So, now that lucasfilms has kinda sorta removed the EU from canon, what elements from the EU do you think will make it into the new movies?
Considering that instead of using one of the many ships available, they designed a new one for SW Rebels, it doesn't look very good.
Edited by HedgehobbitThey'll keep anything that helps them tell their story or helps them lead into it. They'll remove anything that either contradicts the new story or occurs in the same time period that the new movies occur.
It looks alright to me. A little small for a freighter.
Yeah, I think the ship looks decent actually.
So, now that lucasfilms has kinda sorta removed the EU from canon, what elements from the EU do you think will make it into the new movies?
Considering that instead of using one of the many ships available, they designed a new one for SW Rebels, it doesn't look very good.
I really doubt any of the EU ship models are in serious danger of being deleted, except those first built in the NJO era and later perhaps. The only way I could see ship models being erased from the EU is if they produced a list of ever ship model being used in the galaxy for the time periods when Rebels, The Clone Wars, and the various movies take place. I seriously doubt they will do that. And honestly there are enough shipwrights in Star Wars that you could introduce a hundred new ship models and not need to erase existing ones.
As for the rest of the EU we'll see. We know one of the Rebels writers really likes the Thrawn trilogy so that is reasonably safe IMO.
No one can possibly know the answer to this, but if any of the Big 3 (Luke, Han, Leia) die in the new trilogy, a lot will get invalidated.
Not really since the current EU never stated how or when they died, just that it was sometime between Crucible and the Legacy comics. The only things that would be invalidated by their deaths would be things we already know are no longer valid like the Dark Nest Trilogy, Legacy of the Force, Fate of the Jedi, and Crucible.
I don't think anything will be used in the new movies from the EU.
I haven't read a post RotJ story that I like yet, so I'm pretty happy that it's all being tossed out.
The EU was so bloated that it was almost impossible to jump on.
As for what EU stuff before RotJ exists, it's only really going to matter if something in the future stories invalidates it. Until they tell the complete story of younger Han Solo, the Brian Daley trilogy isn't really invalidated. Most things won't be, especially minor things like which ships exist, etc.
I don't think anything will be used in the new movies from the EU.
Why not? At least some parts of the EU were included in the PT.
http://starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.htmlI don't think anything will be used in the new movies from the EU.
Why not? At least some parts of the EU were included in the PT.
Cuz they just said it won't.
Ok did you somehow miss the part where they talked about elements of the EU being included in Rebels? And nothing in the article said that no elements of the EU would be included in the new movie timeline, unless I missed something.
http://starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.htmlI don't think anything will be used in the new movies from the EU.
Why not? At least some parts of the EU were included in the PT.
Cuz they just said it won't.
Well, that's not entirely true...
On a more serious note, how does today's announcement impact FFGs license. Based on today's press release, after September and the release of New Dawn, all product going forward is canon and must meet the guidelines set up by the Story Group.
Will this delay product?
Does FFG have to abide by these standards?
Are future supplements considered canon?
Finally, and I have to ask it, does this in any way impact FFGs license with Lucasfilm?
Yancy
On a more serious note, how does today's announcement impact FFGs license. Based on today's press release, after September and the release of New Dawn, all product going forward is canon and must meet the guidelines set up by the Story Group.
Will this delay product?
Does FFG have to abide by these standards?
Are future supplements considered canon?
Finally, and I have to ask it, does this in any way impact FFGs license with Lucasfilm?
Yancy
I am not too worried. FFG basically doesn't tell a story, they just supply materials which would be considered canon already as far as I can see. Okay, the Chiss are borderline, but saying there is such a thing as a blue skinned, red eyed race doesn't really endanger the "canon" does it?
I doubt it will have much effect on FFG or the RPG. I do suspect some future computer games won't be included in the canon - unless Battlefront III will only depict already existing battles, where the outcome is always the same, there's bound to be games and stories created that won't be part of the official canon, but instead receive some sort of Legends status.
The Legends resources will remain in print for as long as there's demand as I understand it, and it can still be used for the RPG I'd assume and I also assume that most FFG releases that comes with a story (like adventure modules) automatically equate Legends status, if that. Although as Dante says, they don't really produce stories, but potential stories and mostly only a framework and resources to play a game of your own, creating your own stories... and there's no way LFL or Disney or the Story Group will quality check your games and campaigns to see if it's canon or legends worthy...
So I wouldn't worry, yet.
http://starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.htmlI don't think anything will be used in the new movies from the EU.
Why not? At least some parts of the EU were included in the PT.
Cuz they just said it won't.
This depends on your definition of "including EU" as well though. Kennedy says in that article the new Rebels TV show will be canon and includes elements from the WEG days. I consider that to be "using EU", and I'd expect that sort of thing will also occur on future movies too. If anything I'd say that part of the function of the story group, to take a script for a new movie and look at where it talks about something, likes say a planet with enormous space stations and star destroyers, and say "oh, well what you've got here could fit Kuat nicely with almost no effort. Do that."
On the other hand if you define "including EU" as "the specific characters and events that take place in all those comics, novels and games" then yeah, the EU is gone forever.
It's also worth saying an EU elements survivability can be linked to what it does to the galaxy at large, and how that limits the writers of new materials. If an element just provided material to work with like the old WEG elements, odds are good it will survive in some form. If the EU element just tells another adventure of the heroes of Yavin, its got a chance. If the EU element has have the galaxy destroyed and a main character killed? Kiss it goodbye.
I wonder if the RPG will just take on the Legends logo.
That article at sw.com is vague but it seems like the "Legends" label only applies to EU that takes place post-RotJ. If that's the case, then FFG's games appear to avoid it since they all (at least AFAICT) take place before then.
It's real simple, Disney is laying claim to the entire time period post TCW. They are doing the same with post RotJ. It's all for development of the IP and to lay 100% undisputed claim to the story. They are simply sweeping aside claims of plagiarism and exerting full control of the IP for leverage in any infringement litigation by being able to say in court it's all theirs and they used nothing from any other source.
Fairly much none of it:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/lucasfilm-unveils-new-plans-star-698973
A statement from Lucasfilm confirms that the new movies will discard everything other than the movies and "The Clone Wars" and "Rebels" animated series.
Mind you, getting rid of crap like the Yuuzhan Vong, Starcrushers and so forth isn't much of a loss..
I would suspect a lot of the pre-movie stuff like The Old Republic video game lore will remain canon, since EA has an exclusive game deal with Disney. Money does talk, after all.
It's real simple, Disney is laying claim to the entire time period post TCW. They are doing the same with post RotJ. It's all for development of the IP and to lay 100% undisputed claim to the story. They are simply sweeping aside claims of plagiarism and exerting full control of the IP for leverage in any infringement litigation by being able to say in court it's all theirs and they used nothing from any other source.
Given that a hefty amount of people currently working on Star Wars projects have loved and enjoyed their experience in the EU, I think saying things like "the EU is invalidated" or "the EU is being swept away" or "deleted" or whatever is a tad misleading. The EU is still there; it's just not considered canon anymore. Basically all the stuff under the new Legends banner (Ie stuff that isn't on screen) is in the state of "could've happened" or "didn't happen." Given that Pablo Hidalgo hated having to kill off Chewbacca, and given his prominent position in the Star Wars scene right now, that's probably something that will get invalidated 
but, say, Zahn's Outbound Flight? At this point, nothing in the films or TV contradicts it, so it could have happened.
And pretty much ALL of the EU is still a viable source for inspiration for future Star Wars material, to film makers and gamemasters alike!
Fairly much none of it:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/lucasfilm-unveils-new-plans-star-698973
A statement from Lucasfilm confirms that the new movies will discard everything other than the movies and "The Clone Wars" and "Rebels" animated series.
Mind you, getting rid of crap like the Yuuzhan Vong, Starcrushers and so forth isn't much of a loss..
These Hollywood Reporter guys seem to like their erroneous, sweeping statements. Another headline said "New 'Star Wars' Movies To Avoid Expanded Universe Elements," and yet in that article they quote their source as saying, "You know, [the EU is] not off-limits, and it’s certainly inspiring — I’m working on an animated show for [Lucasfilm] as well, Star Wars: Rebels, that will take inspiration from everywhere."
Anyway. It's not a matter of "Good riddance forever to that filth." It's simply a matter of cleanly re-establishing canon and strongly reasserting that, as ever, the stories on screen take precedence over the stories in books, video games, etc.
Disney already owns Star Wars in it's entirety. This means they can include whatever elements from the EU that they want to include. Zahn doesn't own any rights to Mara Jade, and Perry doesn't own Dash Rendar. Everything in the Star Wars universe was the sole property of George Lucas to do with as he wished (which he did), and now it's the sole property of Disney. No Star Wars author has any ownership rights to the material they write for the Star Wars universe. That has been the agreement from day 1.It's real simple, Disney is laying claim to the entire time period post TCW. They are doing the same with post RotJ. It's all for development of the IP and to lay 100% undisputed claim to the story. They are simply sweeping aside claims of plagiarism and exerting full control of the IP for leverage in any infringement litigation by being able to say in court it's all theirs and they used nothing from any other source.
Given that a hefty amount of people currently working on Star Wars projects have loved and enjoyed their experience in the EU, I think saying things like "the EU is invalidated" or "the EU is being swept away" or "deleted" or whatever is a tad misleading. The EU is still there; it's just not considered canon anymore. Basically all the stuff under the new Legends banner (Ie stuff that isn't on screen) is in the state of "could've happened" or "didn't happen." Given that Pablo Hidalgo hated having to kill off Chewbacca, and given his prominent position in the Star Wars scene right now, that's probably something that will get invalidated
And pretty much ALL of the EU is still a viable source for inspiration for future Star Wars material, to film makers and gamemasters alike!
Just owning it isn't enough in defending an IP in copyright infringement actions. Particularly when something gets as big as Star Wars and is so out there in the public eye. It's necessary to show an ongoing active effort in both controlling and using all levels of an IP to keep it completely yours. That's why Lucas filed a claim against the US government when Reagan made his Star Wars comment in a state of the union speech. It's also why you see names like Gandalf and Frodo being used in so many ways that aren't directly related to the Tolkien Estate, because for so many years they didn't take that active defense/control stance, they lost the right to exert that level of copyright control. If you don't defend and demonstrate that control, constantly, things like names become public domain and free game. Once that starts happening control begins to erode in civil actions.