I was thinking about running the following A-Wing build as a backup ship.

Green

-A-Wing Test Pilot

-PTL

-Predator or Outmaneuver

-Chardaan Refit

23 Points

Has anyone tried something like this yet? Have you found that Outmaneuver or Predator Buffs the firepower enough to make up for the Firepower 2.

I was thinking about running 4 (maybe upgrading one to Tycho) since it would work on the same principles of a Tie Swarm, just a little hardier on a per ship basis, while having less hit points, and able to maintain effectiveness spread out.

Both EPTs help; if you can get Outmaneuver to trigger reliably I like its effect a bit better, especially given the low Attack.

I'd like to try Opportunist and Predator, the latter negating the need to take a focus or TL as an action.

4 GSP with title, refit and the above two EPT at 24 pts each.

Well Chardaan Refit, I was thinking about this,

2- Prototype with CR (30)

2- z95 with ion (30)

1- ORS (27)

Or

3- Prototype with CR (45)

1- Airen crack (19)

2- Z95 with ion (30)

Or

3- Prototype with CR (30)

2- ORS (54)

I really like the thought of

3 - Prototype with CR (45)

1 - Han/Chewie

I'd like to try Opportunist and Predator, the latter negating the need to take a focus or TL as an action.

4 GSP with title, refit and the above two EPT at 24 pts each.

I was using Voidstate and it came to 23. Is that incorrect?

Outmaneuver + PTL (+obv the test pilot and Chaardan) should be a go to for single flanking Green Squadron Pilots. It comes in at 23 points, so they should fit into most lists that a GSP + PTL currently fits into. It makes it almost as deadly as an X wing.

3F vs 3F = .64 damage. 2FTL vs. 2F = .66 damage

4F vs 3F = 1.23 damage. 3FTL vs 2F = 1.12 damage

3F vs 2F = .91 damage. 2FTL vs. 1F = 1.21 damage

4F vs 2F = 1.77 damage. 3FTL vs. 1F = 1.96 damage

3F vs. 1F = 1.63 damage. 2FTL vs. 0F = 1.88 damage

4F vs. 1F = 2.38 damage. 3FTL vs. 0F = 2.25 damage

As you can see, the damage with outmaneuver is withing ~10% of a standard X/B wing against all targets. While I am only showing the results for defensive focuses, the results are similar for non-focus defenders. It's not quite as good as having an extra die by itself, but the fact that you can action stack makes it normally pay off.

Note that this is assuming F+TL. Which is only one of the uses of PTL. Others can be to boost into R1, or arc dodge, or to turtle up with F+E.

Outmaneuver + PTL (+obv the test pilot and Chaardan) should be a go to for single flanking Green Squadron Pilots. It comes in at 23 points, so they should fit into most lists that a GSP + PTL currently fits into. It makes it almost as deadly as an X wing.

3F vs 3F = .64 damage. 2FTL vs. 2F = .66 damage

4F vs 3F = 1.23 damage. 3FTL vs 2F = 1.12 damage

3F vs 2F = .91 damage. 2FTL vs. 1F = 1.21 damage

4F vs 2F = 1.77 damage. 3FTL vs. 1F = 1.96 damage

3F vs. 1F = 1.63 damage. 2FTL vs. 0F = 1.88 damage

4F vs. 1F = 2.38 damage. 3FTL vs. 0F = 2.25 damage

As you can see, the damage with outmaneuver is withing ~10% of a standard X/B wing against all targets. While I am only showing the results for defensive focuses, the results are similar for non-focus defenders. It's not quite as good as having an extra die by itself, but the fact that you can action stack makes it normally pay off.

Note that this is assuming F+TL. Which is only one of the uses of PTL. Others can be to boost into R1, or arc dodge, or to turtle up with F+E.

Awesome. Have you done the math for an A-Wing that Focuses (no TL) but has at least the one reroll from Predator?

Just one other thought with ps1 you can out swarm a swarm with just having 6 a-wings because of the ps1. Your left with 10 points for upgrades. I think it's nice to have beefy ships with pred or outman but at the end of the day swarm wins because you can afford to lose 3 or 4 ships and be effective point for point if your running green with pred or outman your limited to 5 ships vs basic would be 6. Plus if you mix 3 z95 with ion and 3 a-wings you can get a couple good turns of damage with little return fire if any.

@SpaceDingo... I haven't yet. All of my math is based in actual formulas for each result instead of in a fancy smancy matrawb script. And I haven't gotten around to including single reroll math yet, though today seems to be a light day at work, so maybe I'll work on it some.

Just one other thought with ps1 you can out swarm a swarm with just having 6 a-wings because of the ps1. Your left with 10 points for upgrades. I think it's nice to have beefy ships with pred or outman but at the end of the day swarm wins because you can afford to lose 3 or 4 ships and be effective point for point if your running green with pred or outman your limited to 5 ships vs basic would be 6. Plus if you mix 3 z95 with ion and 3 a-wings you can get a couple good turns of damage with little return fire if any.

Herm... now I want to run 5 prototypes with 2 Bandits... 7 TI... er... 7 Rebel swarm!!! Have the A wings screen for the Z95s...

@SpaceDingo... I haven't yet. All of my math is based in actual formulas for each result instead of in a fancy smancy matrawb script. And I haven't gotten around to including single reroll math yet, though today seems to be a light day at work, so maybe I'll work on it some.

Hey, no problem man. You owe nothing to a faceless man inside an electronic box.

Just one other thought with ps1 you can out swarm a swarm with just having 6 a-wings because of the ps1. Your left with 10 points for upgrades. I think it's nice to have beefy ships with pred or outman but at the end of the day swarm wins because you can afford to lose 3 or 4 ships and be effective point for point if your running green with pred or outman your limited to 5 ships vs basic would be 6. Plus if you mix 3 z95 with ion and 3 a-wings you can get a couple good turns of damage with little return fire if any.

Herm... now I want to run 5 prototypes with 2 Bandits... 7 TI... er... 7 Rebel swarm!!! Have the A wings screen for the Z95s...

If you do run basic zs without missiles you have 7 ships on the board for rebels That is sick!

Okay, well, I haven't run the results vs. defensive dice yet, but I can go ahead and give you a table of projected hits between F, FTL, and FR (where R = 1 die reroll... so it could be HR, Krassis, or Predator) ... at some point i'll do the same for no focus reroll, and dual rerolls (for predator against low PS, and for jonus)

Edit for FFG forums table fail:

Average # of hits rolled

# Dice Naked F FTL FR R

1 .5 .75 .94 .94 .75

2 1 1.5 1.88 1.83 1.38

3 1.5 2.25 2.81 2.68 1.94

4 2 3 3.75 3.51 2.47

5 2.5 3.75 4.69 4.32 2.98

6 3 4.5 5.63 5.12 3.49

I'm actually surprised at how well the predator reroll works. Even with 4 dice its 95.3% as deadly as the FTL. Given... you could look at it by saying the TL increases it by .75 hits, while predator only increases

by .51, which is only 66% as effective (which is probably the right way to look at it).

I've done a bit.

I didn't like a decked out Green. The -2 Chardaan helps, but I still don't like him for his points

I liked a 15 point prototype. Very comfortable amount to spend on an A-WIng

I REALLY liked Jake Farrell with VI and PtL. He's all over the place. So much so that the opponent doesn't even want to think about pinning him down, so they don't even bother to position to--just focus on everything else and deal with him later. Fine by me.

Added hit results for 1 reroll w/o focus. Next up I'm going to go through the expected damage and then I'll go through the dual reroll.

Okay... So A wing w/ Focus and Predator:

2FR vs. 3F = .32

2FR vs. 2F = .65

2FR vs. 1F = 1.21

3FR vs. 3F = .91

3FR vs. 2F = 1.17

3FR vs. 1F = 2.06

2FR vs. 3 = .82

2FR vs. 2 = 1.11

2FR vs. 1 = 1.46

3FR vs. 3 = 1.59

3FR vs. 2 = 1.94

3FR vs. 1 = 2.31

One green loaded out to ~23-24 + Jake and anyone who can grant an action is pretty much my favorite rebel play test right now. Lot spunk for ~50pts on those 2 ships.

I'd like to try Opportunist and Predator, the latter negating the need to take a focus or TL as an action.

4 GSP with title, refit and the above two EPT at 24 pts each.

I was using Voidstate and it came to 23. Is that incorrect?

19 for a GSP

-2 for the refit

Opportunist 4 pts

Predator 3

24.