Well. I was going to post a reasoned post expressing why i feel about these things the way i do but the nitpickers and argumentative types are out in force so i wont bother *L*

I will just say.

A bit of trimming down might not be a bad thing for the SW universe as power creep has taken its toll.

Yes some good stuff will go away but a lot more crap will cease to exist.

Disney has a history of making quality, not always perfect by any standards but they have done a good job with the Marvel universe.

I am not so concerned about them as i am with JJ.

According to the man himself he shows up at a tv studio plonks down an idea and expects Orci and the gang to make it into a show, returning on occasion to check up on things. There is a reason Fringe and Almost Human were good shows. And that was the fact that despite the JJ name he really did not have that much to do with them.

Movies on the other hand are a different thing. From a bunch of annoying wankers running around while a 400 foot monster remains invisible to the eye. To the ability to teleport from Earth to the Klingon homeworld and fire torpedoes all the way across the neutral zone JJ doesnt have a good track record.

Im just hoping Kasdan can keep him in line. I am trying to be an optimist believe it or not, i have heard some positive things and having some of the original writers involved will help a lot.

I really think you need to take a step back. The books and story was one thing, but obviously none of that carries over to the games. Do you ever use named pilots in your games? If Luke dies on the table do you swipe all the pieces off because it's suddenly non-canon? Take a deep breath, life will go on.

It just a challange, think of it as paying homage to the death of EU.

I challange people to make canon only fleet list.

Just because the squad name was never featured on the screen doesn't make it non-cannon. So most of what you list are nonsense restrictions.

If you want to make a truly cannon only list, you would be able to use any of the generic pilots for any ship that appeared on screen.

I should also say that no missiles, proton bombs, turret weapons and ion canons and proxy mines can be used nore heavy laser canons Reg Protons and seismic charges only.

Out of the astro mechs only R2-D2. The good news with that is you get more points to spend on other things.

The interesting thing is with Empire since TIE Fighter swarms are already popular so that shouldnt change the swarm lists much.

If anyone uses Y-Wing they can end up being heavy duty torp bombers.

Again, that's not a cannon only list. That's a "it had to have a name spoken on screen" list. There were plenty of various Astromech's used. Just because they didn't have names doesn't make them non-cannon.

We saw Tie Bombers dropping some sort of bomb so those are cannon.

The various technical guides are still considered cannon so anything listed in them would be valid.

I challange people to make canon only fleet list.

Just because the squad name was never featured on the screen doesn't make it non-cannon. So most of what you list are nonsense restrictions.

If you want to make a truly cannon only list, you would be able to use any of the generic pilots for any ship that appeared on screen.

But theirs no sources that names those squadrons that is canon. Jennifer said source books are still canon but how can that be if character are in it and ships and force abilities that first showed up in mediums that are noncanon? How can she say Revan is probably canon just because he almost made it into the CW show, he no longers accoupy space-time in Star Wars primary universe? Are games canon or not did she trolls the fans at the last sec when she said to ignore what she said about games because fans annoyed her?

Why is eu now labeled Legends when we already have a group of stories from alternate SW universes called Infinities? Does this system somehow keep it canon? If so why did she go out of her way to say everything, other than CWC the 6 movies and everything after, is nonc canon. Since she changed her mind at the end about games does that invalidate her whole question and answers posts? If I am does that mean source books and games really are noncanon?

I challange people to make canon only fleet list.

Just because the squad name was never featured on the screen doesn't make it non-cannon. So most of what you list are nonsense restrictions.

If you want to make a truly cannon only list, you would be able to use any of the generic pilots for any ship that appeared on screen.

But theirs no sources that names those squadrons that is canon. Jennifer said source books are still canon but how can that be if character are in it and ships and force abilities that first showed up in mediums that are noncanon? How can she say Revan is probably canon just because almost made it into the CW show, he no longers accoupy space-time in Star Wars primary universe? Are games canon or not did she trolls the fans at the last sec when she said to ignore what she said about games because fans annoyed her?

Why is eu now labeled Legends when we already have a group of stories from alternate SW universes called Infinities? Does this system somehow keep it can? If so why did she go out of her way to say everything, other than CWC the 6 movies and everything after, is nonc canon. Since she changed her mind at the end about games does that invalidate her whole question and answers posts? If I am does that mean source books and games really are noncanon?

No source for generic call signs? You mean the red and gold squadron call signs from A New Hope aren't cannon? ::Eye roll::

But theirs no sources that names those squadrons that is canon.

So? The ship itself is canon, and for this game that's really the only thing that matters.

For a named pilot like say Fel, or Howlrunner. Yes those would be non-canon because those characters did not exist. But the Tie Interceptor and Bomber did most certainly exist on screen and as such they are canon. A lot of various astromech's also showed up on the screen, so those are canon.

But if we want to use your methodology, then the Academy pilots can't be used, because they were never mentioned in the movies, neither was the Academy itself. At no point in any of the OT was a single name used for a Tie Fighter squadron that I can think of.

So that pretty much leaves what. Vader in a X1 and Fett in Slave 1 for the Empire.

But theirs no sources that names those squadrons that is canon.

So? The ship itself is canon, and for this game that's really the only thing that matters.

For a named pilot like say Fel, or Howlrunner. Yes those would be non-canon because those characters did not exist. But the Tie Interceptor and Bomber did most certainly exist on screen and as such they are canon. A lot of various astromech's also showed up on the screen, so those are canon.

But if we want to use your methodology, then the Academy pilots can't be used, because they were never mentioned in the movies, neither was the Academy itself. At no point in any of the OT was a single name used for a Tie Fighter squadron that I can think of.

So that pretty much leaves what. Vader in a X1 and Fett in Slave 1 for the Empire.

What about 'You can go to the Academy next year'... 'But that's a whole other year!'... I think that kind of counts as mentioning it...

It's a pity when someone lets other people decide for them which toys are cool enough to play with and which ones aren't.

It's a pity when someone lets other people decide for them which toys are cool enough to play with and which ones aren't.

"Some fictional characters are more fictional than others." - George Orwell

(I may be misquoting Animal Farm)

Hate to disagree, but isn't that all what product placement and advertising is all about? The appearance of choice is the real guise.

I challange people to make canon only fleet list.

Just because the squad name was never featured on the screen doesn't make it non-cannon. So most of what you list are nonsense restrictions.

If you want to make a truly cannon only list, you would be able to use any of the generic pilots for any ship that appeared on screen.

But theirs no sources that names those squadrons that is canon. Jennifer said source books are still canon but how can that be if character are in it and ships and force abilities that first showed up in mediums that are noncanon? How can she say Revan is probably canon just because he almost made it into the CW show, he no longers accoupy space-time in Star Wars primary universe? Are games canon or not did she trolls the fans at the last sec when she said to ignore what she said about games because fans annoyed her?

**** dude. I tried going back a page to see where this insanity originated from so that MAYBE I could see where you're coming from. That didn't happen. Smoke a bowl, crack open a beer, pop a xanax, go for a walk, just CALM THE HELL DOWN. Seriously, it'll be okay.

I was considering starting a new thread entitled: "Why I don't give a **** about the EU", but I can clearly see this debate is already well underway here.

I'm a hardcore SW fan and have been since I was a child. I lightsaber'd the hell out of my moms plants as a kid with vacuum accessories. People who know me equate me with Star Wars, and I couldn't give a **** that the EU is no longer.

There are interesting insights, clever back stories, but really the way that I see it is if I said to myself "C-3PO really WAS the king of the Ewoks in a past life" and wrote a book about it and someone bought it, all of a sudden it's a part of the SW universe as a whole? No. I'm sorry, but that's the goofiest thing I've ever heard.

Now maybe there are writers that implement clever crap and blah blah blah. I respect talent. I do, but the movies to me were the only canon growing up, and still are today.

Long story short, I couldn't care less about the EU erase, X-Wing will never stop using named pilots, and crazy guy up there needs to get laid.

Thank the force, I could not stand the EU. Hated Mara Jade, Hated them killing Chewbacca.

Good riddance!

People are really missing the important part of all of this, glad you noticed it too

Chewbacca LIVES!!!!!!!!!

I disagree about Mara though I mean she sort of fits for Luke, like Han and Leia are compliments to each other despite. But again I would like to focus on Chewie not dieing that was perhaps the biggest disappointment with the current EU

I challange people to make canon only fleet list.

Just because the squad name was never featured on the screen doesn't make it non-cannon. So most of what you list are nonsense restrictions.

If you want to make a truly cannon only list, you would be able to use any of the generic pilots for any ship that appeared on screen.

But theirs no sources that names those squadrons that is canon. Jennifer said source books are still canon but how can that be if character are in it and ships and force abilities that first showed up in mediums that are noncanon? How can she say Revan is probably canon just because he almost made it into the CW show, he no longers accoupy space-time in Star Wars primary universe? Are games canon or not did she trolls the fans at the last sec when she said to ignore what she said about games because fans annoyed her?

**** dude. I tried going back a page to see where this insanity originated from so that MAYBE I could see where you're coming from. That didn't happen. Smoke a bowl, crack open a beer, pop a xanax, go for a walk, just CALM THE HELL DOWN. Seriously, it'll be okay.

I was considering starting a new thread entitled: "Why I don't give a **** about the EU", but I can clearly see this debate is already well underway here.

I'm a hardcore SW fan and have been since I was a child. I lightsaber'd the hell out of my moms plants as a kid with vacuum accessories. People who know me equate me with Star Wars, and I couldn't give a **** that the EU is no longer.

There are interesting insights, clever back stories, but really the way that I see it is if I said to myself "C-3PO really WAS the king of the Ewoks in a past life" and wrote a book about it and someone bought it, all of a sudden it's a part of the SW universe as a whole? No. I'm sorry, but that's the goofiest thing I've ever heard.

Now maybe there are writers that implement clever crap and blah blah blah. I respect talent. I do, but the movies to me were the only canon growing up, and still are today.

Long story short, I couldn't care less about the EU erase, X-Wing will never stop using named pilots, and crazy guy up there needs to get laid.

I was okay with your post until the very end, over the top as it was. Your last comment reminds me of all the toxic name calling (nerd/virgin) that pervades lesser forums, and we really don't need that kind of flaming here.

Hmm, I wonder if they will start making the first "canon-approved" books now.

I expected something like this once they started talking about moving past the three original films, I didn't think they were going to hunt down everyone and pay them crazy sums of royalties while juggling all those stories. The Chewbacca lives and no Yuuzhan Vong are definitely the most proverbial silver lining in all of this to me.

All in all, I'm excited to see where they go with it.

I disagree. Chewbacca dying to save Anakin was very powerful! The best stories are those that not all of he main characters make it out alive. Would GoT be as engrossing if everyone fought each other and nobody died? People complain about it, but IMO it's the exact reason why it's so engrossing. Chewie died fulfilling his life debt to Han. That's powerful. Sad, true, but powerful. Nobody ever threw a tantrum when Ben sacrificed himself to save Luke, or when Porkins died trying to destroy the Death Star. Even in Harry Potter characters died. It's just good story telling having to say goodbye to a character you love, especially if it's for a good cause.

I agree with swimmingordy, I was totally cool with Chewie's death. It was a meaningful death, it didn't feel forced to me, and it was a nice shake-up to the "everything turns out ok in the end" feel a lot of Star Wars stuff had. On the other hand, I do agree that it didn't really fit the overall SW tone, but again I like the darker stuff.

BUT, definitely not upset that it "didn't happen." I'm confident Disney and Abrams will do right by the series.

And Ewok, WAAAGH is right. BKL does need to chill, but the derisiveness isn't called for.

I believe it fit the tone just fine. Like grows up thinking his a orphan, from a family shattered by trauma. He loses his mentor, Ben only to find another and lose him too. All if his friends die, including his best friend growing up, Biggs at the hand of his father. A farther that hurts him and cuts his hand off, knowing that her is his son.... The list goes on. Chewie was just one of many deaths along the way. I think hits right in the feels more because he seemed so indestructible.

I was okay with your post until the very end, over the top as it was. Your comment reminds me of all the toxic name calling (nerd/virgin) that pervades lesser forums, and we really don't need that kind of flaming here.

No flaming, name calling, derisiveness intended. Perhaps I was a bit too loose with my tongue at the end. I was going for more relaxing advice. Ah well. Not everything lands where you throw it.

I hate to break it to them but that will mean that whatever you all get on the silver screen is going to reasemble what has already been written because the current writters are not creative enough to make real unique stories.

So the EU writers can do something that other writers can't?

Some of the EU writers allready have done stuff better. I 100% guarantee if I see the movie it wont be orignal, and the plot will be transparent. If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean. He basically made a what if wrath of khan movie and even then the orignal stuff in it was boring or just stupid. They never show why Bones out of the blue would injects Khans blood into a dead animal. Out all the orignal scenes in the 2nd reboot movie that don't refrence a scene from Wrath of Khan that one pisses me off the most logic wise.

I guess if I work around bio-hazardous chemicals and one of tanks holding it some losses its identfication slip I better have a dead animal on hand to enject a sample into because grenades...

JJ's writing hasn't been nearly as bad as you're suggesting. Your nitpick is frankly, silly, and the mark of someone going in searching for flaws. His writing has been clever enough to throiw nods to the fans, and still follow its own direction. If you go into any movie expecting to hate it you will. That doesn't make the movie bad.

Read bellow

If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean.

In other words, you're one of those JJ Haters/Hipsters who might as well not see anything he does because you go into it with a massive bias against him.

Fringe is ok, I tried to like his Star Trek movies but they were ether dull or had very stupid stuff in them. The first one was boring and feel like Kirk was was a character that easily could have been written out of the story. He really didn't do anything important startegic wise with the Enterprise that I remember, I think it was all Spock.in the first movie. I also am getting annoyed that writters ever since AvP:R have to have Pregnant women, birth scenes and Pregnant belly scenes. Pregnant woman are awesome dont get me wrong but I feel it abit unessary to have stuff like that in most the movies I watch. They easily could have had Kirk already be born when Denero attack his dads ship or better yet he could have been 4 years old and witnessing his fathers death ****** him up psychologically. That would add some colorful character.

The 2nd one is just bad... I didn't have to nit pick small details of the plot because some of the major plot events where damaged by bad logic. It makes no since for bones to just some guys blood and inject it into a dead animal, an alien one at that. It really feels like a what if verson of wrath of khan. The first movie at least had a orignal plot.

Just to be clear my lack in faith in SW media after the new post about canon is not reserved just for JJ, I have no faith in Rebels crew and cast, none for marvels new SW comics none for the novels and obviously none for EA and SW game since they already said their stuff is noncanon. I actully have a strong compulsion to destroy all my SW stuff just because its noncanon including my orignal Stele chronicals book. It being noncan has somehow sucked all the joy out of my sw stuff.

Sir, you're ruining this for youself. A story being non-Canon in no way destroys it. But if you really wanna destroy your stuff I'll send you my address and pay shipping.

You don't understand, I am hard core about canon peroid even with things I don't like. If my stuff is non-canon it needs to be destroyed. If I give it away I am spreading noncanon information that MUST be forgotten because it is noncanon.

This forum and all contained within it are non-canon.

Proceed accordingly.

I will admit, some cuddling and a post-coital cigarette are probably the epitome of 'relaxing,' but that's still a little invasive. I prefer a good craft beer, myself.

I hate to break it to them but that will mean that whatever you all get on the silver screen is going to reasemble what has already been written because the current writters are not creative enough to make real unique stories.

So the EU writers can do something that other writers can't?

Some of the EU writers allready have done stuff better. I 100% guarantee if I see the movie it wont be orignal, and the plot will be transparent. If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean. He basically made a what if wrath of khan movie and even then the orignal stuff in it was boring or just stupid. They never show why Bones out of the blue would injects Khans blood into a dead animal. Out all the orignal scenes in the 2nd reboot movie that don't refrence a scene from Wrath of Khan that one pisses me off the most logic wise.

I guess if I work around bio-hazardous chemicals and one of tanks holding it some losses its identfication slip I better have a dead animal on hand to enject a sample into because grenades...

JJ's writing hasn't been nearly as bad as you're suggesting. Your nitpick is frankly, silly, and the mark of someone going in searching for flaws. His writing has been clever enough to throiw nods to the fans, and still follow its own direction. If you go into any movie expecting to hate it you will. That doesn't make the movie bad.

Read bellow

If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean.

In other words, you're one of those JJ Haters/Hipsters who might as well not see anything he does because you go into it with a massive bias against him.

Fringe is ok, I tried to like his Star Trek movies but they were ether dull or had very stupid stuff in them. The first one was boring and feel like Kirk was was a character that easily could have been written out of the story. He really didn't do anything important startegic wise with the Enterprise that I remember, I think it was all Spock.in the first movie. I also am getting annoyed that writters ever since AvP:R have to have Pregnant women, birth scenes and Pregnant belly scenes. Pregnant woman are awesome dont get me wrong but I feel it abit unessary to have stuff like that in most the movies I watch. They easily could have had Kirk already be born when Denero attack his dads ship or better yet he could have been 4 years old and witnessing his fathers death ****** him up psychologically. That would add some colorful character.

The 2nd one is just bad... I didn't have to nit pick small details of the plot because some of the major plot events where damaged by bad logic. It makes no since for bones to just some guys blood and inject it into a dead animal, an alien one at that. It really feels like a what if verson of wrath of khan. The first movie at least had a orignal plot.

Just to be clear my lack in faith in SW media after the new post about canon is not reserved just for JJ, I have no faith in Rebels crew and cast, none for marvels new SW comics none for the novels and obviously none for EA and SW game since they already said their stuff is noncanon. I actully have a strong compulsion to destroy all my SW stuff just because its noncanon including my orignal Stele chronicals book. It being noncan has somehow sucked all the joy out of my sw stuff.

Sir, you're ruining this for youself. A story being non-Canon in no way destroys it. But if you really wanna destroy your stuff I'll send you my address and pay shipping.

You don't understand, I am hard core about canon peroid even with things I don't like. If my stuff is non-canon it needs to be destroyed. If I give it away I am spreading noncanon information that MUST be forgotten because it is noncanon.

Oh good.

EU was scrapped. As much as that hurts me in some ways, I'll sacrifice ALL for getting rid of the STUPID Vong.

Even you, kyle. : (

I am sad, but not discouraged. The cinematic Marvel Universe has been fantastic so far, despite it not following the same exact path as many of the past comics.

This does not negate all the past stories and make them meaningless; rather it paves a path for new stories to be told or retold in new ways.

*crosses fingers for Kyle Katarn to be a big character in the new EU*