I use a wide variety of lists, mainly with the purpose of trying out pilots and upgrades I haven't as much before as opposed to what is the most efficient or popular.

Lists may not be the problem then. Does he make his own or do you make his?

I mainly play imperial and him rebel. We switch it up every once in a while but I think it's important that he learns how to use rebel ships well before trying imps.

I disagree there. Alternate every game or at least go for rough parity.

Could you also reiterate in more detail what exactly he's doing wrong?

I use a wide variety of lists, mainly with the purpose of trying out pilots and upgrades I haven't as much before as opposed to what is the most efficient or popular.

Lists may not be the problem then. Does he make his own or do you make his?

I mainly play imperial and him rebel. We switch it up every once in a while but I think it's important that he learns how to use rebel ships well before trying imps.

I disagree there. Alternate every game or at least go for rough parity.

Could you also reiterate in more detail what exactly he's doing wrong?

For a while we both made our own lists, and I would give him some guidance. But after a while he didn't improve much so I began giving him lists I made to highlight the abilities of certain cards so he would be more aware of what upgrades and pilots he could use. The main problem is that he does not recognize the distinct abilities of certain ships and upgrades on both sides, and uses the same strategy ever single game. He has not learned over time, and he is too dependent on the falcon for a crutch. I'm just looking to get the whole thing to click in all aspects of the game, which I anticipated would happen soon after I introduced the game but it didn't. And they key to that click in my opinion was just simplifying everything and letting him discover the obvious strategies on his own, and build off that.

I've been playing this game for over a year now, and I love it. The whole time I really only have had one opponent, who I got into the game so I could have someone to play with. We started with core sets and worked or way up from there. Over time, I have eliminated many of my beginner problems and experimented with many different pilots and upgrades to increase my skill level. My opponent on the other hand, has not. No matter what list I give him, with only a few types of ships and upgrades he can't seem to see the individuality of the different ships and pilots. He will always play almost the exact same strategy no matter what he has. To him, an A Wing and an X wing have little difference in how you play them, or biggs and wedge, or an interceptor and a B Wing, etc. This has obviously made our games much less enjoyable given the fact that he's not a very good opponent due to this problem.Can anyone give me some ideas other than simplifying lists to convince him that every ship and pilot is unique, and they require different strategies?

Wow dude, you're upset because your friend doesn't play the way you want him to? Did you ever think that maybe he's having fun playing the way he plays? He obviously doesn't want your advice, trying to force it upon him is bad form.

HunterEste, on 03 May 2014 - 4:41 PM, said:

AdmiralThrawn, on 02 May 2014 - 12:02 PM, said:

I've been playing this game for over a year now, and I love it. The whole time I really only have had one opponent, who I got into the game so I could have someone to play with. We started with core sets and worked or way up from there. Over time, I have eliminated many of my beginner problems and experimented with many different pilots and upgrades to increase my skill level. My opponent on the other hand, has not. No matter what list I give him, with only a few types of ships and upgrades he can't seem to see the individuality of the different ships and pilots. He will always play almost the exact same strategy no matter what he has. To him, an A Wing and an X wing have little difference in how you play them, or biggs and wedge, or an interceptor and a B Wing, etc. This has obviously made our games much less enjoyable given the fact that he's not a very good opponent due to this problem.Can anyone give me some ideas other than simplifying lists to convince him that every ship and pilot is unique, and they require different strategies?

Wow dude, you're upset because your friend doesn't play the way you want him to? Did you ever think that maybe he's having fun playing the way he plays? He obviously doesn't want your advice, trying to force it upon him is bad form.

Your right. I think that in me getting so wrapped up in all of the aspects of this amazing game, and being pretty much obsessed over it, I wanted my friend to do the same. I got too ahead of myself and forgot to just enjoy blowing up little space ships with people I enjoy the company of. Everybody learns and evolves at different pace, and I shouldn't assume my friend to do so at the rate of me and I'm sure many of the other gamers on this forum. The purpose of this thread was to help someone improve and have as much fun as I was, and maybe he was already experiencing that. Thank you all for helping me see that, and I hope you all have many happy X Wing games in the future, no matter who your playing with.

Sabotage the hyperdrive on the Millenium Falcon, and then everything should slowly fall into place.

Coming from a teaching perspective, there are three different type of learners:

1. those that listen and learn
2. those that watch and learn
3. and those that have to do it to learn.

Identify what sort of learner your friend is and try an appropriate coaching method.

Good luck

I've been playing this game for over a year now, and I love it. The whole time I really only have had one opponent, who I got into the game so I could have someone to play with. We started with core sets and worked or way up from there. Over time, I have eliminated many of my beginner problems and experimented with many different pilots and upgrades to increase my skill level. My opponent on the other hand, has not. No matter what list I give him, with only a few types of ships and upgrades he can't seem to see the individuality of the different ships and pilots. He will always play almost the exact same strategy no matter what he has. To him, an A Wing and an X wing have little difference in how you play them, or biggs and wedge, or an interceptor and a B Wing, etc. This has obviously made our games much less enjoyable given the fact that he's not a very good opponent due to this problem.Can anyone give me some ideas other than simplifying lists to convince him that every ship and pilot is unique, and they require different strategies?

Wow dude, you're upset because your friend doesn't play the way you want him to? Did you ever think that maybe he's having fun playing the way he plays? He obviously doesn't want your advice, trying to force it upon him is bad form.

In his defense I don't think he's complaining so much because his friend is playing "wrong" so much as he wants it to be an actual challenge, not all of us have large gamer groups or local stores to hit up so if you have three opponents and only one isn't instantly crushed if you aren't napping during the game it is a lot less fun.