Regardless of any legal mumbo jumbo saying what FF can and can't do with this game, I think the biggest thing for me why I wouldn't want to see the prequel ships is the ships themselves.
The republic ships are all awesome! All of the republic ships are fantastic and would be super fun to fly.
All of the separatist ships are BORING! No one would want to fly the CIS over the republic because the republic ships are all so much cooler.
Would you rather have a jedi starfighter, or a vulture droid?
Regardless of any legal mumbo jumbo saying what FF can and can't do with this game, I think the biggest thing for me why I wouldn't want to see the prequel ships is the ships themselves.
The republic ships are all awesome! All of the republic ships are fantastic and would be super fun to fly.
All of the separatist ships are BORING! No one would want to fly the CIS over the republic because the republic ships are all so much cooler.
Would you rather have a jedi starfighter, or a vulture droid?
Meh, I kinda like the Vulure Droids.
The are cool in that "stupid robot humor" category.
I'm currently planning a 'nubian sectoral' a la infinity. Just for giggles. I'm having a j327 and a squad of n1's done for a couple of home brew scenarios. Also, chrome. Pretty chrome.
The only prequel ship I would want to see is the V-Wing. It did serve in the Empire, according to Wookieepedia, for some time after the Clone Wars before becoming more of a pirate ship.
If FFG did an Empire V-Wing I'd buy some, but other than that I wouldn't collect prequel stuff. Even though I like the Vulture Droid Fighters, buzz droid missiles and I dare to suggest a small liking for Naboo Fighters.
The only prequel ship I would want to see is the V-Wing. It did serve in the Empire, according to Wookieepedia, for some time after the Clone Wars before becoming more of a pirate ship.
If FFG did an Empire V-Wing I'd buy some, but other than that I wouldn't collect prequel stuff. Even though I like the Vulture Droid Fighters, buzz droid missiles and I dare to suggest a small liking for Naboo Fighters.
I guess I'm wrong then assuming no one liked Vulture droids and their ilk. I love all the republic ships.
It would be cool to see a V-Wing for the empire, though it would probably have to be a ship with an outdated feel to it, like the Z-95, which was also used by the republic as seen in The Clone Wars.
I guess I'm wrong then assuming no one liked Vulture droids and their ilk. I love all the republic ships.
It would be cool to see a V-Wing for the empire, though it would probably have to be a ship with an outdated feel to it, like the Z-95, which was also used by the republic as seen in The Clone Wars.
I just love the pre-Tie look of a V-Wing. For the same reason I find myself really liking the Z-95.
But you're right, at least from my vote, that I don't like the Vulture enough to buy them.
Well, the biggest reason you won't see prequel ships ... is not because anyone doesn't want them, but that they arent rebellion era ships.. which the game is set in... really kind of simple...
Vulture Droids: Pilot Skill: 0 Attack: 2 Defense: 3 Hull: 2 Shields: 0
And then make them 9-11 points a piece and have the biggest swarm imaginable!
I could see Naboo Starfighters as Attack: 2 Defense: 3 Hull: 2 Shields 2 or 3
Droid Tri-Fighters - Attack 3 Defense 3 Hull 3 Shields 1
There are droid bombers and other such things from Clone Wars available, and ships like the geonosian fighters, and Asajii Ventress's fighter, and some of the bounty hunters from that time period.
As for republic, there is a lot of good stuff...
Well, the biggest reason you won't see prequel ships ... is not because anyone doesn't want them, but that they arent rebellion era ships.. which the game is set in... really kind of simple...
I'm not well-versed in the EU, but Wookieepedia says the E-Wing is from the New Republic era.
Personally I'd love to see the Arc-170 in the game. That and the Y-wing without the engine cowlings removed and maybe a crew slot.
The ARC would essentially be a more robust version of the B - Crew slot and Astromech slot, Attack 3, more maneuverable (maybe a 2 instead of the B's 1 agility), Hull 3, Shields 4. Give it a Torpedo slot and cannon upgrade (with a turret possible) and you're all set..
It is.. I remember something about FFG stating this is a game set in the rebellion era, but I dont think there is an issue with an EU republic era ship. I think the comment was designed to squelch the talk of prequel stuff.. as in.. won't happen..
My point in this was that as far as the ships are concerned there's a lot to love with both the Rebellion and the Empire. When it comes to the CIS and the Republic, it's pretty one sided as far as cool ships go. That's all I was getting at.
Would you rather have a jedi starfighter, or a vulture droid?
Vulture Droid. Definitely Vulture Droid. CIS have the best toys.
I'm not well-versed in the EU, but Wookieepedia says the E-Wing is from the New Republic era.
New Republic, Rebel Alliance, they're pretty much the same faction. The E-wing fits. The V-19 Torrent does not.
Edited by LagomorphiaI actually wouldn't mind a prequel game, as I like many of the ships from that... I just think there isn't enough to keep it going long..
Clone Wars era ships were used throughout and after the Rebellion and as far as I know both sides have used some of those. So how about this idea - a Wave X consisting of 4 CloneWars era ships (maybe ARC-170, V-Wing, ETA-2 and V19 Torrent) all of which can be used by either side? Maybe differentiate the sides by the use of different pilots.
Thoughts?
Seems to me that they're already stretching the meaning of "Rebels" when it comes to the E-Wing's faction, so it wouldn't surprise me if we see some more stretching into the past, although the factions of the "good guys" and "bad guys" are definitely muddier there.
It think the two biggest problems with prequel ships would be power level and who gets what.
The republic became the empire and while the Alliance propaganda machine claims to be the real republic they are only so ideologically, not in any kind of technological or military tradition basis.
Power level the headhunter and Y-wings stuck around because they were robust and customizable enough to not be useless later on. Most other ships, even if they were technically on par, didn't live up to that. You couldn't supe up the engines, you couldn't repair them as easily and so they fell to better craft that their fellows managed to co-exist with.
Edited by VonpenguinIt think the two biggest problems with prequel ships would be power level and who gets what.
The republic became the empire and while the Alliance propaganda machine claims to be the real republic they are only so ideologically, not in any kind of technological or military tradition basis.
Power level the headhunter and Y-wings stuck around because they were robust and customizable enough to not be useless later on. Most other ships, even if they were technically on par, didn't live up to that. You couldn't supe up the engines, you couldn't repair them as easily and so they fell to better craft that their fellows managed to co-exist with.
+1 to all of this. You can't map Separatist vs. Republic to the Rebellion vs. Empire dichotomy we're currently living with, which means we're not likely to see prequel fighters unless they decide to do two complete new factions--and my feeling is that's unlikely, if only because there aren't enough ships for those factions to be competitive.
The Republic became the Empire. Republic ships became the Empire ships. Saying that you can't compare the two is like saying you can't compare Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers. I know not all Stormtroopers are clones, or at least not clones of Jango Fett, but you can clearly see that what once was Republic now is Empire.
But
I'll grant that to be a Separatist does not mean being a Rebel. Rebels as we currently know them are part of the Rebel Alliance and far from being Separatist they want to restore the Republic which the Separatists were separating from...
My brain hurts
The Republic became the Empire. Republic ships became the Empire ships. Saying that you can't compare the two is like saying you can't compare Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers. I know not all Stormtroopers are clones, or at least not clones of Jango Fett, but you can clearly see that what once was Republic now is Empire.
But
I'll grant that to be a Separatist does not mean being a Rebel. Rebels as we currently know them are part of the Rebel Alliance and far from being Separatist they want to restore the Republic which the Separatists were separating from...
You can compare the factions, but the conflicts themselves are drastically different. The republic, while corrupt, was largely benevolent or at least benign, the Empire was actively oppressive. The Separatists had the military power and resources to wage a full scaled war as opposed to the small scale guerrilla actions of the rebel alliance.
There is also the gameplay element, the republic vs separatists was clones against droids, both mass produced but droids were both more expendable and less individualistic, so the "rebels" of that conflict used the swarm tactics that the "rebels" of the original trilogy avoided. It would overall end up being a hot mess.
I would not however, be opposed to putting them out as factions in their own right, possibly in a side line to keep the purists happy. But the fluff does not support combining them at all since a standard tie vs most clone era stuff would probably need to face two in order for it to be fair. The weren't big on safety but they were highly advance fighters when the first hit the hanger deck.
Edited by VonpenguinI wouldn't worry about power level:
1. SW is a stagnated universe where technical breakthroughs are mostly made during wars.
2. Ships like the ARC and the Torrent are quite heavily armed so they should be able to hold their own against the newer ships.
3. The ETA-2 was made in small numbers (for Jedi only) and was super advanced - just too expensive and twitchy for mass production.
4. Old, cheap ships also mean less squad points so there's balance.
And for the factions, I really think it would be interesting to see a ship which works for both sides, having different pilots for each (one generic plus two named pilots for each side sounds reasonable).
I'd actually quite like to see this done in such a manner.
You can compare the factions, but the conflicts themselves are drastically different. The republic, while corrupt, was largely benevolent or at least benign, the Empire was actively oppressive. The Separatists had the military power and resources to wage a full scaled war as opposed to the small scale guerrilla actions of the rebel alliance.
There is also the gameplay element, the republic vs separatists was clones against droids, both mass produced but droids were both more expendable and less individualistic, so the "rebels" of that conflict used the swarm tactics that the "rebels" of the original trilogy avoided. It would overall end up being a hot mess.
I would not however, be opposed to putting them out as factions in their own right, possibly in a side line to keep the purists happy. But the fluff does not support combining them at all since a standard tie vs most clone era stuff would probably need to face two in order for it to be fair. The weren't big on safety but they were highly advance fighters when the first hit the hanger deck.
Thanks, you can probably tell my point was falling apart but I posted it anyway. Just in case something made sense...
...my brain still hurts
Edited by AgentShadowThe Republic became the Empire. Republic ships became the Empire ships. Saying that you can't compare the two is like saying you can't compare Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers. I know not all Stormtroopers are clones, or at least not clones of Jango Fett, but you can clearly see that what once was Republic now is Empire.
But
I'll grant that to be a Separatist does not mean being a Rebel. Rebels as we currently know them are part of the Rebel Alliance and far from being Separatist they want to restore the Republic which the Separatists were separating from...
But the ARC fighter became the X wing? The Republic was the good guys, and the rebels are the good guys....
Your prequel ships are the Z-95, the Y-wing and the Slave I. Those are the ones that fit in the ABY era of X-wing.
The Republic became the Empire. Republic ships became the Empire ships. Saying that you can't compare the two is like saying you can't compare Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers. I know not all Stormtroopers are clones, or at least not clones of Jango Fett, but you can clearly see that what once was Republic now is Empire.
But
I'll grant that to be a Separatist does not mean being a Rebel. Rebels as we currently know them are part of the Rebel Alliance and far from being Separatist they want to restore the Republic which the Separatists were separating from...
But the ARC fighter became the X wing? The Republic was the good guys, and the rebels are the good guys....
I thought the Z-95 became the X-Wing which then became the E-Wing?
I did say that the Rebel Alliance were fighting to restore the Republic so yeah I got no disagreement there...
...from a certain point of view