You pitiful fool! My life is not for any Earthling to give or take!

Pathetic earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void, without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe, anything at all, you would've hidden from it in terror!

Can we just agree that the prequels all sucked.

I actually enjoyed them. Yes, even Phantom Menace.

By any degree of measurement, the prequels are really bad films.

No, really bad films are flicks like Meet the Spartans or Vampires Suck. Movies like Superbabies: Baby Geniuses 2 or Birdemic. Movies like that French one I saw for film class that consisted of two people, a young man and an older woman (son and mother) sitting in one room for 2.5 hours, occasional snippets of pointless dialog - and then the son flips out and kills his mother. Roll credits. THAT is a bad film.

Star Wars 1-3 are simply big budget action movies that sacrifice character for keen special effects - like every other single Big Budget Summer Movie to come out of Hollywood these days - like Godzilla '98, like The Fast and the Furious, like After Earth, like Man of Steel, like Matrix 2 and 3, like World War Z, like Resident Evil 4, like Prometheus, like Transformers, like - well, you get the idea. . . .

The problem here, is that Star Wars has thousands and thousands of fans that are impossible to please. If these movies had been "Magic Monks Save the Galaxy", they would have made a couple of bucks, people would have gone "Eh, that wasnt so bad" and been quickly forgotten about. But no, with the sky-high expectations, even if Lucas had been handing out autographed gold bricks at each screening, people would still be bitching.

But no, with the sky-high expectations, even if Lucas had been handing out autographed gold bricks at each screening, people would still be bitching.

"Stupid gold bricks. Too **** heavy. Shoulda just deposited the money into my bank account."

No big pimpin' Billy D Williams

Desslok, I applaud you. I was pretty much set to type out a similar response.

Look, people, those of us who saw the original trilogy as it came out have a special place in our hearts for it. However, those movies are as poorly acted and poorly written as the prequel trilogy, and their saving grace was impressive direction and simply how far ahead of their time they stood. (There are still major studios who can't put out space movies with as clean combat and flight scenes, for Pete's sake!) Sure, the direction Lucas took the prequels was not one most of us would have liked to see, but they did at least a decent job laying down the groundwork for the excellent series The Clone Wars turned out to be, and for the original trilogy and beyond.

Arguing that they are objectively bad movies seems a bit silly - at least agree that your measure of how bad they are is subjective. Objectively bad movies have names like The Last Airbender , Manos - The Hands of Fate , Battlefield Earth , and Deathbed: The Bed That Eats .

Admittedly, I hated the name of Episode II: Attack of the Clones, and really wish they had found a way to follow through with the naming structure of the original trilogy.

• Episodes I and IV: [Article] [Adjective] [Noun] - The Phantom Menace and A New Hope .
• Episodes III and VI: [Verb] [Preposition] [Article] [Noun] - Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi .
• Episode II should have followed Episode V: [Article] [Noun] [Verb] [Adverb] - The Empire Strikes Back , instead of following the naming structure of Episodes III and VI. But I might be a bit OCPD there.

So whose love interest does Daisy Ridley get to be?

Seeing how she is seated between Han and Lea at the reading I think she will be a bit more than that...

So whose love interest does Daisy Ridley get to be?

She could be the main hero...

I'm aiming too high, aren't I?

Wait . . . Max von Sydow?!?

AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!! THIS MOVIE IS ALREADY F***ING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

Hahahaha. He better be bad....

You'd better mean evil. I don't think he's ever been bad. (Well, maybe in Skyrim.)

All this frantic buzz going around the interwebs right now, and here it is as well. But I gotta be honest <shrug> I really don't care. Is that weird?

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

I for myself am very happy with the names i read and recognised. It gives me a very dangerous thing ... A New Hope.

I enjoyed the PT... I prefer the OT... but I enjoyed, and STILL Enjoy the Prequels.

Yes, there are things that annoy me, and feel kiddy (especially in Phantom), and Yes, I think Christensen could have been a better actor...

But I still enjoy them, I still saw them all multiple times at the cinema, and I still watch them at home.

So, no I cant agree they were bad movies.

I will agree with Desslok, that the expectations were so high simply because it was Star Wars, that it was always going to disappoint some people.

(For the record, there were a few things that annoyed me in the OT too... but I wont go there)

I fully expect to enjoy the new movies, I also expect to hear loads of complaints and criticism about them as well.

Can we just agree that the prequels all sucked. There might have been a fight scene or two that was cool and it looked really slick, but overall they sucked. Hayden was the worst but he also had the worst lines.

I think there are probably three actors on the planet capable of pulling off a line like: "I trust that the kiss that we shared will not become a scar upon our hearts". And of those actors, Jodie Foster is the wrong sex to play Darth Vader.

Hayden Christensen might be an awful actor, he might be pretty good. But through the Lens of Lucas, we cannot tell. It takes Liam Neeson or Christopher Lee to punch a whole through Lucas' phobia of nuance.

The script was pretty crap for the prequels, the acting wasn't great - but poor directing is to blame more so than the actors' abilities (Hayden has shown that he can act in Shattered Glass - I was kind of impressed at least). The actual story of the prequel trilogy is pretty cool I think, although the execution and storytelling of Lucas is substandard (same with his writing) - but this has already been established. Luckily there's a lot more to watch in the background and around the actors. I like the films, I can ignore some jarring lines and scenes - the action is good, it's colourful and dazzling, and ILM attempts to live up to the genius they did in the 80s, and while the RotS space battle pales in comparison to RotJ, they do some great work, going through Coruscant scenes frame by frame is quite fun It's good fun and for kids, as it's meant to be. Whether they "suck" or not depends on perspective and taste.

I belong in the category that sees anything star wars as material and a resource for me to create my own games and stories, in that case the prequel trilogy consists of great films! Although I won't compare those films to Heat, Usual Suspects, Metropolis, Dr. Mabuse, Citizen Kane or 2001: a space odyssey, but that would be unfair anyway as there is no objective and universal measuring stick with which all films can be measured.

So whose love interest does Daisy Ridley get to be?

She could be the main hero...

I'm aiming too high, aren't I?

Sadly, yes.

Did you all notice there is another row of people in front? All with scripts in hand as well so perhaps these are the more supporting roles?

The script was pretty crap for the prequels, the acting wasn't great - but poor directing is to blame more so than the actors' abilities (Hayden has shown that he can act in Shattered Glass - I was kind of impressed at least). The actual story of the prequel trilogy is pretty cool I think, although the execution and storytelling of Lucas is substandard (same with his writing) - but this has already been established. Luckily there's a lot more to watch in the background and around the actors. I like the films, I can ignore some jarring lines and scenes - the action is good, it's colourful and dazzling, and ILM attempts to live up to the genius they did in the 80s, and while the RotS space battle pales in comparison to RotJ, they do some great work, going through Coruscant scenes frame by frame is quite fun It's good fun and for kids, as it's meant to be. Whether they "suck" or not depends on perspective and taste.

I belong in the category that sees anything star wars as material and a resource for me to create my own games and stories, in that case the prequel trilogy consists of great films! Although I won't compare those films to Heat, Usual Suspects, Metropolis, Dr. Mabuse, Citizen Kane or 2001: a space odyssey, but that would be unfair anyway as there is no objective and universal measuring stick with which all films can be measured.

Hey, look guys, I made you this:

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/105128-official-prequel-quality-debate-thread/

You're welcome.

Now back to discussing the actual topic of this thread...

Word is, there is another female role to be cast, and it's not a minor one. I'm relieved by that, because I always felt like women were way under-served in the original movies and the prequels. What I would really like to see is Daisy Ridley playing the "new Han Solo" of this trilogy, maybe as the daughter of the original, kicking around the galaxy in her dad's old ship with Chewie at her side. Why not?

Maybe the other female role is a villain, then? That would be kind of cool.

Oscar Winner Lupita Nyong’o is also in the cast. She will be playing a character called ‘Asajj Ventress’. Nyong’o was not officially announced in yesterdays report but was one of the first names to have signed up after Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford.

Hmmmm.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I can see Von Sydow being only a voice, but Lupita playing Ventress? That feels like wish-listing to me.

By the way, fair warning to anyone who clicks on that link... it's potentially spoilerrific, assuming you believe the rumors.

Eeeeh... I don't believe much of that, perhaps the part about Sydow, but much of the other stuff seems weird. Particularly that part about Ventress.

Oh well. We'll see soon enough.

If Oscar Issac isn't playing Dewin Llavis, a struggling kloo horn musician who wanders the cold streets of Coruscant carrying a Kowakian spider monkey in his arms, I'll be disappointed.

Eeeeh... I don't believe much of that, perhaps the part about Sydow, but much of the other stuff seems weird. Particularly that part about Ventress.

Oh well. We'll see soon enough.

Eventhough I agree it is very much rumours and not much else, I don't think it is that far fetched. Plus Nyong'o (unpronouncable) name has come up quit a few times before in regards to SW.

Oh, the actress being cast isn't something I'm sceptical about, but her playing Ventress is.

I notice the one story said May 4th for the big announcement on title and story synopsis. That'll be fun. They've done a pretty tremendous job developing the Marvel hero thing, if Disney can do this correctly it will be the decade of Star Wars.

Oh, the actress being cast isn't something I'm sceptical about, but her playing Ventress is.

Agree, but I do hope. I really like her character arc in TCW, and was hoping she'd get fleshed out somewhere, sometime. Of course, it seems unlikely given that she'd be a very old woman in the E7 timeframe.

Oh, the actress being cast isn't something I'm sceptical about, but her playing Ventress is.

Not that I disagree, but what are your reasons? (Just wondering. I haven't quite finished Season VI of The Clone Wars , so I don't know if anything as happened to Ventress that would prevent her from being in the movies. I mean, other than it being 30 to 50 years later.)

Oh, the actress being cast isn't something I'm sceptical about, but her playing Ventress is.

Agree, but I do hope. I really like her character arc in TCW, and was hoping she'd get fleshed out somewhere, sometime. Of course, it seems unlikely given that she'd be a very old woman in the E7 timeframe.

How long do Dathomir Witches live?