I've seen a couple tourneys now with no final cut. Are final cuts supposed to be optional (from a technical/rules standpoint)? I realize tourneys have to do what they have to do for time/practicality reasons, etc.., but I'm just curious.

It's sort of disappointing when they don't happen -- at least from an analysis of the meta -- since it means that top lists with top players aren't getting as much of a chance to duke it out against each other.

The TO guide for the Regional Championships does have a breakdown of what is supposed to happen depending on the number of players attending, and specifically states they would like the events to be run that way so that things are managed in as consistent a way as possible. So I would say stores that want to be looked upon in the most favorable light by FFG would probably be smart to adhere to what they guide towards as much as possible. How much all that matters in the long run I don't know, but my core philosophy as TO was to give the players the best experience possible and to give FFG nothing but reasons to look favorably on the hosting game store.

Hi Major Juggler. I'm the Runner-up for the Singapore Regionals.

My exact list was:-

Chewie w/ Pred + Luke + C3PO + Engine + MF Title (60)

Tala Sqd Pilot x 3 (39)

Total: 99 points

Thanks! My first guess was correct then.

Ok, I've got all missing data from Bydgoszcz, Poland

1st- little mistake, Howlrunner had Hull Upgrade instead it Stealth Device

Top4- Wes+ VI, Luke+opportunist+r2d2, wedge+opportunist+ r2

Top8- Alpha Pilot +stealth, scimitar+ homing missile, scimitar+ howling missile+seismic charges, Jenson+ST-321+Weapons Engineer+Anti Pursuit Laser

Top8- 2x Rookie, Han Solo + Gunner+MF title+Recon specialist+ PTL

Sorry for that holes, I was typing all od that from memory yesterday. Thank's for your great work Major!

That all looks good, that wraps up the results for the Bydgoszcz Regional, thanks!

Hi Guys,

I practically went downhill after my first game of swiss at the Singapore Regionals, but I stayed all the way to the end.

We played 6 rounds of swiss, with a total of 35 players.

The guys will eventually post the full lists (I think), but the finals came down to two players using a Chewbacca with Z-95 Swarm.

Based on memory:

Winner:

Chewbacca with VI, Gunner, C-3PO, MF

Bandits x 4

Runner up:

Chewbacca with Engine Upgrade, Gunner, C-3PO, Predator

Tala x 3

This is only from what I remembered (it was a 1am game).

A phantom/interceptor/shuttle list made it to the Top 4, but I'll let Duraham spoil that for you. A Firespray with HLC, Howlrunner with 3 Academies also ranked in the top 4.

Consensus is that some people prepared too much for wave 4 (e.g Phantom and Defender Defence), and became very weak against pre-wave 4 builds.

Thanks. We're all certainly looking forward to getting the correct lists. The #2 there is only 96 points, so it's probably missing some upgrades. Luke + MF, or Chewie --> Lando + MF? Don't know, guess we'll find out.

Runner up had Luke Crew.

I'm fairly surprised he's the runner up - I played against it in 3rd round Swiss, and his manuevers are very solid.

I was bottom of top 8:

5 AP

Echo + VI + ACD + FCS + Rebel Captive

Another guy had:

2x Dagger + Adv Sens

Biggs

Gold + R3-A2

Thanks for the update. So it sounds like it was 6 rounds of swiss, then a cut to the Top 8. I assume you meant to say that the biggs/dagger/gold squad there was in the Top 8? Also, it would have been 2 Blues, not 2 Daggers.

3) Can anyone inquire about the Frankfurt Germany results?

Hi Major,

i got a few more results about Frankfurt Regional

Frankfurt, Germany

June 28, 2014

JK Entertainment

Attendance: 32

• Final Cut: no, 5 rounds of swiss
• Winner: 4x Royal Guard Pilot + Push the Limit
• 2nd place: Howlrunner, 5x Academies, Scmitiar + Assault Missiles
• 3rd place: Biggs; 2x Dagger Sq. Pilot + Advanced Sensors; Rookie Pilot
• 4: Howlrunner, Mauler Mithel, 5x Obsidian
• Top 8:
• Top 8:
• Top 8:
• Top 8:

I got some additional lists, but don't know exactly about the rating.

Top 16: Biggs, Tarn Mison, 2x Dagger + FCS

Top 16: Howlrunner + PtL, 6x Obsidian

Top 16: Roark Garnett + Ioncanon, 2x A-Wing Prototype Pilot, 2x X-Wing

- 8x Academies

- Carnor Jax + PTL, Kath Scarlet + ?, Omicron Shuttle + Vader

- Captain Jonas + ?, Mayor Rhymer + ?, Bounty Hunter + HLC + ?

- Biggs Darklighter, 2x Blue + Advanced Sensors, Gold + Ion Canon + R3-A2

- Dutch Vander + R2 + Flechette, Roark Garnet + Blastergeschütz, Tarn Mison + R2-D6 + Schwarmtaktik, Blue + Ionencannon

- Biggs + R5-P9, Garven Dreis, Tarn Mison, Red-Squadron

Thanks for the updates. I added all of these squads to the first page post. some quick questions:

1. I assume that wave 4 was NOT legal for this Regional?
2. I assume that the ones on the bottom are all unknown rank?

The top 16 I can't technically count towards the statistics unless I know if they are in the Top third or not, which would be #10 or higher. A full report would be nice, but thanks again for filling in what you can.

OK, so consolidated results for Week 9 so far:

• Winner: 4x Royal Guard Pilot + Push the Limit
• #2: Howlrunner; 5x Academy Pilot; Scmitiar + Assault Missiles
• #3: Biggs; 2x Dagger Sq. Pilot + Advanced Sensors; Rookie Pilot
• #4: Howlrunner, Mauler Mithel, 5x Obsidian Sq. Pilot
• #5:
• #6:
• #7:
• #8:
• Top 16: Biggs, Tarn Mison, 2x Dagger + FCS
• Top 16: Howlrunner + PtL, 6x Obsidian
• Top 16: Roark + Ion Canon Turret; 2x Prototype Pilot; 2x Rookie Pilot
• Unknown rank: 8x Academy Pilot
• Unknown rank: Carnor Jax + PTL, Kath Scarlet + ?, Omicron Shuttle + Vader
• Unknown rank: Captain Jonas + ?, Mayor Rhymer + ?, Bounty Hunter + HLC + ?
• Unknown rank: Biggs; 2x Blue Sq. Pilot + Advanced Sensors; Gold Sq. Pilot + Ion Canon + R3-A2
• Unknown rank: Dutch Vander + R2 + Flechette Torpedoe; Roark Garnet + Blaster Turret; Tarn Mison + R2-D6 + Swarm Tactics; Blue Sq. Pilot + Ion Cannon
• Unknown rank: Biggs + R5-P9; Garven Dreis; Tarn Mison; Red Sq. Pilot

Hi Major Juggler. I'm the Runner-up for the Singapore Regionals.

My exact list was:-

Chewie w/ Pred + Luke + C3PO + Engine + MF Title (60)

Tala Sqd Pilot x 3 (39)

Total: 99 points

Thanks! My first guess was correct then.

Ok, I've got all missing data from Bydgoszcz, Poland

1st- little mistake, Howlrunner had Hull Upgrade instead it Stealth Device

Top4- Wes+ VI, Luke+opportunist+r2d2, wedge+opportunist+ r2

Top8- Alpha Pilot +stealth, scimitar+ homing missile, scimitar+ howling missile+seismic charges, Jenson+ST-321+Weapons Engineer+Anti Pursuit Laser

Top8- 2x Rookie, Han Solo + Gunner+MF title+Recon specialist+ PTL

Sorry for that holes, I was typing all od that from memory yesterday. Thank's for your great work Major!

That all looks good, that wraps up the results for the Bydgoszcz Regional, thanks!

Hi Guys,

I practically went downhill after my first game of swiss at the Singapore Regionals, but I stayed all the way to the end.

We played 6 rounds of swiss, with a total of 35 players.

The guys will eventually post the full lists (I think), but the finals came down to two players using a Chewbacca with Z-95 Swarm.

Based on memory:

Winner:

Chewbacca with VI, Gunner, C-3PO, MF

Bandits x 4

Runner up:

Chewbacca with Engine Upgrade, Gunner, C-3PO, Predator

Tala x 3

This is only from what I remembered (it was a 1am game).

A phantom/interceptor/shuttle list made it to the Top 4, but I'll let Duraham spoil that for you. A Firespray with HLC, Howlrunner with 3 Academies also ranked in the top 4.

Consensus is that some people prepared too much for wave 4 (e.g Phantom and Defender Defence), and became very weak against pre-wave 4 builds.

Thanks. We're all certainly looking forward to getting the correct lists. The #2 there is only 96 points, so it's probably missing some upgrades. Luke + MF, or Chewie --> Lando + MF? Don't know, guess we'll find out.

Runner up had Luke Crew.

I'm fairly surprised he's the runner up - I played against it in 3rd round Swiss, and his manuevers are very solid.

I was bottom of top 8:

5 AP

Echo + VI + ACD + FCS + Rebel Captive

Another guy had:

2x Dagger + Adv Sens

Biggs

Gold + R3-A2

Thanks for the update. So it sounds like it was 6 rounds of swiss, then a cut to the Top 8. I assume you meant to say that the biggs/dagger/gold squad there was in the Top 8? Also, it would have been 2 Blues, not 2 Daggers.

It was 2 Daggers w/ Adv Sensors for sure. I played against that list twice. The Gold had no ICT therefore he could fit those Daggers in the list.

Edit: I double checked the points and it comes up to 99 points for the Daggers, Biggs and Gold list so its within legal limits.

It was 2 Daggers w/ Adv Sensors for sure. I played against that list twice. The Gold had no ICT therefore he could fit those Daggers in the list.

Edit: I double checked the points and it comes up to 99 points for the Daggers, Biggs and Gold list so its within legal limits.

Thanks, updated. My eyeballs were assuming Ion Cannon Turret must have been in there.

Edit: I had also been meaning to ask: the winning squad at Arizona shows as 97 points. Is that correct? Mega initiative bid to keep Whisper shooting first, apparently.

It was 2 Daggers w/ Adv Sensors for sure. I played against that list twice. The Gold had no ICT therefore he could fit those Daggers in the list.

Edit: I double checked the points and it comes up to 99 points for the Daggers, Biggs and Gold list so its within legal limits.

Thanks, updated. My eyeballs were assuming Ion Cannon Turret must have been in there.

Edit: I had also been meaning to ask: the winning squad at Arizona shows as 97 points. Is that correct? Mega initiative bid to keep Whisper shooting first, apparently.

Mesa, AZ, United States

June 28th, 2014

Empire Games

Attendance: 50

wave 4 legal

Final Cut: Top 8

Info: https://www.facebook.com/empiregamesaz

• Winner: Whisper + Veteran Instincts + Advanced Cloaking Device + Fire Control System + Intelligence Agent; Howlrunner + Hull Upgrade; 3x Academy Pilot

Yep, 97 point initiative bid

Thanks for the updates. I added all of these squads to the first page post. some quick questions:

1. I assume that wave 4 was NOT legal for this Regional?
2. I assume that the ones on the bottom are all unknown rank?

The top 16 I can't technically count towards the statistics unless I know if they are in the Top third or not, which would be #10 or higher. A full report would be nice, but thanks again for filling in what you can.

OK, so consolidated results for Week 9 so far:

Frankfurt, Germany

June 28, 2014

JK Entertainment

Attendance: 32

Final Cut: 5 rounds of swiss, no Final cut

Wave 4 not legal (?)

• Winner: 4x Royal Guard Pilot + Push the Limit
• #2: Howlrunner; 5x Academy Pilot; Scmitiar + Assault Missiles
• #3: Biggs; 2x Dagger Sq. Pilot + Advanced Sensors; Rookie Pilot
• #4: Howlrunner, Mauler Mithel, 5x Obsidian Sq. Pilot
• #5:
• #6:
• #7:
• #8:
• Top 16: Biggs, Tarn Mison, 2x Dagger + FCS
• Top 16: Howlrunner + PtL, 6x Obsidian
• Top 16: Roark + Ion Canon Turret; 2x Prototype Pilot; 2x Rookie Pilot
• Unknown rank: 8x Academy Pilot
• Unknown rank: Carnor Jax + PTL, Kath Scarlet + ?, Omicron Shuttle + Vader
• Unknown rank: Captain Jonas + ?, Mayor Rhymer + ?, Bounty Hunter + HLC + ?
• Unknown rank: Biggs; 2x Blue Sq. Pilot + Advanced Sensors; Gold Sq. Pilot + Ion Canon + R3-A2
• Unknown rank: Dutch Vander + R2 + Flechette Torpedoe; Roark Garnet + Blaster Turret; Tarn Mison + R2-D6 + Swarm Tactics; Blue Sq. Pilot + Ion Cannon
• Unknown rank: Biggs + R5-P9; Garven Dreis; Tarn Mison; Red Sq. Pilot

Hi again,

yes, wave 4 wasn't legal, but will be for the next regional (and last one in germany) in Nürnberg.

And yes, i didn't have a rank for the lists at the bottom. But now, I got a update with the Top 8:

• Winner: 4x Royal Guard Pilot + Push the Limit
• #2: Howlrunner; 5x Academy Pilot; Scmitiar + Assault Missiles
• #3: Biggs; 2x Dagger Sq. Pilot + Advanced Sensors; Rookie Pilot
• #4: Howlrunner, Mauler Mithel, 5x Obsidian Sq. Pilot
• #5: 3x Bounty Hunter
• #6: Howlrunner + PtL, 6x Obsidian
• #7: Roark + Ion Canon Turret; 2x Prototype Pilot; 2x Rookie Pilot
• #8: 4x Academies, 1x Obisidian, 1x Black-Squadron + Draw their Fire, Howlrunner + Swarmtactics + Hull Upgrade

9. Soontir, Howli, 4x Academies

10. Wedge, 2x Blue + HLC

11. Turr Phennir + VI + 6 Academies

12. Roark + Luke + 2 Rookies

13. ORS, 2x Blaustaffel HLC

14. Biggs, Tarn, 2x Dagger + FCS

15. 3x Firespray

16. Luke + Swarm, Roark + Ioncannon Turret, 2 Blue 1x FCS

17. 8x Akademiker

18. Gold, Biggs, 2 Blue + AS

19. Dutch, Roark, Tarn, Blue + Ioncannon

20. 2 Bountyhunter+seismic+Recon, Omikron+Vader

21. Wes, Biggs, 2 Red Squadron

21. Biggs, Rookie, 2x Dagger + AS

23. Howlrunner, 2x Royal Guard, 3 Academies

24. Garven, Biggs, Tarn, Red

25. Han, Rookie, Blue

26. Kath, Omikron+Vader, Carnor Jax

27. Soontir, Carnor, Tetran, Mauler

28. Bountyhunter+HLC+Recon, Jonus+Concussion., Rhymer+Cluster

29. 2x Dagger + HLC, Wedge+?

30. Jonus+Assault., Omicron+HLC, Omicron+Vader

31. 5 Academies, Howli+Swarm, Scimitar+Cluster

32. Wedge+Swarm, Biggs, 2x Blues

The missing T8 lists in Singapore are:

#4: Whisper + vet instincts + rebel captive + ACD, Canor Jax + PTL + RGT + Shield + Hull, OMG shuttle + Vader

#4: Krasis + HLC + Recon Spec, Howlrunner, 3x AP

#8: Krasis + HLC + Recon Spec, Howlrunner, 3x AP

Hi again,

yes, wave 4 wasn't legal, but will be for the next regional (and last one in germany) in Nürnberg.

And yes, i didn't have a rank for the lists at the bottom. But now, I got a update with the Top 8:

Frankfurt, Germany

June 28, 2014

JK Entertainment

Attendance: 32

Final Cut: 5 rounds of swiss, no Final cut

Wave 4 not legal

9. Soontir, Howli, 4x Academies

10. Wedge, 2x Blue + HLC

Thanks! Since I'm counting #9 and #10 for statistics, is it possible to track down the details for these two squads?

The missing T8 lists in Singapore are:

#4: Whisper + vet instincts + rebel captive + ACD, Canor Jax + PTL + RGT + Shield + Hull, OMG shuttle + Vader

#4: Krasis + HLC + Recon Spec, Howlrunner, 3x AP

#8: Krasis + HLC + Recon Spec, Howlrunner, 3x AP

Awesome, thanks. So 2 people brought the same exact squad and finished in Top 4 and Top 8! Weird! Did they happen to play each other during the first elimination round?

If you could track down the squads that made #9, #10, #11 then I would take those too, for statistics tracking, since they were in the Top Third.

And because we're all greedy to know anything we can about wave 4 Regionals.

Interesting to note in the Singapore Regionals: Chewie + Gunner > Whisper

Stats updates coming soon for wave 4....

Yes, the clones matched off against each other.

Malaysian Regionals are the 19th at Spartan Games Arena.

When is the Regionals ending?

13th week, July 26. The full listing is at the end of the 2nd post.

Last minute info, we will have one more regional event in Poland. It turns out, that one more city have Regional kit, but for sone reason there were missed on official FFG list. It will be hosted in Toruń, Poland at 26th of July in a place called "Grajfer". Wave

4 definitely legal, no Facebook site yet, but I'm in contact with a TO, nad hopefully I'll have an opportunity to attend so I'll post the reaults after the event.

Last minute info, we will have one more regional event in Poland. It turns out, that one more city have Regional kit, but for sone reason there were missed on official FFG list. It will be hosted in Toruń, Poland at 26th of July in a place called "Grajfer". Wave

4 definitely legal, no Facebook site yet, but I'm in contact with a TO, nad hopefully I'll have an opportunity to attend so I'll post the reaults after the event.

Awesome, thanks for the info. That puts the total count at 61 tournaments, with 17 remaining:

Ready your wave 4 ships!

I'll be posting a Bat Rep for sure on events that occur at FDB on Sarturday In Gatineau. Wave 4 builds will be in full use.

Would you say Wave 4 is armed and operational? That's what I'd say...

The missing T8 lists in Singapore are:

#4: Whisper + vet instincts + rebel captive + ACD, Canor Jax + PTL + RGT + Shield + Hull, OMG shuttle + Vader

#4: Krasis + HLC + Recon Spec, Howlrunner, 3x AP

#8: Krasis + HLC + Recon Spec, Howlrunner, 3x AP

Carnor had hull / stealth, 99pts for initiative bid

The missing T8 lists in Singapore are:

#4: Whisper + vet instincts + rebel captive + ACD, Canor Jax + PTL + RGT + Shield + Hull, OMG shuttle + Vader

#4: Krasis + HLC + Recon Spec, Howlrunner, 3x AP

#8: Krasis + HLC + Recon Spec, Howlrunner, 3x AP

Awesome, thanks. So 2 people brought the same exact squad and finished in Top 4 and Top 8! Weird! Did they happen to play each other during the first elimination round?

If you could track down the squads that made #9, #10, #11 then I would take those too, for statistics tracking, since they were in the Top Third.

And because we're all greedy to know anything we can about wave 4 Regionals.

Interesting to note in the Singapore Regionals: Chewie + Gunner > Whisper

Stats updates coming soon for wave 4....

Correct, both lists were 1st seed and last seed respectively after the 6 swiss rounds and faced off each other in the quarterfinals.

#9: Whisper + VI + ACD + FCS, 5x AP

#10: Echo + VI + Recon Spec + ACD, OMG + 2x Tactician, Bounty Hunter + Tactician + Seismic

#11: Kath Scarlet + PTL + Recon Spec + Engines, 4x Obsidian Squad

For your viewing pleasure...

Attendance (last updated July 4)

Wave 4 tournament statistics (last updated July 4)

Only includes results for tournaments where wave 4 is legal.

Attendance

1. YT-1300 (named) 40.87%
2. TIE Fighter 16.86%
3. Z-95 16.40%
4. B-wing 15.72%
5. Firespray 3.12%
6. X-wing 3.02%
7. Lambda Shuttle 1.71%
8. TIE Interceptor 1.08%
9. E-wing 0.73%
10. Y-wing 0.50%
11. TIE Bomber 0.00%
12. YT-1300 (ORS) 0.00%
13. A-wing 0.00%
14. HWK-290 0.00%
15. TIE Advanced 0.00%
16. TIE Defender 0.00%
17. TIE Phantom 0.00%

1. Chewbacca 18.53%
2. Whisper 10.17%
3. Lando Calrissian 7.79%
4. Howlrunner 5.23%
5. Biggs Darklighter 4.57%
6. Han Solo 2.59%
7. Krassis Trelix 2.45%
8. Echo 1.75%
9. Luke Skywalker 1.31%
10. Carnor Jax 1.25%
11. Soontir Fel 0.84%
12. Tarn Mison 0.64%
13. Kath Scarlet 0.62%
14. Roark Garnet 0.43%
15. Backstabber 0.00%
16. Mauler Mithel 0.00%
17. Dark Curse 0.00%
18. Winged Gundark 0.00%
19. Night Beast 0.00%
20. Darth Vader 0.00%
21. Maarek Steele 0.00%
22. Turr Phennir 0.00%
23. Tetran Cowell 0.00%
24. Kir Kanos 0.00%
25. Lieutenant Lorrir 0.00%
26. "Fel's Wrath" 0.00%
27. Boba Fett 0.00%
28. Major Rhymer 0.00%
29. Captain Jonus 0.00%
30. Captain Kagi 0.00%
31. Colonel Jendon 0.00%
32. Captain Yorr 0.00%
33. Rexler Brath 0.00%
34. Colonel Vessery 0.00%
35. Wedge Antilles 0.00%
36. Wes Janson 0.00%
37. Jek Porkins 0.00%
38. Garven Dreis 0.00%
39. "Hobbie" Klivian 0.00%
40. Horton Salm 0.00%
41. "Dutch" Vander 0.00%
42. Tycho Celchu 0.00%
43. Arvel Crynyd 0.00%
44. Ten Numb 0.00%
45. Ibitsam 0.00%
46. Jan Ors 0.00%
47. Kyle Katarn 0.00%
48. Airen Cracken 0.00%
49. Lieutenant Blount 0.00%
50. Corran Horn 0.00%
51. Etahn A'baht 0.00%

Hmm interesting Whisper over Echo, and Predator seems to have made an immediate impact under the EPT categoryand with Phantoms VI seems to have taken a slight jump as well giving us roughly 4 major EPTs, PTL, EH, VI and Pred

It's not that surprising. Whisper is better able to combat Chewie, who seems to be the Falcon people lean toward.

It's also just two tourneys so far, so not sure how much can be gleaned just yet.

But it's not just that Whisper can counter Chewie (so can Echo, at least as far as it matters). Whisper can better match up or best more pilots in PS, which is a big deal for the phantom.

How does Whisper counter Chewie?

How does Whisper counter Chewie?

There's been a lot of discussion that because the Phantom has higher mobility than the falcon and they mathermatically take eachother out at the same time that the Phantom counters the falcon. This completely ignores the fact the Phantom has to have a shot to recloak, something the falcon is particularly good at avoiding while still having a shot thanks to the 360 degree firing arc and the fact the Phantom practically cannot K-Turn against a falcon.

The Phantom forces good flying from the Falcon in a way no other individual ship has.

How does Whisper counter Chewie?

The original phrase was "better able to combat" Chewie and it was based off someone reasoning why Whisper was seeing more play than a Echo. That was the context for my response. However, I think it was MJ pointed out that Phantoms, mathematically of course, really aren't as bad as people think facing off against a YT, iirc, of lower PS. That allows them to shoot and recloak before taking return fire, assuming, as Aminar points out, they have a shot.

How does Whisper counter Chewie?

Supposedly because anything with higher agility than someone has attack dice can counter them.

There's been a lot of discussion that because the Phantom has higher mobility than the falcon and they mathermatically take eachother out at the same time that the Phantom counters the falcon. This completely ignores the fact the Phantom has to have a shot to recloak, something the falcon is particularly good at avoiding while still having a shot thanks to the 360 degree firing arc and the fact the Phantom practically cannot K-Turn against a falcon.

The Phantom forces good flying from the Falcon in a way no other individual ship has.

You can shoot every single turn with a phantom against a falcon with lower PS. Play the whisper by yourself if you need to try it out. You have to screw out big time for that to happen (1arrow 90º are key for this).

Whisper over echo is because of better PS, the straight line barrel roll being better most of the time fhe kind of dance you want to do with the phantom, and more importantly, and after shooting you get a concentration token, so you can spend yours freely for increased damage if something can shoot you back (ie, falcon).

Whisper with fire control system, and advanced cloaking device is a power house when it comes to free actions. Recon crew would make him even better, but too many points in my opinion.