Hi,

Just finished reading the new Eratta and the Targeter now just grants a simple +10 to any BS test.
Now this is an improvement but I still think they are way to expensive.

Red Dot Laser:
Cost: 50 Thrones

+10 to a BS test for single shots

Targeter:
Cost: 2,250 Thrones

+10 BS to any BS test

Now I understand that the Targeter also applies to Semi and Full Auto fire but still, 2.250 Thrones is a bit much.

Another question, what is the range for a Red-Dot Laser, don't tell me you can still see it at 400 meters, I would say 30 to 50 meters would be the absolute maximum.

So for you to answer:

1) Is 2,250 Thrones too much for a Targeter?
2) What is the effective range of a Red-Dot Laser?

grtZ,

S.

1)
no, because i allow them to stack

2)35m day light and 70m in dim light and 140 in total darkness

Firstly, yes the stacking is the imporant part. However, a +10 on Full Auto is a lot more powerful than on single shot - it essentially means one more bullet hitting on every shot, whereas single shot weapons can only benefit as much through Scatter or Accurate, which both aren't exactly frequent.

2) While a laser may not have the range, my group treats it as a generic combat scope. Standard issue for American troops in a combat zone includes an ACOG (3x scope) with quick target sights

However, if you feel the need to limit it to strictly mean laser scope, I would suggest it wouldn't function beyond the weapons normal range.

Emprah_Horus said:

and on a long las?

Red-dot sight is another name for a reflex sight, which uses a laser to mark a red dot in the center of the sight for easier aiming; you're not literally shining a laser pointer on the enemy, so there's no maximum range. (aside from what you could see)

Yeah, i agree that 2,250 is extremely over the top for a simple +10 to BS tests. Maybe if it gave +10 AND dropped the range penalty for a band as well it would be more appropriate..

Plus my group recon the targeter would really function as another type of "sight" so you couldnt have a red dot and a targeter on the same weapon.

I've just re-read the entry and noticed something interesting: The item "reduces all penalties of ballistic skill tests by one-step. Thus, a Very Hard (-30) penalty to hit becomes Hard (-20)."

Could that mean that it is not applied to the sum total of the BS test, but to every individual penalty like range, poor visibility, called shots, moving targets, small targets and so on? For example, that a full auto (+20) burst against a running (-20) gretchin (-10) at long range (-10) in the fog (-20) might be +/-0 in total due to every penalty being reduced by 10?

That would definitely be an item worthy of its 2,25 k thrones...

Whoa... I never thought of it like that... it certainly makes it a much more interesting piece of equipment. I always thought in those lines, ie that it did not add to the actual BS test, but I just thought of it as lowering the sum total of the penalties by 10, and therefor never thought that highly of it, at least not for that price. But you've really put a much more positive spin on it, Cifer.

Cifer said:

According to errata (3.0) Targeter just grants flat +10 to all BS test made with that weapon.

And while 2250 might be a tad bit too expensive the fact that it stacks with RDLS/TS makes it very good.

I agree with Cifer's original comment. +10 BS to Semi and Full auto is quite powerful. Honestly, I think the red-dot sight is undercosted slightly.

The Targeter may be expensive, but what do you expect in a universe, where machinerie is treated as mystical as possible to keep the Adeptus Mechanicus is power?

The Targeter may be expensive, but what do you expect in a universe, where machinerie is treated as mystical as possible to keep the Adeptus Mechanicus is power?

I expect the item to be capable of keeping up powerwise with stuff in the same pricerange. Let's see what these would be:

The Nomad Hunting Instrument
Power Weapons
Carapace Armour (add a few thrones and it's even warded)
several Good quality Augmetics

No, a single +10 doesn't sound quite equivalent to those.

Cifer said:

That's what it implies, and how I interpreted it. It makes Called Shot -10, shooting with the off hand -10, total for an off hand called shot of -20 instead of -40. I haven't seen the bit of the errata that just gives it a +10, which sounds silly to me.