What I don't get is why Obi Wan would say: "that boy was our last hope"

Yoda said: "no, there is another"

You'd think since he took Padme from Mustafar to Polis Massa and witnessed the birth of the twins and then agreed to separate them that he would have known "there is another". Something he seems to know all about in Return of the Jedi. When I saw the originals, a long long time ago, I always assumed that Yoda had told him on Degobah after the "no, there is another" and that's how Obi Wan found out. With the prequels it made him look...absent minded.

Or sexist...

What I don't get is why Obi Wan would say: "that boy was our last hope"

Yoda said: "no, there is another"

You'd think since he took Padme from Mustafar to Polis Massa and witnessed the birth of the twins and then agreed to separate them that he would have known "there is another". Something he seems to know all about in Return of the Jedi. When I saw the originals, a long long time ago, I always assumed that Yoda had told him on Degobah after the "no, there is another" and that's how Obi Wan found out. With the prequels it made him look...absent minded.

Or sexist...

Good gawd.

Why did Obi-Wan not remember this? Because Lucas never watched his own films and could have cared less about continuity.

It's not sexism, or racism or any ism. It's a silly series of movies whose writer had no regard for his own legacy. No conspiracy here.

Good gawd.

Why did Obi-Wan not remember this? Because Lucas never watched his own films and could have cared less about continuity.

It's not sexism, or racism or any ism. It's a silly series of movies whose writer had no regard for his own legacy. No conspiracy here.

Oh don't worry, nobody's claiming that Lucas is sexist because of this (there are other reasons, like that deleted scene in Episode II where Anakin talks to Padme's dad out in the yard while the wimminfolk clean up in the kitchen ), but it's one of those things where people like to try to thread things together anyway.

Like that whole bunk about Anakin actually bringing balance to the force. The Prophecy was just Lucas using Destiny as Plot Device again in a way less subtle way and it was awful, and neither Anakin nor Luke brought balance to it at the end.

Since the FFG people have said that a character can go from a force sensitive in EotE to a full Jedi in the F&D, I'm going to guess that the last rulebook will be set after the battle of Endor. You can't really have Jedi running around without a worthy enemy, and the only two canon Imperial dark side force users in the first two rulebooks are already spoken for. Some people are playing the 'what if' universes where there is no Luke or Yoda, but many of us still want to play our campaigns under the assumptions that everything in the movies happened as we saw them (before the re-release where Han shoots second and Luke screams like a girl when he falls away from Vader).

If the game keeps the same players then a force sensitive character can go from hiding from Darth Vader as a scoundrel to helping defeat the Empire as a rebel and then go on to be one of the first members of the New Jedi Order.

I figure that the Emperor and Vader were crushing the Jedi Order and not trying to wipe out all force sensitives. That means that there should be many potential Jedi (or Sith) around after Order 66.

I think that Luke was just the 'only hope' as far as bringing back the Jedi.

And also we never see Obi-Wan respond to Yoda there. Perhaps if we had, he might've said, "Well, sure there's his sister, but she's not really Jedi material, is she?"

There is no way F&D will be post RotJ. This book comes out likely before the next movie and there isn't going to be anyone green lit to scribble an official note on that time frame prior to the movie release. Of that I am confident.

There is no way F&D will be post RotJ. This book comes out likely before the next movie and there isn't going to be anyone green lit to scribble an official note on that time frame prior to the movie release. Of that I am confident.

Agreed. They seem to be living firmly in the aftermath of the Battle of Yavin thus far, and there is plenty of Star Wars to cover and explore (a veritable galaxy's worth) in that singular period without advancing the setting's timeline by years.

Which raises a more interesting question on Force Sensitives than post RotJ. Post RotJ is easy, rebuild the Republic, the Jedi, etc blah blah blah. If all these books are kicking off just post Battle of Yavin, what would Force Sensitives have been doing in that time frame? Obi Wan felt Alderaan, so I'm sure former Jedi and Padawan and advanced Force Sensitives did as well, maybe that was their call to rally the banners as it were.

What I don't get is why Obi Wan would say: "that boy was our last hope"

Yoda said: "no, there is another"

You'd think since he took Padme from Mustafar to Polis Massa and witnessed the birth of the twins and then agreed to separate them that he would have known "there is another". Something he seems to know all about in Return of the Jedi. When I saw the originals, a long long time ago, I always assumed that Yoda had told him on Degobah after the "no, there is another" and that's how Obi Wan found out. With the prequels it made him look...absent minded.

Or sexist...

Good gawd.

I thought my sarcasm was obvious...

I thought my sarcasm was obvious...

I thought you were being funny. In a perverse way I like the idea though.

I thought my sarcasm was obvious...

It wasn't...

...I thought you were joking.

And also we never see Obi-Wan respond to Yoda there. Perhaps if we had, he might've said, "Well, sure there's his sister, but she's not really Jedi material, is she?"

Perhaps.

It is possible that at the time the Force was not strong with her. Not because she's a woman but because it just wasn't. Think about it, Darth Vader was face-to-face with her and in a small cell with her and not once did he sense her Force potential. He didn't even know she was his daughter until Luke mucked things up in Return of the Jedi and gave her existence away.

I thought my sarcasm was obvious...

It wasn't...

...I thought you were joking.

Perhaps "joking" would be a better description of what I was going for...

But the fact that your Jedi slipped through the cracks or is in hiding doesn't mean that there are many others though...

True, but there's only so many times you can play or encounter the "last Jedi" before it begins to feel like one of those Scream movies where the villain keeps coming back to life. "Oh, look. another last of their kind".

But I personally think FaD should be set just after the end of RotJ. PCs will normally be starting as beginning characters. That's not a "been hiding from the Empire as a surviving Jedi for 20 years" thing. That's a "I've just become aware of the Jedi now that one has killed the emperor and maybe I want to learn the ways of the Jedi too", thing. Lots of scope for starting Jedi just after the end of RotJ. I hope they go there. EotE is just after the end of IV. Not sure about AoR if it's just after V. But just after VI works great for FaD, imo.

Realistically, I think yer right.

On the other hand Old Ben and Yoda (and that one guy on the Death Star) made it sound like the Jedi had been exterminated.

Keep in mind that the Jedi weren't randomly scattered across the Galaxy and hidden. The bulk of them were at a massive temple on a single planet (where the Emperor lived) and there were extensive records of who the Jedi were and for the most part, what missions they were on if they weren't at the temple. The number of Jedi was never large to begin with. Furthermore, without the ability to readily train new Jedi, many would have simply died off during the span from Order #66, through the rest of the Clone Wars and then through the long period after that to the start of IV (how old is Luke? He looks at least twenty) and then through the events of the movies. If Jedi numbers aren't renewing, that means they're declining. So add a couple of decades at least to any old Jedi who were away from Coruscant at the time and on worlds so lawless / remote that records of their presence were not easily obtainable.

You can be pretty sure that as head of the Republic and with the assistance of the Clones, Palpatine would have had agents following Jedi long before he gave the word to actually wipe them out. The Jedi were an active part of the war so certainly parts f the Republic forces and intelligence agencies would have known about where even most of the undercover Jedi were at the time. And if you're on a remote retreat on Faroffia, the temple probably knows that, and thus Palpatine shortly knows that.

Furthermore, without the ability to readily train new Jedi, many would have simply died off during the span from Order #66, through the rest of the Clone Wars and then through the long period after that to the start of IV (how old is Luke? He looks at least twenty) and then through the events of the movies.

Luke was supposed to be 19 during A New Hope. Like you, I prefer an almost Jedi-free original trilogy.

I get how others can have hidden Jedi in their perception of the canon universe and it not contradict what we see on film, though. (Thanks for showing me, youze guys!)

The new kids cartoon 'Rebels' has a Jedi who has been in hiding and a force sensitive young kid. I'm going to be interested in seeing how they make that show 'canon' while still maintaining that Luke was the 'Only Hope'.

Ben: That boy is our only hope.

Yoda: No...there is, another.

Ben: Are you talking about Leia?

Yoda: No, I mean that guy that's been running around for many seasons fighting imperials as a full Jedi while I've let this partially trained kid go fight Vader.

Ben: Speaking of that, why didn't you just go fight Vader? The end of the Clone Wars showed how amazing you are with the force 'and' a lightsaber. Also, why did you drop your annoying backwards talking thing just now?

Yoda: My butt you can kiss. hehehehe...

The new kids cartoon 'Rebels' has a Jedi who has been in hiding and a force sensitive young kid. I'm going to be interested in seeing how they make that show 'canon' while still maintaining that Luke was the 'Only Hope'.

Ben: That boy is our only hope.

Yoda: No...there is, another.

Ben: Are you talking about Leia?

Yoda: No, I mean that guy that's been running around for many seasons fighting imperials as a full Jedi while I've let this partially trained kid go fight Vader.

Ben: Speaking of that, why didn't you just go fight Vader? The end of the Clone Wars showed how amazing you are with the force 'and' a lightsaber. Also, why did you drop your annoying backwards talking thing just now?

Yoda: My butt you can kiss. hehehehe...

Well, it might have only indicated that they were the only hope to bring redemption to Vader.

Or that them being the children of the "prophicied chosen one" might be strong enough to be actually strong enough to destroy the EMperor.

Etc.

Like Ben and Yoda know about every Jedi running around the galaxy. They couldn't sense their boss was a Sith for years.

I know, something something darkside, but you can't go from that to suddenly being able to keep tabs on everything in the galaxy with the Force.

Luke is their last hope because his destiny is to face Vader and the Emperor. Plus, Yoda only has a few years left in him to train a would-be replacement, so it's all riding on Luke.

The best idea I've seen so far is "Jedi vs. Sith, Sith vs. Jedi". Gives the characters a reason to be proactive, gives them a primary villain, rubs elbows with but doesn't overlap with the other two games, and keeps the focus on the Force.

They can do the same things that are done in Edge and Age but with the Force instead.

They can do the same things that are done in Edge and Age but with the Force instead.

While I wouldn't mind if that's what they do, I'd be a little let down. I'm hoping for something specific to the Force that doesn't significantly overlap with Edge or Age. Those two don't overlap, so why should Force and Destiny? You feel me?

Good guys battle bad guys. The rest is all details. Empire enemies, Remnants, Sith, Archeology, there's lots to do.

The best idea I've seen so far is "Jedi vs. Sith, Sith vs. Jedi". Gives the characters a reason to be proactive, gives them a primary villain, rubs elbows with but doesn't overlap with the other two games, and keeps the focus on the Force.

Witch vs. Force Wraiths (lots of places like Luke's trial cave out there - locals need protecting from that stuff)

Shaman vs. CIS developer (build your better world elsewhere)

Jedi wannabe vs. boobytrapped temple (lots of lost Force artefacts out there, often well protected)

Findsman vs. occult serial killer

The best idea I've seen so far is "Jedi vs. Sith, Sith vs. Jedi". Gives the characters a reason to be proactive, gives them a primary villain, rubs elbows with but doesn't overlap with the other two games, and keeps the focus on the Force.

Pardon my ignorance, but aside from the lack of "Jedi" classes, doesn't EotE already have most of the tools to do this already? There's several Dark Jedi/Sith type NPCs... The vehicles and weapons really aren't all that different, most merely requiring a re-skining... Even the Minions really don't change any...

They can do the same things that are done in Edge and Age but with the Force instead.

While I wouldn't mind if that's what they do, I'd be a little let down. I'm hoping for something specific to the Force that doesn't significantly overlap with Edge or Age. Those two don't overlap, so why should Force and Destiny? You feel me?

I know what you mean and I have a feeling that there will be a third mechanic. Alongside Obligation and Duty. Maybe it will have something to do with the characters struggle between their light side and dark side. Or less specifically how they use the force. (To help others, to gain power, to end strife, to perfect their spirit, ect.

Rather than obligation or duty, perhaps it will be...

Destiny