@MajorJuggler

An oldie just won the Frankfurt Nürnberg!

Soontir Fel with PTL and Howlrunner with 4 Obsidians!

Well that's a first for wave 4 not being won by either a Phantom or a named Falcon! I think that they didn't have elimination rounds, but I'm not sure. That could have affected the way things played out.

Pardon my ignorance, but I'm confused by the description "Frankfurt Nurnburg". There was a Regional at Frankfurt several weeks ago (won by 4x Royal Guards), and this week's Regional was at Nurnburg. I assume you must be referring to the recent Regional.

Also, if you have another forum / link where the info is posted, then please share. Otherwise please keep digging!

@MajorJuggler
Pardon me ^^ i'am still tired from the World Cup party - fourth star for germany *-* anyway - of course it was the Regional South in Nürnberg - the last german Regional before the DM, in my post

BTW: No Elimnation Round - just 6 Rounds of Swiss with 45 players!

Thats my source: http://moseisleyraumhafen.forumieren.com/t2535-liveticker-spielberichte-regional-sud-2014

I am not sure how good your german is - some players posted their lists & some want to hide them for the german nationals in August - maybe it's a good idea to mail the TO?

@MajorJuggler

Pardon me ^^ i'am still tired from the World Cup party - fourth star for germany *-* anyway - of course it was the Regional South in Nürnberg - the last german Regional before the DM, in my post

BTW: No Elimnation Round - just 6 Rounds of Swiss with 45 players!

Thats my source: http://moseisleyraumhafen.forumieren.com/t2535-liveticker-spielberichte-regional-sud-2014

I am not sure how good your german is - some players posted their lists & some want to hide them for the german nationals in August - maybe it's a good idea to mail the TO?

I don't know any German at all, just google translate!

Got contact info for the TO? I sent an email to the store through the store's website so maybe they can get me in touch with the TO. In the meantime, we will certainly take any info for squads #1 - #15 that are available.

Minor update, I got an email from the TO running the Kingston match, and they confirmed that actual attendance was 32. 38 signed up, but 32 showed. They don't have the #9 and #10 results, since I failed to email them ahead of time to request the results.

(Fail me! I missed emailing them and the Nurnburg Regional this week... moving has been catching up to me)

Number 9 was Trevor Ryan

He was running the same list as last week Gatineau Regional.

Chewie + Gunner + C3P0 + V.I. + M.F.; Bandit x 4

I finished 11th with Whisper + VI + AS + ACD, Scimitar + Concussion x 3

Minor update, I got an email from the TO running the Kingston match, and they confirmed that actual attendance was 32. 38 signed up, but 32 showed. They don't have the #9 and #10 results, since I failed to email them ahead of time to request the results.

(Fail me! I missed emailing them and the Nurnburg Regional this week... moving has been catching up to me)

Number 9 was Trevor Ryan

He was running the same list as last week Gatineau Regional.

Chewie + Gunner + C3P0 + V.I. + M.F.; Bandit x 4

I finished 11th with Whisper + VI + AS + ACD, Scimitar + Concussion x 3

Great, thanks. Now we just need #10. I added yours to the list, but for stats tracking you just missed the Top Third. 3x Concussion Missiles were so close to getting counted!

Off-topic but I think Proton Torps and Concussion Missiles should both cost 3 for balance reasons.

i love this thread. its a wealth of information on squads keep it rolling M.Juggler. Love ur work.

i love this thread. its a wealth of information on squads keep it rolling M.Juggler. Love ur work.

Always looking for ways to improve and present the data, so feedback is always welcome! Next up on the horizon is graphically plotting ship usage and major squad archetypes vs time, with 4 different times (Worlds 2013, 2014 Store Championships, 2014 Regionals wave 3, 2014 Regionals wave 4).

Next weekend there will be SEVEN Regionals. It will be a nuclear bombshell of information dumped on everyone!

Great, thanks. Now we just need #10. I added yours to the list, but for stats tracking you just missed the Top Third. 3x Concussion Missiles were so close to getting counted!

Off-topic but I think Proton Torps and Concussion Missiles should both cost 3 for balance reasons.

I missed top 8 on tie breakers and I don't make it for stats...

I have messaged Benoit (#10), should have his squad soon.

As for missiles, first and last time I play them. I launched all three to a single B-Wing and did a great 3 damage with them.

i love this thread. its a wealth of information on squads keep it rolling M.Juggler. Love ur work.

Always looking for ways to improve and present the data, so feedback is always welcome! Next up on the horizon is graphically plotting ship usage and major squad archetypes vs time, with 4 different times (Worlds 2013, 2014 Store Championships, 2014 Regionals wave 3, 2014 Regionals wave 4).

Next weekend there will be SEVEN Regionals. It will be a nuclear bombshell of information dumped on everyone!

[braces for impending explosion]

• I'm expecting the Phantom, esp the two name pilots (my fav is Echo) to lead the list of top squads. Its had a big impact already and ppl r still figuring out how to upgrade it and play it optimally.
• Wave5 will give the rebels more toys to help curb the Phantoms early success, but i suspect it is here to stay for quite some time. People said assault missiles would kill the swarm and bombers would kill the Falcon - and both squads r still stronger than ever.
• The Headhunter looks like its going to help rebels pad out existing squads (2x Headhunters = 1x X-Wing or 1x B-Wing) so the arms race is on, like Donkey Kong

With the new ordnance tricks coming I suspect we'll start seeing a few more bombers and that will have a pretty big effect on the meta too... they can be both swarm and YT deterrents... and if they catch a phantom in arc they can unload damage, stress, or ion, all good things. Defender paired with them can do a lot of things:

Vessary+ HLC

Gamma

Scimitar

NB + TC

Enough room for more ordnance and pretty much guarantee's Vessary will have focus and TL and now he can crit!

or bombing version:

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v3!s!70:27,-1,73:-1:-1:;50:58,-1,-1,73,-1:-1:-1:;49:58,-1,-1,-1,24:-1:-1:;14::-1:5:

Been doing some traveling since my last post so I'll try to get caught up here:

• If there were any dice issues I was not aware of them.
• @Phildo : Thanks Bro! See you at US Nationals??
• @Grish: In all the confusion I lost your contact information so please send me a PM here so we can keep in touch.
• Touchtonedialing is correct on the other Whisper list. They were Obsidians but since my lowest PS was 4 I kept mistakenly calling them AP's in both our games.
• I'd like to echo what Darph said about the event. Everything was very well run. I played against 7 (1st round bye and the other whisper list twice) great players but more importantly they were great people. It was one of my best tournament experiences.
• I feel like I got to experience a big chunk of what could be the competitive wave 4 meta all in one tournament:
  • I played Whisper on Whisper twice losing once and winning once. The opposing list was built to be able to deal with another Whisper but not teamed with Soontir. In our fist match I felt my opponent flew his whisper masterfully in the end game. I was ahead but his superb flying allowed him to snag victory on the final shot. When teamed up again at the top eight round I tried to use what learned in our first meeting and changed my tactics. It proved successful.
  • My top 4 game vs Grish is likely one of my favorite games of all time. And it gave me my first look at the new YT + Z's build. Not only were we throwing out all our best moves at each other there was a lot of casual banter back and forth and a lot of in-game tactics / strategy / theory discussion going on. It was almost like the play test sessions against your best buddy but with a seat at the regionals final table on the line. Anyways I'm not going to go too deep into it but Norboat's brief synopsis was about right. The Imperials weren't running from anyone At 10 minutes to go I had the golden opportunity to disengage and even with a high pace of play we likely wouldn't have shot at each other again but I just couldn't do that to Grish. It was funny because as I was telling him I was going after him, he was trying to convince me to run away and take the secure win. So I tried hard to take out Han in the last 10 minutes but fell a few hull short. It almost cost me both Whisper and Soontir but when time was called they were both still standing and I got the win. Based on what I saw this game and in my previous wave 4 experience I believe that assuming both ships are properly equipped and played by a similar caliber of player that there is no clear cut favorite. 60ish points of Han is better then 40ish points of whisper and 70ish points of whisper plus soontir is better then 60ish points of Han, all as it should be. YMMV.
  • My finals game against Gerry was again superb on all levels. I believed my best chance to win was to employ some typical anti-swarm tactics with asteroid placement and deployment and then get aggressive and go after the win. I think Gerry's strategy was sound, it's just that even though he's not as unpredictable as Echo, there are just so many different places that Whisper can end up that it's hard to keep him in arc while denying targets with so many ships on the board. Gerry did have one good chance and it went down exactly like he said. His dice were hot, but so were mine and the fact that most of the time I was rolling 4 vs his 2 they only needed to be a little hot each roll rather then all at once. And in this case they were. I think I lost 1 shield after those 6 attacks. Ohh and while all the chasing down of Whisper was going on you had focused Soontir throwing 4 reds up someone's tail pipe each turn. The Z-95 swarm does appear to be viable. I think my list was a bad match up for it (its tough to kill Soontir and Whisper with 2 dice attacks) and I had the dice support I needed to survive the one big round of shooting.

Anyways I didn't mean to hijack Juggler's thread, but did want to throw in those quick comments. Thank you for all you do here Juggler.

Ohhh and long live the Buzzsaw Phantom

Anyways I didn't mean to hijack Juggler's thread, but did want to throw in those quick comments. Thank you for all you do here Juggler.

On the contrary, its great to get detailed play reports about the Regionals here! The thread is nothing without the community. I'm just the compiler. The irony is that with my schedule the way it is, I don't even know if I'll even get the chance to make it out to the Cambridge, MA Regionals, what with moving, working full time, and finishing my dissertation.

I'm glad the thread is well-received. I need to start one for Nationals as well.

Results can always be viewed on the thread's 2nd post (Tournament results) and 3rd post (stats summary), so I wouldn't worry too much about clutter. I just added spoiler tags to the 2nd post to make it much more readable. When updating the #2 and #3 posts I always post here as well, so anyone following is alerted to any changes.

Nürnberg Germany, 6 rounds of Swiss, no final cut (sadly).

I played:

Han + VI + MF + EU + Chewbacca + Gunner

3 Tala

3rd place.

Nobody has won all 6 games, I got 25 points with 4 other players.

Nürnberg Germany, 6 rounds of Swiss, no final cut (sadly).

I played:

Han + VI + MF + EU + Chewbacca + Gunner

3 Tala

3rd place.

Nobody has won all 6 games, I got 25 points with 4 other players.

That's what I'd prefer to see: no one person or list being unbeatable, even in the qualifying rounds. Sadly that makes Strengthof Schedule important and that's already really variable.

Nürnberg Germany, 6 rounds of Swiss, no final cut (sadly).

I played:

Han + VI + MF + EU + Chewbacca + Gunner

3 Tala

3rd place.

Nobody has won all 6 games, I got 25 points with 4 other players.

I love how uniform major events are. It's not like they include a chart with how many rounds to play or anything.... If a place has to close or w/e just run one less round of swiss but still do top8. And do 60 min rounds or something including the cut. Don't sign up to host a regional if you aren't prepared. I know everyone wants access to regionals, but I'm sorry, I'm completely disgusted at the terrible way at least half of the international ones seem to be run. There have been at least 3-4 of them that have done this no cut b.s. and then you have australia getting like 6 regionals that will have 12 people each or w/e. Meanwhile in the states, you have many more people that are not getting to attend one because they can't drive 6 hours that day or w/e. They could easily cut out the regionals that aren't being taken seriously , and do just 2 for australia or w/e and easily get a 3rd tournament per region in the states. I'm not just saying this cause of "MURICA" but the fact that most of the other regionals are about half the size seems to suggest that they need to consider redistributing them.

@BobbyWhiskey : I don't think there is a cap on the wolrdwide number of regionals... or that the number of regionals in other countries has any impact on the number of regionals in the US.

For MajorJuggler National results future thread:

I just won the French national tournament with 4 academies and 4 obsidians.

Wave 4 legal, faced everything from double YT to another 8 tie swarm (8 academies), with YT+ Z95, Whisper+ACD+VI and mini holwswarm in the mix.

Attendance was 71 players, with 6 swiss rounds then a top 16.

I'll do a full report soon on the blog.

Nürnberg Germany, 6 rounds of Swiss, no final cut (sadly).

I played:

Han + VI + MF + EU + Chewbacca + Gunner

3 Tala

3rd place.

Nobody has won all 6 games, I got 25 points with 4 other players.

I love how uniform major events are. It's not like they include a chart with how many rounds to play or anything.... If a place has to close or w/e just run one less round of swiss but still do top8. And do 60 min rounds or something including the cut. Don't sign up to host a regional if you aren't prepared. I know everyone wants access to regionals, but I'm sorry, I'm completely disgusted at the terrible way at least half of the international ones seem to be run. There have been at least 3-4 of them that have done this no cut b.s. and then you have australia getting like 6 regionals that will have 12 people each or w/e. Meanwhile in the states, you have many more people that are not getting to attend one because they can't drive 6 hours that day or w/e. They could easily cut out the regionals that aren't being taken seriously , and do just 2 for austral or w/e and easily get a 3rd tournament per region in the states. I'm not just saying this cause of "MURICA" but the fact that most of the other regionals are about half the size seems to suggest that they need to consider redistributing them.

Again, my main point is just frustration over the regionals being uniform. I don't think there are many players of FFG games that would disagree with that. FFG is having to learn organized play from scratch it seems over the last couple of years, in the process of transforming themselves from being "just a board game company". Still though, it's not like this hasn't been done by many companies since 1995 or w/e. With as big as some of their games are getting there should be at least one person whose sole job is overseeing the organized play structure. Again, organized play advocates are not a new concept. There are tournaments in the U.S. that don't adhere to the chart in the kit, but that seems to be less common and/or just something with store championships imbdaar alhpas etc. I don't think it's too much to ask that at least each regional tournament just have the proper number of rounds. Just doesn't seem fair to the people that went to these not to have a cut, when strength of schedule can be murdered by drops etc.

And I still think Austrailia has too many regionals though.

Top 16 lists for the French national that I have so far:

Icareane 100pts:
4 Academies
4 Obsidians

Second:
Alde 99pts:
Whisper, ACD, VI, FCS
Holwrunner
3 Black squadron

Top 4:
Jabba 100pts
Lando, expert handling, niem nub, gunner
Chewie, gunner, VI

Philippe J 100pts:
2 Rookie
Craken, concussion missile
Tala, 'assault missile
Tala, concussion missile

Top 8 :
FrereSender 100pts:
Howlrunner
Night Beast
Black - Draw their fire
Obsidian x 4

My Top 8 opponent 100pts:
Han solo, gunner , C3P0, predator, engine upgrade
3 Tala squadron

goblaid?

Top 16:

Le Mulot 100pts:
Whisper ACD, VI, rebel captive
Carnor jax
Howlrunner swarm tactics
Black squadron

TicToc 100pts
-Chewi + predator+ gunner+ C3P0 + Millenium falcon
-Corran Horn + R2D2 + FCS + VI+ shield upgrade

Sepyx:
Chewie, Gunner, falcon, C3P0 et VI
Blue, FCS
Blue FCS

deNtstAr 99pts
3 Firespray

@BobbyWhiskey : I don't think there is a cap on the wolrdwide number of regionals... or that the number of regionals in other countries has any impact on the number of regionals in the US.

For MajorJuggler National results future thread:

I just won the French national tournament with 4 academies and 4 obsidians.

Wave 4 legal, faced everything from double YT to another 8 tie swarm (8 academies), with YT+ Z95, Whisper+ACD+VI and mini holwswarm in the mix.

Attendance was 71 players, with 6 swiss rounds then a top 16.

I'll do a full report soon on the blog.

The TIE Swarm lives!!!!!!

Awesome. I'll start a Nationals thread later today.

I just watched the Danish regional (the 3v3 with high PS Rebels) and was just stunned at how basic the level of play was. So many rookie errors in deployment, targeting, flying (Luke crashed in the first combat round... forgetting to shoot with Wes... K-turning through an asteroid in a final...) just... incredibly upsetting.

It seems X-Wing isn't a game where the best pilots rise to the top, at least not in small tournaments.

Again, my main point is just frustration over the regionals being uniform. I don't think there are many players of FFG games that would disagree with that. FFG is having to learn organized play from scratch it seems over the last couple of years, in the process of transforming themselves from being "just a board game company". Still though, it's not like this hasn't been done by many companies since 1995 or w/e. With as big as some of their games are getting there should be at least one person whose sole job is overseeing the organized play structure. Again, organized play advocates are not a new concept. There are tournaments in the U.S. that don't adhere to the chart in the kit, but that seems to be less common and/or just something with store championships imbdaar alhpas etc. I don't think it's too much to ask that at least each regional tournament just have the proper number of rounds. Just doesn't seem fair to the people that went to these not to have a cut, when strength of schedule can be murdered by drops etc.

And I still think Austrailia has too many regionals though.

I just watched the Danish regional (the 3v3 with high PS Rebels) and was just stunned at how basic the level of play was. So many rookie errors in deployment, targeting, flying (Luke crashed in the first combat round... forgetting to shoot with Wes... K-turning through an asteroid in a final...) just... incredibly upsetting.

It seems X-Wing isn't a game where the best pilots rise to the top, at least not in small tournaments.

LOL, while parts of what you say/write is indisputably true (mistakes were made) I would still like to ask if you are able to see how incredibly rude you come off?? You have zero to no further knowledge than what you see in the battle report and yet you are able to deduct all kind of stuff in your mind?

It shall be no secret that it is my battle report and I was the winning player, and you may say what you feel like about my play/tactics (or lack thereof?) but oversimplifying and thereby insulting my opponent and all our oppononents during the event (of 5 Swiss Rounds and then the semi finals) and (IMO) out of line and extremely narrow minded.

As I started off saying: yes, errors were made. And I capitalized as much as possible in the navigational "errors" or misjudge mental as soon as I saw them. But I had also tried to force them and I had selected my primary target(s) a after the setup. And I'll be happy to let you know that my opponent was kicking himself as soon as he realized his Wedge/Luke error in the 2nd/3rd movement

Without further (totally unwarranted) comparisons I would like to ask you to review the 2013 Worlds final: in your words multiple bad calls, poor maneuvers and similar were made. I am 100% sure that you would have done better but only bad luck or (I hope not) sickness must have kept you from being there and winning?

I wish you all the best of luck and see a promising career in diplomacy for you, and I will be looking very much forward to see the stream of your 2014 Worlds game. It'll be flawless

Sincerely Niko

Face palm! Hilarious.