Best dice off I have ever had happened at the regional I attended. My blue with a TL against a tokened up Soontir at range 1. I rolled red, I got hit, crit, blank, eye. I use TL and rerolled the blank and eye and got a crit and a crit! My opponent rolled greens and this was the result:
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Edited by SergovanSummary statistics for wave 4. Rebels and Imperials are exactly tied for overall winners, both representing 63 players each.
Wave 4 cliff notes:
Wave 4 tournament statistics (last updated July 9)
Only includes results for tournaments where wave 4 is legal.
Attendance
Too early to tell the real impact of Wave 4. But as many predicted Phantoms and z95s are being used quite a bit.
Too early to tell the real impact of Wave 4. But as many predicted Phantoms and z95s are being used quite a bit.
I think that what we're seeing isn't the new meta, but is based on what people think the new meta will be. A couple of these tourneys are also smaller than store championships.
I have several miscellaneous updates. There is a lot of info here, so each set is enclosed in spoiler tags to keep this post readable by section heading. All of this info has been updated on the first page, but since it's updated I'm bringing attention to it here.
First, total attendance numbers:
Attendance (last updated July 11)
FFG updated their Regionals list to include one in Romania on July 20. So that brings the total number to 62. Here is the total list of Regionals. [Edit] We have 3 Regionals this weekend, one in Germany, one in Canada, and one in Chile. The Regional at Germany WILL be wave 4 legal, but the Tantive IV (i.e. C3-P0) is not available and so will not be legal.
Week 1 (8 out of 9 fully reported)
May 3, 2014. Fairview Park, SA, Australia. The Hobby Matrix
I also got some email updates on some missing squads (#6, #8, #9) all the way back from week 1, in Iserlohn, Western Germany.
I have updated the consolidated statistics for wave 3 tournaments:
Wave 3 tournament statistics through Week 10 (last updated July 11)
Only includes results for tournaments where wave 4 is not legal.
Attendance
For reference, here are the consolidated statistics for wave 4 again. Cliff notes:
Wave 4 tournament statistics (last updated July 9)
Only includes results for tournaments where wave 4 is legal.
Attendance
Lastly, here are the specific tournament summaries for the four wave 4 Regionals so far, including only the Final Cut and Top Third. Cliff notes summary:
I have some other things on my to-do list, like getting squad archetype breakdowns for wave 4. I also want to plot ship usage over time for the following data points, all using the same weighted averages:
Stay tuned....
Edited by MajorJugglerYT-1300 vs Phantom lists eh?
question is...
Is there are squad out there that beats both of these?
Edited by The_Brown_BomberMinor update, I got an email back from El Muro in Santiago Chile. Their Regional has been rescheduled to this weekend. I assume that wave 4 will be legal, since it has been available at the store since June 30, according to their facebook page.
So there will be 3 Regionals this weekend, hopefully all wave 4 legal.
Edited by MajorJuggler
So - we in Copenhagen just held the 2nd Danish regional (July 6) at the fantastic Faraos Cigarer.
Copenhagen, Denmark
July 6, 2014
Faraos Cigarer, Skindergade
Attendance: 22
Final Cut: 5 Round Swiss, Cut to Top 4
Wave 4 Not Allowed
And now for the Top 4 lists
Great, thanks. Looking forward to the full report. #5 -#7 would be good to get in particular, since I'm trying to get Top Third.
I can elaborate a bit:
#5: Swarm with
Howl Runner w/ stealth
Mauler Mithel
Dark Curse
Backstabber
2x Black sqd. w/Draw their fire
#6 (incomplete info):
Omicron w/HLC and Adv Sensors and Rebel Captive
Turr Phennir w/Vet. Inst and Stealth
Soontir Fel w/PtL and Stealth
#7 (a bit uncertain):
Jendon w/ ST-321 and Wepons Engineer
2 x Scimitars w/Assault Missiles
1 Royal TIE Guard
#8 (uncertain):
4 x Royal TIE Guard w/PtL
I/we can confirm that the 8th place DID fly 4 x Royal Guard TIE w/PtL
Thanks. If you come across clarifications for the #6 and #7 list that would be helpful. For stats tracking I went ahead and entered my bolded assumptions, but I could be wrong.
And on a wave 4 note, if anyone is at a wave 4 Regional today, feel free to tease us with updates!
Saw on their website the results for the Regional at Kingston Gaming a Nexus in Kingston , ON. Winner ran:
TIE Phantom / Whisper / Veteran Instincts + Advanced Cloaking Device + Gunner + Fire Control System
TIE Interceptor / Soontir Fel / Push the Limit
Lambda Shuttle / Captain Yorr
Kingston, gaming Nexus. Results after 6 rounds (pulled from their website)
Standings After Round 6
Rank First Last Army From Match Points SoS Points Destroyed Points Lost
1 Grish Jedi Knight Rebel Toronto 28 113 367 162
2 Gerry Russell Rebel Buffalo 25 128 447 199
3 Norm Weir Rebel Toronto 25 101 482 178
4 William Tink Imperial Toronto 23 126 399 228
5 Rick Sidebotham Imperial North Carolina 23 98 488 128
6 Edward Scanlon Rebel Toronto 20 119 361 278
7 Bron Chatwood Imperial Toronto 20 100 431 332
8 Jeffrey Dunford Imperial Gatineau 20 99 472 350
9 Trevor Ryan Rebel Gatineau 20 95 432 272
10 Benoit Philippe Girouard Rebel Montreal 20 95 500 280
11 Dany Laberge Imperial Gatineau 20 89 395 180
12 Alissa McDonough Rebel Nexus 20 81 419 380
13 Jonathan Jefferson Imperial Nexus 15 113 386 316
14 Erik Pinchette Imperial Gatineau 15 98 356 372
15 Ciaran Russell Rebel Buffalo 15 98 375 349
16 Gianni Rossi Rebel Gatineau 15 94 183 371
17 Emily Parker Rebel Toronto 15 90 406 376
18 Mike Holden Rebel Nexus 15 78 373 297
19 Max Beninger Rebel Nexus 15 67 422 331
20 Adam Golden Imperial Nexus 13 88 327 452
21 James Binnie Rebel Toronto 10 89 290 257
22 Shereef Ishak Imperial Sudbury 10 80 246 495
23 Michael Clark Rebel Nexus 10 76 369 500
24 Roger Smith Rebel Nexus 10 71 201 252
25 Cameron Carmichael Imperial Trenton 10 69 309 392
26 Jordan Racey Imperial Nexus 10 66 315 447
27 Garrett Lowe Imperial Gatineau 8 74 262 458
28 Stephen Makarucha Rebel Nexus 6 81 211 425
29 Connor Makarucha Imperial Nexus 6 64 242 389
30 Eric Morrin Imperial Nexus 5 96 220 423
31 Jason Matheson Rebel Nexus 5 73 183 429
32
Zach
Matheson Imperial Nexus 5 50 209 361
Top 4 Lists
Rick was running:
Gerry was running:
Grish was running:
Edward was running:
That's all the information I could find.
Edited by SergovanRick (DarkTemplar) won with the Whisper list. It's on their site this morning. Looks like it was him against the z95 swarm in the final.
Who would run such a crack pot list
Here's what I recall:
6 rounds of Swiss with cut to top 8 in single elimination championship bracket
Winner: Whisper with Veteran Instincts + Advanced Cloaking Device + Gunner + Fire Control System, Soontir Fel / Push the Limit, Captain Yorr
Runner Up: Airen Cracken withSwarm Tactics + Shield Upgrade, 3 x Tala Squadron Pilot, 3 x Bandit Squadron Pilot
Top 4: Han Solo with Millenium Falcon + Luke Skywalker + C-3PO + Predator + Engine Upgrade, 3 x Bandit Squadron Pilot
Top 4: 4 x Blue Squadron Pilot, Bandit Squadron Pilot
Top 8: 4 x Blue Squadron Pilot, Bandit Squadron Pilot
Top 8: (need confirmation) Howlrunner with Swarm Tactics, Mauler with Swarm Tactics, 2 x Academy Pilot, 2 x Alpha Pilot
Top 8: (need confirmation) Whisper with Intelligence Agent + Fire Control System + Advanced Cloaking Device + Veteran Instincts, Howlrunner with <3 point upgrade>, 3 x Academy Pilot
Top 8: (need lots of help) <Firespray-31 with TIE Swarm Support>
Great event all the way around.
It's important to note that this event had the Whisper vs Han showdown. And whisper actually won. But if you look at it, the only ships that died were the headhunters. This makes me wonder how long these rounds were. Were the players taking a longer time to plan more carefully etc. There might've been a large disparity between the two players in experience. Han + gunner usually wins that.
Also do you really get your money's worth out of gunner on a phantom? Could've played the intelligence agent and given yorr an engine upgrade to turn around for the same pts (granted he may have been too stressed to boost alot). Recon spec is awesome too, even on whisper since you can have focus for attack and 2 for defense for gunner falcon shots. in my experience the phantom does not whiff it's attack very often. I can understand maybe it was an insurance policy to ensure whispers ability triggered.
Did you play the 97 pt whisper that had the agent in the top 8 round? That is the EXACT build that won arizona, wondering again if it was a veteran player, or someone that just netdecked it and may have made a crucial error in flying it or something.
Last thing, how many people were at the event total? I don't think that has been posted. 6 rounds sounds like it was pretty sizeable. So far the canada events have not been impressive on this front.
Not trying to take anything away from the winner here, in fact I suspect he was likely the most skilled/experienced player there. On paper I would be surprised to see the 2 above lists BOTH lose in back to back games to the list that won (though with the title and EU I would ptl instead of predator on han). Maybe shuttle tricks really threw them for a loop.
Edited by bobbywhiskeyI played vs Darktemplar. That Whisper loadout is NUTS. Whisper, like Han, needs to hit, otherwise you are wasting a lot of points. Gunner and FCS lets you spend your action to Evade, as you are going to hit with 4/5 dice gunner and then a target locked attack. Then Whisper is camping an evade and a focus token all the while sitting on 4 defense dice before modification.
And the worst thing is, if he can keep Whisper near Yorr, that %$@&ing ship can K-turn, still evade, shoot, reshoot with FCS, hit and be camping focus and evade. Its bananas good.
This is why Engine on Yorr is a bad idea. If he's taking stress, he's losing his actions likely anyway due to collisions and extra stress tokens. You generally figure on one good pass out of him anyway, anything after that is just cake.
Edited by hothieTons of armchair generals in here full of such wisdom and insight on how matches should play out in theory.
All rounds were 75 minutes, with the event completing around 1:30 am. 38 in attendance I believe. I watched the game between Han and Whisper - Both players were exceptional and complete gentlemen; was a treat to watch the game. FCS+Gunner on Whisper is potent, as well as 4k+stress eat from Yorr. Whisper and Han never fully met, with only a few exchanges only at the last 10 minutes. Soontir and Yorr chased Han away from Whisper until she dealt with the bandits. There was an exceptional boost from Han to get range 1 shot on Whisper without cloak, which might have decided the game if not for the evade token taken by Whisper.
The day was full of falcon lists killing B-wings, B-wings killing phantoms, and phantoms killing falcons. Get over yourselves, forum denizens.
Rounding out the top 8:
Top 8: Blue x4, Bandit
Top 8: Howlrunner + ST, Mauler Mithel + ST, x2 alpha, x2 AP
Top 8: Whisper + IA+ACD+FCS+VI, Howlrunner, x3 AP
Top 8: Kath + Pred + Rebel Captive, Howl+ST, x3 AP
Edited by NorboatsTons of armchair generals in here full of such wisdom and insight on how matches should play out in theory.
All rounds were 75 minutes, with the event completing around 1:30 am. 38 in attendance I believe. I watched the game between Han and Whisper - Both players were exceptional and complete gentlemen; was a treat to watch the game. FCS+Gunner on Whisper is potent, as well as 4k+stress eat from Yorr. Whisper and Han never fully met, with only a few exchanges only at the last 10 minutes. Soontir and Yorr chased Han away from Whisper until she dealt with the bandits. There was an exceptional boost from Han to get range 1 shot on Whisper without cloak, which might have decided the game if not for the evade token taken by Whisper.
The day was full of falcon lists killing B-wings, B-wings killing phantoms, and phantoms killing falcons. Get over yourselves, forum denizens.
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In complete agreement with you on that on: Some people(s comments) come off sounding extremely rude; totally disregarding that they have very limited information on the situation, Initiative etc.
And no matter how good of a "Best Squad EVER" you are flying sometimes a player (even the most experienced) will make a single poor decision (or is forced into it) and/or is beaten by a couple of bad rolls. There are NO auto win lists, and any good list needs to be flown with attention on or insight in it's strengths in order to consistently succeeding in any tournament.
Lately I have seen some relatively new players totally fooling way more experienced player by a combination of unexpected tactical decisions and unorthodox squads rarely seen in out meta.
So yeah, anything can happen, and during any tournament it'll happen a couple of times. Granted, a good list/player will more often be able to bounce back.
The Gunner + FCS combo makes sense. It is really, really, really important for Whisper to hit. Add in Soontir shenanigans, it looks like a really fun list to fly.
Tons of armchair generals in here full of such wisdom and insight on how matches should play out in theory.
All rounds were 75 minutes, with the event completing around 1:30 am. 38 in attendance I believe. I watched the game between Han and Whisper - Both players were exceptional and complete gentlemen; was a treat to watch the game. FCS+Gunner on Whisper is potent, as well as 4k+stress eat from Yorr. Whisper and Han never fully met, with only a few exchanges only at the last 10 minutes. Soontir and Yorr chased Han away from Whisper until she dealt with the bandits. There was an exceptional boost from Han to get range 1 shot on Whisper without cloak, which might have decided the game if not for the evade token taken by Whisper.
The day was full of falcon lists killing B-wings, B-wings killing phantoms, and phantoms killing falcons. Get over yourselves, forum denizens.
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In complete agreement with you on that on: Some people(s comments) come off sounding extremely rude; totally disregarding that they have very limited information on the situation, Initiative etc.
And no matter how good of a "Best Squad EVER" you are flying sometimes a player (even the most experienced) will make a single poor decision (or is forced into it) and/or is beaten by a couple of bad rolls. There are NO auto win lists, and any good list needs to be flown with attention on or insight in it's strengths in order to consistently succeeding in any tournament.
Lately I have seen some relatively new players totally fooling way more experienced player by a combination of unexpected tactical decisions and unorthodox squads rarely seen in out meta.
So yeah, anything can happen, and during any tournament it'll happen a couple of times. Granted, a good list/player will more often be able to bounce back.
Nothing wrong with trying to piece together how the match played out or how you expect it would based on the squads. That's kind of an important part of trying to figure the meta out. And btw I placed top 8 in a 50 person regional for this game and won one (albeit smaller) for the swlcg, so I know very well that it can be grueling to play for so long and the mental drain.
The Gunner + FCS combo makes sense. It is really, really, really important for Whisper to hit. Add in Soontir shenanigans, it looks like a really fun list to fly.
Yes it is, and that's what I meant by insurance policy. I was curious how many times it ACTUALLY matter though. But if the plan is to always evade (or barrel roll) it does make a bit more sense.
Great updates everyone! If anyone has the attendance count for certain, and also the squads #9 - #12 then we could also get the Top Third.
I really need to do the squad archetype breakdown for wave 4. There were a lot if Z-95s in the final cut!
Z-95s are definetly here to stay as filler wingmen (not the literal card) and escorts. Still not sold on the all z-95 swarm though, but some people will try it. At least now it has made one showing. Now it needs to repeat a couple times. 4 bwing +1 z95 seems to be the new xxyyb/bbbaa list. I still think the best rebel swarm is etahn abaht + 5zs but time will tell.
Edited by bobbywhiskeyHonestly, it really does make sense the more I think about it. It does hurt the Threepio & Falcon combo (also the Lando crew when it comes out). Good way to strip those evade results.
Honestly, it really does make sense the more I think about it. It does hurt the Threepio & Falcon combo (also the Lando crew when it comes out). Good way to strip those evade results.
This is why the falcon + 3-4 z builds are starting to rise above the double falcon builds. If both players have a title + 3p0, but one guy has just one other attack compared to 3-4, that's huge. Both archetypes can do well against phantoms (assuming they have gunners), but since it seems there are far more people "playing it safe" with falcon builds than the crowd using the phantom, the ones that do best against each other are getting the honor of facing the phantoms. It also might fair better against random b-wing builds than double falcon does.
