a ship of this. It also looks like a slightly odd looking mini Star Destroyer, which might keep those wanting the "Imperial Look" happy.

Bayonet Class: I saw this earlier in the thread but can't remember the full title. It looks more like a mini Star Destroyer without the board-dominating size. Personally I'm not keen on the ship from the one picture of it, but if I saw a model of it complete with 360 I might like it more.

Vigil Class Corvette: First of all, that ship is awesome and I'd happily have that in my collection. FTS Gecko has quoted a post I know well from Millennium Falshood, and the size of the Star Destroyer in that image is about how big the Vigil would be if in scale to the other Huge Ships. The Vigil is the length of 1 and 2/3 CR-90s which I see no problem with having seen images of the CR-90 next to other ships.

I'm not seeing where the Gozanti is too small. The current Rebels version has 2 TIEs docked on it. There seems to be a bit too much overhang for a single large base.

They should probably just amend the stated length for the Gozanti. To me at least in the pictures it looks like it ought to be a bigger ship than that measurement allows. The Vigil is kind of growing on me too, since it would be cool to have an Imperial ship that's a bit bigger than the Rebel counterparts. Epic isn't ever going to be the main competitive format, so why not let in some asymmetry to make it more thematic?

First off, I highly doubt that the official Gozanti length will turn out to be 42m.

Also, size is likely not the only determining factor in what becomes a huge ship. You could have a 35m ship that packs the same punch as the CR-90. It would be too powerful and expensive (pointwise) to be in the standard dogfighting portion of the game but it would make a good huge ship.

It is beautiful. Also however, a fan-made design - which may potentially lead to licensing / copyright issues, especially following the recent EU announcements by Disney (they will no doubt be looking to protect their big investment in the franchise).

Actually, it's not.

It's made by Ansel "Fructose" Hsaio, who also made several other Star Destroyers like the Bellator- class Star Dreadnaught and Allegiance -class battlecruiser. His ships were previously fanon, but they were canonized in The Essential Guide to Warfare. That book may or may not still be canon, but until it's declared non-canon the Vigil -class is a canon warship design.

Refutes my point, then goes on to prove it!

Unless Ansel "Fructose" Hsaio was actually in the employ of Lucasarts/Disney and contracted to produce the design for use within the Star Wars franchise, then officially recognised or "canonized" within a particular piece of literature or not, it's still a fan-made design. And as a fan-made design, licensing and copyright issues may raise their head when it comes to profiting from that design.

Suppose FFG produces a model based on Mr Hsaio's design, and goes on to produce and sell hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of them - would Mr Hsaio - having never been officially employed to produce said design for the Star Wars franchise on a commercial basis in the first place - not be entitled to some form of compensation?

Copyright and intellectual property is rarely so straightforward, and it becomes even more convoluted with Disney's current stance on the Expanded Universe.

I think you're only half right Gecko.

As an artist who has done Star Wars artwork for both FFG and Del Rey Publishing I know all the work that I do are copyrights of Lucasfilm and they are free to use my work in whatever way they wish. Likewise, a lot of Ansel Hsaio's work may have started off as fan made designs but overtime some of them have been made official, like those in the Essential Guide to Warfare. He was even commissioned directly by Del Rey to design the Nebula Class Star Destroyer and the Endurance Fleet Carrier with approvals from Lucasfilm as is the normal procedure for these sort of things. So his designs are as canon as far as the EU goes, which is not much as of late but its certainly more than just mere fan-made designs.

That being said....I've not seen the Vigil class corvette appear in any of the official guide books so it may still be nothing more than a fan-made work and that leaves me highly doubtful that we'll ever see it in X-wing Minis, as much as I like the look of it.

I do believe there will be an Epic answer to the Rebels two HUGE ships (not that the Empire needs an answer as Bombers are going to have a field day).

Toryn Farr disagrees.

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I think you're only half right Gecko.

As an artist who has done Star Wars artwork for both FFG and Del Rey Publishing I know all the work that I do are copyrights of Lucasfilm and they are free to use my work in whatever way they wish. Likewise, a lot of Ansel Hsaio's work may have started off as fan made designs but overtime some of them have been made official, like those in the Essential Guide to Warfare. He was even commissioned directly by Del Rey to design the Nebula Class Star Destroyer and the Endurance Fleet Carrier with approvals from Lucasfilm as is the normal procedure for these sort of things. So his designs are as canon as far as the EU goes, which is not much as of late but its certainly more than just mere fan-made designs.

Thanks for the insight. I guess I should clarify a little - the point I'm making is that there are potentially more and wider-ranging issues - legal/licensing/ownership/IP etc - with producing ans selling a model of the Vigil than there are for producing and selling a model of a ship such as the Tantive IV. FFG have to seek approval for every design and concept they come up with before it goes to production, and this is apparently a complex and involved process. How much more so then, for a design which was originally created independently from Lucasfilm?

Obviously this would depend on the nature of Mr Hsaio's agreement with Lucasfilm (and now, the Mouse). But I think the last thing anyone would want to see is an Oldboy-style dispute over the matter.

Don't get me wrong here - I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see a Vigil in the game. I would. I really, really would. It looks great, it (just) fits the scale, I think it would be perfect. But I doubt as to whether we will see one, for many reasons including the above.

It is beautiful. Also however, a fan-made design - which may potentially lead to licensing / copyright issues, especially following the recent EU announcements by Disney (they will no doubt be looking to protect their big investment in the franchise).

Actually, it's not.

It's made by Ansel "Fructose" Hsaio, who also made several other Star Destroyers like the Bellator- class Star Dreadnaught and Allegiance -class battlecruiser. His ships were previously fanon, but they were canonized in The Essential Guide to Warfare. That book may or may not still be canon, but until it's declared non-canon the Vigil -class is a canon warship design.

Refutes my point, then goes on to prove it!

Unless Ansel "Fructose" Hsaio was actually in the employ of Lucasarts/Disney and contracted to produce the design for use within the Star Wars franchise, then officially recognised or "canonized" within a particular piece of literature or not, it's still a fan-made design. And as a fan-made design, licensing and copyright issues may raise their head when it comes to profiting from that design.

Suppose FFG produces a model based on Mr Hsaio's design, and goes on to produce and sell hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of them - would Mr Hsaio - having never been officially employed to produce said design for the Star Wars franchise on a commercial basis in the first place - not be entitled to some form of compensation?

Copyright and intellectual property is rarely so straightforward, and it becomes even more convoluted with Disney's current stance on the Expanded Universe.

He *was* contracted by Lucasfilm. The Vigil was made specifically for the book, and he was compensated for it.

No, he wouldn't. His design was sold to Lucasfilm before this whole EU thing, so it's Disney's decision as to what to do with it. And since X-wing is apparently not bound to follow the new EU rules (they're using the TIE Defender and TIE Phantom, which were from video games and are no longer canon) then there's no real reason why they can't use the Vigil .

So again, the Vigil was a canon design. Whether it stays canon according to Disney is anyone's guess, but since X-wing isn't a canon game anyway (it uses canon stuff, but it has no canon status) they can probably use the design for their game.

EDIT: ninja'd!!

So again, the Vigil was a canon design. Whether it stays canon according to Disney is anyone's guess, but since X-wing isn't a canon game anyway (it uses canon stuff, but it has no canon status) they can probably use the design for their game.

Once again you appear to be missing the point of the post. No one was saying it isn't canon.

Let's just agree to disagree and move on.