Does anyone know if the judge running a Imdaar Alpha wave 4 pre-release event gets anything for their efforts. With the Kessel Run event didn't the judge get 2 ships.

As of right now, the judge gets nothing.

That being said I'm running one and with the new FAQ I'm assigning a second TO so I can play in it as well.

As of right now, the judge gets nothing.

That being said I'm running one and with the new FAQ I'm assigning a second TO so I can play in it as well.

The last tournament I was in it seemed the TO didn't quite knew what he was doing. In his own defense though I think it was his first time, along with my first tournament game and I didn't know all the rules myself

Things like deciding no asteroids right before we played, after signing or squads.

He didn't do Swiss style seeding,and every match was just randomized.

So I wonder if he knows /understand that he needs another in order for him to play.

If not then should I bring it up?

I hate to be that guy that is strict with rules but I do have to travel over 2 hours and to leave the province p.e.i,and go to new Brunswick costs 45 dollars for the confederation bridge, so about 100 bucks after gas and everything.

If he decides to play but doesn't have a back up should I just keep quiet?

I know this time I will speak up of he decides do to something stupid like no asteroids

Krynn007 it really depends on the type of tournament the TO is hosting. If it is a casual game with nothing for prizes then I don't think it matters to much. But on the other hand if there are prizes involved he should be running a swiss event. Players should be able to go to a tournament , not a casual game night, and expect it to be run a certain way. Familiarize yourself with the rules the best you can and offer to be that second TO.

As it is right now Ill be running 3 Imdaar Alpha wave 4 pre-release event's. With a chance to play in one of them. We'll see what happens an maybe FFG will include something extra for us TO's

The last tournament I was in it seemed the TO didn't quite knew what he was doing. In his own defense though I think it was his first time, along with my first tournament game and I didn't know all the rules myself

Things like deciding no asteroids right before we played, after signing or squads.

He didn't do Swiss style seeding,and every match was just randomized.

So I wonder if he knows /understand that he needs another in order for him to play.

If not then should I bring it up?

I hate to be that guy that is strict with rules but I do have to travel over 2 hours and to leave the province p.e.i,and go to new Brunswick costs 45 dollars for the confederation bridge, so about 100 bucks after gas and everything.

If he decides to play but doesn't have a back up should I just keep quiet?

I know this time I will speak up of he decides do to something stupid like no asteroids

I'd call the store ahead of time and ask who's running the tournament and if they plan on varying from the standard tournament rules. If you don't like the answers, save your time, frustration, and $100 by skipping the tourney--and write a polite e-mail to FFG's customer service letting them know how bad your experience was with that store.

These tournaments are the ffg events. The last one I was at had the range ruler as top prize.

I was really not happy that he decided last second to have no asteroids. I believe top player was a tie swarm as well.

As for this event I plan on playing in it, and I have to drive pretty far so I don't want to be the second TO.

I've been waiting for this for a couple months.

You see, I live in a province that doesn't have a huge population so if I want to get into organize play I have to travel.

I've talked to my lgs here and it doesn't seem like there is going to be enough people around to get the numbers, so that is why I have to drive.

If it wasn't so far, or they had them more often, nor one every 2-3 months, I'd love to be the To.

I just got into this game this past January,but at the last tournament I was at it seemed like I was more experience than most.

I just kind of wonder what I should do if anything if the same TO is there and only him and he decides to play. With no other TO. This is the pre wave 4 Release so I want it to be fair and obey the rules

Actually I did call the store and asked if it was the same TO, but the guy who answered didn't know any information other than the date

If you have nothing to contribute then don't bother.

Btw

Sorry to the Op his thread kind of went off topic

The kessel run have any other prizes or was it just ships?

These matters can be tricky. Because however nice you come across the other guy might take it as a personal jab at him and how he is running an event. How did the others feel about the event. If they also feel the same way, as a group you could approach the TO and express your concerns. Strength in numbers.

I would try your best and get in contact with the TO before this event so he can be prepared as well.

Id be willing to bet that this TO is going play in this event no matter what. Must of us do. I don't think that should be a problem. But he should be running it as a swiss event.

I judge another game also. Heroclix. And a few issues have come up lately that I wasn't sure how to handle. I talked to the shop owner and we came to this conclusion. WWMD. W hat W ould M agic D o. Magic being probably the best selling and longest played card game must be doing something right.

If you have nothing to contribute then don't bother

Btw

Sorry to the Op his thread kind of went off topic

The kessel run have any other prizes or was it just ships?

It was just ships. If memory servers me right each kit had for LS one Millennium Falcon and two A-Wing's and DS got Slave-1 and two Tie Interceptors. Then top four each got a ship and the TO got the other two.

Krynn is the kind of gamer who makes store owners not want to try new events. Sorry, but it's the truth.

Krynn is the kind of gamer who makes store owners not want to try new events. Sorry, but it's the truth.

Most of the time I'm pretty quiet

I know I'm not alone because I've seen lots of threads where people were unhappy with their To, so it's not like I'm a unique case. At least in my case I believe the TO really didn't know the tournament rules that well, unlike others I've read where they've originally changed the format to benefitthemselves, which is why I believe ffg now requires a second if one intends on to play

Everyone had fun last time, and the people there were great and as I mentioned I believe it was the first time the TO had done such a thing so I don't hold it against him.

What I'm wondering is by how much do the rules need to be enforced?

I've had some tell me I should contact ffg and report the store and To to them, but what does that do?

In his defense I don't think he knew and neither did I, but now I know.

I also mentioned that I had to travel and I'm not the only one. There were others from my area who went there and other places not so close by.

We don't live in a city of a million plus people that have a dozen different stores like in some places.

I'm actually usually pretty laid back and don't stir the pot to often so to hunterest may I suggest you to stfu. You know nothing about me, nor the circumstances.

That is why I ask the community here. Unlike hunter most are very helpful and give great advice. Ive seen some posts where some are very strict by the rules and I just wondered in my case if I'm being too anal. Should I speak up? Or just let it slide?

Others have suggested reporting, others say go along with it.

Doesn't hurt to ask the community what their thoughts are on the subject.

Competitive play is just that. Competitive,and when I play, I'm pretty competitive, which there is nothing wrong with that.

If it was a friendly local game with no cost or prizes, I could care less if they decide to play on 1x2 ft surface with a gnome standing in the middle

If you have nothing to contribute then don't bother

Btw

Sorry to the Op his thread kind of went off topic

The kessel run have any other prizes or was it just ships?

It was just ships. If memory servers me right each kit had for LS one Millennium Falcon and two A-Wing's and DS got Slave-1 and two Tie Interceptors. Then top four each got a ship and the TO got the other two.

So for this event nobody knows except that top place picks first and then second place, etc etc

So according to the rules it says that the top players make a squad with the wave 4 ships and play against each other.

I was wondering what does the winner of that get, if anything?

Krynn is the kind of gamer who makes store owners not want to try new events. Sorry, but it's the truth.

I don't see how asking questions about following rules and making an event fair for everyone would make a store owner not want to have any new events.

Most of the time I'm pretty quiet

I know I'm not alone because I've seen lots of threads where people were unhappy with their To, so it's not like I'm a unique case. At least in my case I believe the TO really didn't know the tournament rules that well, unlike others I've read where they've originally changed the format to benefitthemselves, which is why I believe ffg now requires a second if one intends on to play

Everyone had fun last time, and the people there were great and as I mentioned I believe it was the first time the TO had done such a thing so I don't hold it against him.

What I'm wondering is by how much do the rules need to be enforced?

I've had some tell me I should contact ffg and report the store and To to them, but what does that do?

In his defense I don't think he knew and neither did I, but now I know.

I also mentioned that I had to travel and I'm not the only one. There were others from my area who went there and other places not so close by.

We don't live in a city of a million plus people that have a dozen different stores like in some places.

I'm actually usually pretty laid back and don't stir the pot to often so to hunterest may I suggest you to stfu. You know nothing about me, nor the circumstances.

That is why I ask the community here. Unlike hunter most are very helpful and give great advice. Ive seen some posts where some are very strict by the rules and I just wondered in my case if I'm being too anal. Should I speak up? Or just let it slide?

Others have suggested reporting, others say go along with it.

Doesn't hurt to ask the community what their thoughts are on the subject.

Competitive play is just that. Competitive,and when I play, I'm pretty competitive, which there is nothing wrong with that.

If it was a friendly local game with no cost or prizes, I could care less if they decide to play on 1x2 ft surface with a gnome standing in the middle

If I was a store owner, just getting started on these events, and I had a little mouth-breather salivating at the chance to 'turn me in' because I didn't do everything juuuuust the right way, I wouldn't even bother with the events. Either that, or I'd find a reason to bar said customer from the events for attempts to disrupt the event.

No point in having the additional stress of a toxic customer writing nastygrams to FFG about me or doing whatever he/she could to get me in trouble with a supplier. I was trying my best to cultivate a community and a fun event, while still learning the ropes of being a TO. Wouldn't be worth the effort at that point.

Lol makes sense

Was just wondering if they had any more prizes for the tip players, like a certificate or something.

Either way that Kool.

I just wish they my area had more events.

I've actually been trying to find people in my area with little to no success

Krynn is the kind of gamer who makes store owners not want to try new events. Sorry, but it's the truth.

I don't see how asking questions about following rules and making an event fair for everyone would make a store owner not want to have any new events.

Most of the time I'm pretty quiet

I know I'm not alone because I've seen lots of threads where people were unhappy with their To, so it's not like I'm a unique case. At least in my case I believe the TO really didn't know the tournament rules that well, unlike others I've read where they've originally changed the format to benefitthemselves, which is why I believe ffg now requires a second if one intends on to play

Everyone had fun last time, and the people there were great and as I mentioned I believe it was the first time the TO had done such a thing so I don't hold it against him.

What I'm wondering is by how much do the rules need to be enforced?

I've had some tell me I should contact ffg and report the store and To to them, but what does that do?

In his defense I don't think he knew and neither did I, but now I know.

I also mentioned that I had to travel and I'm not the only one. There were others from my area who went there and other places not so close by.

We don't live in a city of a million plus people that have a dozen different stores like in some places.

I'm actually usually pretty laid back and don't stir the pot to often so to hunterest may I suggest you to stfu. You know nothing about me, nor the circumstances.

That is why I ask the community here. Unlike hunter most are very helpful and give great advice. Ive seen some posts where some are very strict by the rules and I just wondered in my case if I'm being too anal. Should I speak up? Or just let it slide?

Others have suggested reporting, others say go along with it.

Doesn't hurt to ask the community what their thoughts are on the subject.

Competitive play is just that. Competitive,and when I play, I'm pretty competitive, which there is nothing wrong with that.

If it was a friendly local game with no cost or prizes, I could care less if they decide to play on 1x2 ft surface with a gnome standing in the middle

If I was a store owner, just getting started on these events, and I had a little mouth-breather salivating at the chance to 'turn me in' because I didn't do everything juuuuust the right way, I wouldn't even bother with the events. Either that, or I'd find a reason to bar said customer from the events for attempts to disrupt the event.

No point in having the additional stress of a toxic customer writing nastygrams to FFG about me or doing whatever he/she could to get me in trouble with a supplier. I was trying my best to cultivate a community and a fun event, while still learning the ropes of being a TO. Wouldn't be worth the effort at that point.

I don't think it was the TO intent on breaking the rules, but there are those out there who probably would try to bend the rules in order to benifit themselves. People have talked about that on here.

I don't want to piss off the organizer at this event, but I was thinking of just pointing out the correct way If he doesn't quite understand.

I mean there are prizes involved, but that is not the main reason why I go. I go because it's the only way for me to find other players. With that said I do like to have it run the way ffg states so.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Or is there?

I was just curious though that if the TO doesn't listen or alters the rules what is the best way to handle it

Back on topic,

Some store owners give judges a % off on their purchase. Others compensate judges with product.

Just to reiterate, a TO should never participate in an event in which he is serving as an official. There is an obvious conflict of interest that should be avoided at all costs, and if a second person cannot be found to adjudicate the event, that's just too bad for the TO.

Just to reiterate, a TO should never participate in an event in which he is serving as an official. There is an obvious conflict of interest that should be avoided at all costs, and if a second person cannot be found to adjudicate the event, that's just too bad for the TO.

This is a rather extreme statement.

While you do need to avoid conflicts of interest, excluding an active and dedicated player is not the only way to do so. The actual TO has two roles: pairing and scoring management, and rules adjudication.

There's really no potential for conflict of interest in the management side. I'd say it's a glorified bookkeeper role, but actual bookkeepers probably get more glory. The process is entirely mechanical, and verifiable if anyone has any concerns.

For rules adjudication, a second judge to handle rules issue which may arise in the TO's game covers that nicely. Worst case you'd need a third to handle a game between the two primaries.

So it's easily circumvented by structural choices meant to prevent a TO from influencing the event to their benefit.

More importantly, though, your core assumption is inherently flawed. Disallowing a TO from playing in the event assumes that the only potential conflict of interest for the TO relates to their personal victory. Since (despite common stereotypes) most of us have friends, I think the problem there should be obvious.

I know a judge who frequently adjudicates Magic events that he participates in, and it always rankles. Wizards has a long standing rule of which this is a direct violation, and said judge has even caused me a match loss before. I don't think it's as extreme a circumstance as you believe it to be.

Just to reiterate, a TO should never participate in an event in which he is serving as an official. There is an obvious conflict of interest that should be avoided at all costs, and if a second person cannot be found to adjudicate the event, that's just too bad for the TO.

I share Buhallin's thoughts on this.

By disqualifying TOs from playing all you are doing is lowering the quality of your TO. You say it's just to bad for the TO, but why would someone put themselves in a TO position in that case. They just won't volunteer to do it and will pass off the duties to uninterested store employee #7. That's the reality of what happens in a game of this size when you mandate a dedicated TO. The experienced players that know the game and know the rules opt to play, because that's what they like most, and you end up with a TO that doesn't have to know the rules that they are now going to act as judge for.

Buhallin noted the structural ways to limit any conflict of interests to a point that it is no more present then when the TO is not playing, because as stated there still can be a conflict on interests due to friends involved.

All your doing in many cases is forcing your good TOs into passing the duties off to venue employees that are not guaranteed to know how the game works.

I know a judge who frequently adjudicates Magic events that he participates in, and it always rankles. Wizards has a long standing rule of which this is a direct violation, and said judge has even caused me a match loss before. I don't think it's as extreme a circumstance as you believe it to be.

This pretty much avoids everything I was actually saying.

First, I presented several ways to mitigate the conflict of interest - were any of them in place?

Second, would that match loss have been prevented if the same TO was just as biased in favor of a friend you were playing against?

I know a judge who frequently adjudicates Magic events that he participates in, and it always rankles. Wizards has a long standing rule of which this is a direct violation, and said judge has even caused me a match loss before. I don't think it's as extreme a circumstance as you believe it to be.

Wizards also has a much more structure organized play system, that incorporates so many more players, and actually has a Wizards run Judge program in place. Official events have to have a certified Judge at them. Those Judges are tested on their knowledge of the game.

This is not the case with X-wing or any FFG game. They do not have the structure, size, scope, or resources behind their OP program to make the comparison between them and Wizards.

Once you remove your experienced players from TOing by forcing them to chose between playing (aka the reason they are involved in the game) and TOing, you have no reason to assume the new TO will have any knowledge about the game they are now officiating.

This is a huge problem with FFGs Regional system as they disallow player TOs, but unlike Wizards do not have a system in place to vet those that are now going to TO events they expect players to drive 4-6 hours for,

Honestly I TO events for a bunch of different games including X-Wing. Some systems give TO something for running the event (like Monsterpocalypse did) and most do not provide anything for TO's (like Warmachine, Infinity, and X-Wing). While it is nice to get something I can live without it and in the case of this particluar event I can wait patiently to get next wave.

Why do I run events well I run events so I can grow the player base at the store to ensure I have players to play against. I enjoy running events and while I would love to play (mainly cuz it is a bit lonely watching others play with their toys and I am not) I believe the TO should not, except in the case of byes, play. In the case of a bye; the bye player gets the win so playing a game just fills in the time for the player... I, as TO, just want a game. :-)

If I want to play in a tourney I will admit I spoiled as there are a large number of stores within an 1 hour drive of my house that I can go to get my butt handed to me but I would never think of playing in a tourney that I was running. Too many complications, too many brusied egos if arguements or ruling questions go the wrong way. Lets be honest when prizes like these come into play there are a few players that can get bent out of shape pretty easily if the TO beats them or a ruling goes against them.

Warmachine

If you are a PG you get things for running events in that system.

I just want to give a shout out to Sean who was the TO at the Bellevue Regional this Saturday. He ran an awesome event and was ahead of the time line all day and best of all he gave away his translucent dice to the 9th place finisher. Awesome TO.