I am pretty Ok with this as it doesn't invalidate all of the joy that I have gotten from reading a well crafted story or playing a fun video game, i look forward to more of the same.

I guess my one problem is all of the guide books that have unified all of the EU into a cohesive narrative, such as the Guide to Warfare and the Essential Atlas, at present we don't know how much of this is part of Legends and how much stays in. This also covers the sourcebooks released by FFG so far, such as Suns of Fortune, which pulled on a lot of EU. Is this information still accurate or is the Correlian system now completely different?

I can't quite believe that all of the old EU will be part of the Legends imprint, as many old stories won't ever be overwritten by the new stuff and for me unless a story is directly contradicted by new stuff, it still happened in that galaxy far away.

On a plus side, I have always thought that stories about our favorite heroes are akin to the legends of King Arthur and his Knights of the round table, and it seems that the big wigs at Disney agree with me.

If they go to Corellia in Ep 7,8,9 and it's completely different from the EU description, then it will become canon. Until it's contradicted just treat everything as you have so far. I think FFG Star Wars is Legends by it's nature though.

Reset to make more money with less work? Great. A typical slap in the face (IMO) of people who invested money in the comics/books. Don't care, Thrawn, Darth Caedus, Jaina Solo, that is my SW universe. Great that it is already full. Nice that they named it Legend, to separate from the future Disney universe. Perhaps soon we will realize how much we miss G.Lucas and cry for another Episode I, II or III ... Perhaps I am wrong, but I have my bad feeling about this.... Just hoping FFG will be based on Legend.

DC and Marvel have been oing it for years. While they take elements from the history of the charcters, they freely re-imagine them. Like it or not. Star Wars has been around that it has built a huge forest of history. It needs some trimming and some and some sonsolidation. Much like the comics of my youth, its not like I can't remember them fondly or go back and read them. many characters with long histories have had reenvisionings to greater or lesser success. I like it as it will give a chance to maybe some good ideas that may have been buried due to GL not liking the idea due to it not fitting his view of Star Wars.

You know, it's funny...

For all the talk of how it sucks that Lucasfiilm has deep-sixed the prior EU, last I checked the various books and graphic novels that I've purchased over the years, quite a few of which deal with post-RotJ events, are still there on my shelf, available for when I might next want to read some of them.

So while Lucasfilm as a corporate entity simply made what they felt was the most sensible decision, if the fans want to go back and re-read those older stories and enjoy them, they're free to do so.

Plus, as has been noted, Lucasfilm hasn't put the EU category in a "do not touch ever!" bin, and have even said that authors are free to draw from it if they choose. The only real change is that authors are no longer required to adhere to prior EU anymore. So for an author that hated the fact that Chewbacca was killed at the start of NJO, they could easily do a story some 30+ years after RotJ that featured Chewbacca (though they'd probably have to still contend with the new movies). Same goes for an author that wants to tell a story involving the Mandalorians but can't stomach the degree of Mary Sueness that Karen Traviss lavished upon them because of her love for Boba Fett; that author can freely ignore everything she's written, and instead only has to deal with the Mandalorian stuff that cropped up in The Clone Wars.

As for the RPG product line, pretty sure everything in it is pretty much Legends by default. The material I wrote for WotC on the two projects I worked on certainly would be, even prior to this announcement (I believe they fell into C-level canon under the old system, since they didn't contradict anything in the movies). I guess time will tell if the Story Group has to or is willing to take the time to review/verify stuff in RPG supplements.

Quote intothenight: "...baby with the bath water..."

Quote nicodavout: "...slap in the face.."

My feelings too.

With this announcement, I want ALL EU thrown out, EVERYTHING, including editing the PT to remove the name "Coruscant" out. It is EU after all (at least it originated there).

(Yes, I created an account here just to voice my displeasure at how Disney/Lucasfilm seems to be regarding their core audiance. This seems to be a great community of Star Wars fans.)

I'm somewhere between stunned at their laziness, heartbroken at the death of literally everything that has built Star Wars in to what we all know, and curious about the future. The whole point of the EU was to avoid a Reboot, and that's just what has happened here. Now it's all gone; predictable stuff like Admiral Thrawn and the Yuuzhan Vong, but also iconic stuff like Knights of the Old Republic.

That's right, as of two days ago, Revan no longer exists. All gone, toast, a dream we collectively shared. Let that sink in.

Honestly while I hope that they bring Knights of the Old Republic into the new canon it needs the reboot. For some reason the writers of the Saga edition Knights of the Old Republic campaign guide ignored the part of Knights of the Old Republic which stated that the Sith Fleet was composed of warship designs whose origin was unknown and made most of its ships either modern Republic or ancient Sith designs. Having a clear answer for the origin of those designs would be nice.

And the EU still exists it just isn't in the same timeline as the new movies until parts of it are added into the new post ROTJ timeline.

That's right, as of two days ago, Revan no longer exists. All gone, toast, a dream we collectively shared. Let that sink in.

Ok, don't you think this is more than a little over-exaggerated? For one thing, none of this exists. It's all fictional. That's not a put down or anything, I'm in the middle of a huge re-read campaign of a bunch of SW novels I haven't read since middle school and I love the EU as much as the next guy. But seriously, nothing is stopping you from enjoying what came before. You might hate the new movies if they deviate, sure, but that's on you for not being willing to change. Just be happy that there's much more Star Wars on the way, don't be sad that it's not exactly the way you want it.

But seriously, nothing is stopping you from enjoying what came before.

Star Wars "Legends": good story (stories), nothing matters. All the time invested in characters, planets, situations, relationships, all gone. All (real life) money spent, "oh by the way, it doesn't count any more." Can I enjoy it? Yes. Will it ever mean as much as before? No, because it is all gone.

I'm somewhere between stunned at their laziness, heartbroken at the death of literally everything that has built Star Wars in to what we all know, and curious about the future. The whole point of the EU was to avoid a Reboot, and that's just what has happened here. Now it's all gone; predictable stuff like Admiral Thrawn and the Yuuzhan Vong, but also iconic stuff like Knights of the Old Republic.

That's right, as of two days ago, Revan no longer exists. All gone, toast, a dream we collectively shared. Let that sink in.

I'm not sure that's even accurate, "In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded." That's from the announcement. The only thing we can be sure of is that the new trilogy will not tell the stories told in the Thrawn books or any of the other post RotJ EU stuff. Pre-OT stuff could even remain intact, though if I were Disney I would do some trimming there and prepare it for a new series of movies set in the Old Republic era.

But seriously, nothing is stopping you from enjoying what came before.

I equate this to the end of the "Hitchhikers Guide" books from Douglas Adams. Starts off, main character almost does on Earth, ends with main character (through time travel adventures)... dies on Earth. Nothing mattered. Good story.

Star Wars "Legends": good story (stories), nothing matters. All the time invested in characters, planets, situations, relationships, all gone. All (real life) money spent, "oh by the way, it doesn't count any more." Can I enjoy it? Yes. Will it ever mean as much as before? No, because it is all gone.

But why does that mean you wasted your money? One spends money on an entertainment product like a book or comic or game to be entertained, and if you're just buying them to keep up then maybe that's not the best use of your money either way. Just because the movies won't be based around the Legends storyline doesn't mean those stories never existed, they're just a different interpretation of what could have happened.

Hell, there's nothing stopping you from considering Legends as your personal canon and all Disney canon as the what-if. Or mix and match from both, picking your favorites where they come. The only way it "doesn't count" is if you let that be the case.

Ok, don't you think this is more than a little over-exaggerated? For one thing, none of this exists. It's all fictional. That's not a put down or anything, I'm in the middle of a huge re-read campaign of a bunch of SW novels I haven't read since middle school and I love the EU as much as the next guy. But seriously, nothing is stopping you from enjoying what came before. You might hate the new movies if they deviate, sure, but that's on you for not being willing to change. Just be happy that there's much more Star Wars on the way, don't be sad that it's not exactly the way you want it.

You're understating the role that these stories have played in some of our childhood's, things we hold on to and relate to in abstract ways - and Disney, albeit in the most sensitive, positive way possible, has swept it away. I'm not understating anything.

You're understating the role that these stories have played in some of our childhood's, things we hold on to and relate to in abstract ways - and Disney, albeit in the most sensitive, positive way possible, has swept it away. I'm not understating anything.

Welcome to 1999 for us older fans.

If it supposedly doesn't ruin your child, then it isn't Star Wars.

Ok, don't you think this is more than a little over-exaggerated? For one thing, none of this exists. It's all fictional. That's not a put down or anything, I'm in the middle of a huge re-read campaign of a bunch of SW novels I haven't read since middle school and I love the EU as much as the next guy. But seriously, nothing is stopping you from enjoying what came before. You might hate the new movies if they deviate, sure, but that's on you for not being willing to change. Just be happy that there's much more Star Wars on the way, don't be sad that it's not exactly the way you want it.

You're understating the role that these stories have played in some of our childhood's, things we hold on to and relate to in abstract ways - and Disney, albeit in the most sensitive, positive way possible, has swept it away. I'm not understating anything.

I was in my teens when Heir to the Empire came out, it was a pivotal experience for me, it shaped me even though looking back there are certainly other books that were more powerful, but it's ability to draw me even deeper into the world of Star Wars sealed my fate as a Star Wars nerd. Just because Disney has said the Thrawn stories will never become canon doesn't change the impact of those books. Nor do I feel like it has all been swept away, it has just been re-categorized.

Like all Disney products it is all about making money. If they wanted to do a story that included the big 4 (Luke, Liea, Han, Chewie) they was not much room, so getting rid of it all is the best way to create new stories

There is already 4 new Novels coming out.

A prequel book for the new "Rebels" series.

"Tarkin"

"Lords of the Sith" which as a 'Force unleashed' inspired cover with Vader and Emporer.

"Heir to the Jedi" a Luke centered novel taking place after the Battle of Yavin.

I doubt I will buy any of them, since my money is going to FFG right now. Nor do i want to bother keeping track of what is "Legend" status and what is "New canon". And i am very unlikely going to buy any of the "legend" titles anymore, ever.

Disney has altered original works before, such as the Ballad of Mulan or the numerous works that lead to Cinderella. The Disney versions differ from what came before, but they don't invalidate the original works in any way.

Me, I'm thrilled to see it all go. The universe had turned into such a clusterfunk of continuity that telling a good (movie) story would have been impossible. As it stands now, the Opening Scroll would have been 45 minuets long.

Face it - fans are a tiny, tiny portion of the audience. The film has to work for Joe Sixpack who saw the movies once (plus a couple of times on the television), and wouldn't know a Rodian from a Reebo. They're the ones that will take the kids 3 or 4 times, they're the ones the Studio has to win over. The guys who have Princess Leia Underroos? That's the sure thing!

That's right, as of two days ago, Revan no longer exists.

Sweet merciful crap! You mean that Darth Revan was REAL?!? And the only thing it took to stop him was junking the Star Wars universe? Well, that was a close thing, wasn't it?

Star Wars "Legends": good story (stories), nothing matters. All the time invested in characters, planets, situations, relationships, all gone. All (real life) money spent, "oh by the way, it doesn't count any more." Can I enjoy it? Yes. Will it ever mean as much as before? No, because it is all gone.

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted.

- John Lennon

Like all Disney products it is all about making money. If they wanted to do a story that included the big 4 (Luke, Liea, Han, Chewie) they was not much room, so getting rid of it all is the best way to create new stories

There is already 4 new Novels coming out.

A prequel book for the new "Rebels" series.

"Tarkin"

"Lords of the Sith" which as a 'Force unleashed' inspired cover with Vader and Emporer.

"Heir to the Jedi" a Luke centered novel taking place after the Battle of Yavin.

I doubt I will buy any of them, since my money is going to FFG right now. Nor do i want to bother keeping track of what is "Legend" status and what is "New canon". And i am very unlikely going to buy any of the "legend" titles anymore, ever.

Any professionally published material has the goal of making money, no matter what the creators might claim later. So I fail to see why so many act like that is a bad thing.

And if money is an issue do what I've been doing since I bought Sacrifice in hardcover, namely wait until the Mass Market Paperback comes out and buy that. I almost broke that rule for Mercy Kill but read enough about it online tat I was pretty sure it wouldn't be what I hoped for in a new X-Wing novel. Unfortunately I was all too correct.

An old friend from college asked me how I felt about this... so I thought I should give him the normal. short answer, but it turned long:

I for one think it's a good decision. Of course there's been a lot of drama and misunderstanding in the community, but what this actually means is that the old EU is now "Legends", and not much more. The Clone Wars, the up coming Rebels show and the prequel trilogy all took names and stuff from the EU, names of places like Coruscant; names of institutions like the ISB, names of species like Rodian and Ithorian, these are EU (West End Games really) creations from the mid-late 80s, not Lucas'. I doubt they'll retcon the PT, OT, TCW and the new Rebels show, what's in is in, it's canon.

So, the stories about Jacen, Jaina, Dorsk8x, Kyp Durron, Corran Horn and Troy Denning's molestation of the IP (with such crap as the Nest Wars, Abeloth and his poor writing) is now no longer canon - if it ever really was, EU was never canon like the films, as we know it consisted of many different levels of canon... The new films will most certainly make their own story, and that's good, why would I want to see stories I've already read made into films that would never be able to capture the parts that was actually good...? That said, rumours have it that the new trilogy is set 30+ years after RotJ, this means that a sizeable chunk of the EU is placed in between RotJ and the new films, I doubt the new films will explore that period, but perhaps new books will... I believe some events might be kept, but changed, names will reappear, but characters change. I'm quite excited actually. Sure I spent lots and lots of cash on the old novels, but why whine about that and those stories, things change and that's a good thing, otherwise we would still be single cell organisms and there would be no Star Wars.

As for EU stuff pre-films like KOTOR and it's ilk, that was never canon to begin with as far as we know. Not G- or whatever letter canon that was the most canon canon anyways. It was always EU, hence not proper canon, but canon enough for us to include in our games and I'd argue it still is canon enough to include in our games if we want to.

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted.

- John Lennon

Listening to everyone, I admit I can change my mind (a little). The EU has become bloated, inconsistant, and well in some ways tedious. I will at least try and keep an open mind about upcoming projects, stories, books, comics and all. I hope (really, really hope) writers will look to the EU for inspiration, input, and source material.

I'm mad because I care, I care because I love, hopefully the new Star Wars universe can be what I love as well as the old did.

That's right, as of two days ago, Revan no longer exists.

Sweet merciful crap! You mean that Darth Revan was REAL?!? And the only thing it took to stop him was junking the Star Wars universe? Well, that was a close thing, wasn't it?

First of all, you really don't have to try so hard to be an insufferable **** to literally everyone on these boards.

My point is things about the Star Wars Universe that were iconic and held dear outside of the films - to the point of being synonymic - are gone, and that it's a deep-striking Reboot. Does this upset me? On some things, yes, it upsets most of us. I wish they had simply gone through and crossed out what is and isn't canon, but they didn't take that high road. Nonetheless, I am curious almost to the point of optimistic about the future.

Actually I took it was that the tv shows and movies (and novels attached to them) is the official canon. The Legends part is like the alternate time line so that it can still be available to people who want to read it or get a new copy of an old book. However, you do realize that FFG's game is considered part of the Legend and that they can now have the option (with Lucasfilm approval) to draw from canon and Legend. I am pretty thrilled with this because I get the feeling that means FFG gets to hold onto the license for a good long time. So....

Rejoice!

I don't see this as a reboot or some sort of alternate reality. The Legends banner is simply a tag to place on all the old novels so they aren't confused with the new ones. So someone won't go into a bookstore looking for Heir to the Jedi and accidentally buy Heir to the Empire, thinking it was a sequel.

This is why I don't think it will affect the RPG at all. (or video games for that matter).

That's right, as of two days ago, Revan no longer exists.

Sweet merciful crap! You mean that Darth Revan was REAL?!? And the only thing it took to stop him was junking the Star Wars universe? Well, that was a close thing, wasn't it?

First of all, you really don't have to try so hard to be an insufferable **** to literally everyone on these boards.

My point is things about the Star Wars Universe that were iconic and held dear outside of the films - to the point of being synonymic - are gone, and that it's a deep-striking Reboot. Does this upset me? On some things, yes, it upsets most of us. I wish they had simply gone through and crossed out what is and isn't canon, but they didn't take that high road. Nonetheless, I am curious almost to the point of optimistic about the future.

Look I've got a mythosaur ​tattoo with Karen Traviss' Mandalorian prayer to the dead, so I'm attached to some of the EU stuff quite literally, but even if they suddenly say, none of that "happened" in the EU universe it doesn't take away the role those books played in my life. I happen to have read them when my father was dying of cancer, and that will always be with me, regardless of the place in canon they hold. There was no high road to take, no matter what sources they would decide to keep or throw out, someone would have been disappointed.