Why design something new when you have something that already works?

Lots of reasons. Look at the Rebels TV show. There was no need to invent new ships, but they did.

When you give artists a chance to create new Star Wars designs, they will come up with stuff so freakin' cool you'd be crazy not to put it on screen.

New stories demand new stuff, sometimes just to give us eye candy, sometimes because it fills a (specific) role in the story, sometimes both.

New stuff equals new merchandise.

There are also lots of reasons to use familiar designs, and I think we'll see lots of them, too.

New stuff equals new merchandise.

Yeah they'll do it even if for no other reason then new toys to sell.

I hate to break it to them but that will mean that whatever you all get on the silver screen is going to reasemble what has already been written because the current writters are not creative enough to make real unique stories.

So the EU writers can do something that other writers can't?

In a sense, true creativity is impossible.

True, there is nothing new under the sun. But to say that the EU writers, are somehow inherently better then current screenwriters...

Well I'm not sure I could express just how flawed that opinion is. Especially when you consider just how bad some EU stuff is.

In a sense, true creativity is impossible.

True, there is nothing new under the sun. But to say that the EU writers, are somehow inherently better then current screenwriters...Well I'm not sure I could express just how flawed that opinion is. Especially when you consider just how bad some EU stuff is.

Oh agreed. But I would honestly prefer that this were written as a novel, by say Timothy Zahn, adapted, and then worked from there. With the Novel released just before the movie, like Episodes 1-3. I don't know enough about the current scriptwriters to know if they'll put out quality product.

Why design something new when you have something that already works?

Lots of reasons. Look at the Rebels TV show. There was no need to invent new ships, but they did.

When you give artists a chance to create new Star Wars designs, they will come up with stuff so freakin' cool you'd be crazy not to put it on screen.

New stories demand new stuff, sometimes just to give us eye candy, sometimes because it fills a (specific) role in the story, sometimes both.

New stuff equals new merchandise.

There are also lots of reasons to use familiar designs, and I think we'll see lots of them, too.

True that!

I hate to break it to them but that will mean that whatever you all get on the silver screen is going to reasemble what has already been written because the current writters are not creative enough to make real unique stories.

So the EU writers can do something that other writers can't?

Some of the EU writers allready have done stuff better. I 100% guarantee if I see the movie it wont be orignal, and the plot will be transparent. If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean. He basically made a what if wrath of khan movie and even then the orignal stuff in it was boring or just stupid. They never show why Bones out of the blue would injects Khans blood into a dead animal. Out all the orignal scenes in the 2nd reboot movie that don't refrence a scene from Wrath of Khan that one pisses me off the most logic wise.

I guess if I work around bio-hazardous chemicals and one of tanks holding it some losses its identfication slip I better have a dead animal on hand to enject a sample into because grenades...

I find this to be a cynical and callous move by LFL. Not to mention unnecessary.

The idea that SW has been dying (financially) from poor quality EU is absurd. They have been making top selling novels, comics, and games at a higher quality (on average) and greater volume than ever, all while the G-canon Clone Wars TV was running strong.

The Prequels were a HUGE disruption to continuity. HUGE. And yet, inventive authors and artists went to work and ironed out a lot of the inconsistencies in entertaining fashion. I would contend that there are fewer inconsistencies within the EU than there are within the 6 films themselves, on a ratio of volume of story material to continuity error. If the films are set 30 or 40 years after the OT, then (by happy coincidence) they are basically in the same place as the EU story has progressed. There are ways that the new films could sidestep being chained to EU continuity without completely discarding it. And once the films come out, the EU would be forced to reconcile all the necessary changes anyways, just like they did when the prequels came out. It is a creative challenge.

The EU is either a major source of revenue, or it is not significant. If it is insignificant, why worry about changing it up now? If it has been a major, profitable, source of revenue, why spit in the face of all the loyal customers for all those years?

Obviously, the films and more directly related merchandise are the primary revenue source. But LFL/Disney are counting on the SW fans who have been loyal all these years to keep buying the new stuff, even as they invalidate (in the minds of many devoted fans) all the stories they have enjoyed. That's why I think this is cynical, and perhaps even short sighted.

Another thing they are likely counting on is a new generation of SW fans growing up who will restart the cycle of purchases with these new stories that (for now) are considered true official golly-gosh Lucas approved A#1 canon.

Good luck to them. As someone who has read or listened to many many SW novels, and who has read and owns every SW comic book ever made, I will have to think hard about whether I want to continue in the new revised continuity or not. I'm not a continuity-obsessed nitpicker, as I always considered the stories to be legends and myths that may incorporate some level of contradictions and alternate versions, but the fact that the whole story is being rebooted altogether is definitely off-putting to me.

I hate to break it to them but that will mean that whatever you all get on the silver screen is going to reasemble what has already been written because the current writters are not creative enough to make real unique stories.

So the EU writers can do something that other writers can't?

Some of the EU writers allready have done stuff better. I 100% guarantee if I see the movie it wont be orignal, and the plot will be transparent. If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean. He basically made a what if wrath of khan movie and even then the orignal stuff in it was boring or just stupid. They never show why Bones out of the blue would injects Khans blood into a dead animal. Out all the orignal scenes in the 2nd reboot movie that don't refrence a scene from Wrath of Khan that one pisses me off the most logic wise.

I guess if I work around bio-hazardous chemicals and one of tanks holding it some losses its identfication slip I better have a dead animal on hand to enject a sample into because grenades...

If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean.

In other words, you're one of those JJ Haters/Hipsters who might as well not see anything he does because you go into it with a massive bias against him.

I don't understand why so many people seem to prefer thinking everything will be crap. Go in with an open mind, be prepared to enjoy it. If you prime yourself to enjoy something you will probably like it more than if you had no expectations, but if you prime yourself to hate it you will, no matter how good or bad it really is. Be ready to embrace change, it might be for the better. At the very least, reserve judgement for after the movie comes out.

Still don't understand the canon hang up. If Jennifer Whatserface came to my house and wanted a 1-on-1 to explain her stance on Star Wars cannon, I wouldn't be able to hear her over the sound of Battlefront 2's ridiculous sound effects. I could not care less what she or anyone (including all of you, no offense) thinks is cannon. It doesn't matter.

Execs have all kinds of confused priorities and ulterior motives, they always have. I only care if they release a quality product. If they do, awesome. If they don't, **** 'em. It doesn't make the stuff that you already enjoy somehow less enjoyable.

Why design something new when you have something that already works?

When you give artists a chance to create new Star Wars designs, they will come up with stuff so freakin' cool you'd be crazy not to put it on screen.

There are also lots of reasons to use familiar designs, and I think we'll see lots of them, too.

Not to sound like I am attacking but do you really think the main antagonists ship in Rebels is cool? It's a TIE Fighter with Darth Mauls wing things on it...

They are probably going to do stupid things with the stuff we have or had or whatever it is now. I am talking about character development now.

They will have Baron Fel be a 60 year old solb TIE Fighter pilot that throwsup on himself in the moarning because he drinks all the time and wallows in self pitty over his failed career and because he is a joke to Empire. He will only be a Baron because his familiy has powerful conections within the fleet but at the same he is a joke so they made him a Baron of a outer rim planet that the Empire could careless if it falls into Reb hands because, 1) It has very little startegic value. 2) The Empire already already has weapons in place bellow surface that wlll be triggerd by the local Moff if the planet falls into enemies. When trigger the planet will not support life after detnation. The Baron doesn't know about this tidbit of info until the end and switches sides to the Rebels becoming a comedic side kick that cooks the food aboard the shadow. The running joke being that anytime the rebels want fighter support the Baron always volunters but the rest of the cast make up humors excuses why they need him to do something else. I will not find any of those jokes to be funny bty and he also will never catch on that the reason they come up with reasons for him to not fly a starfighter until the 7th season. He kills himself after he finds out, but the rest of the crew do not realize he left the Shadow to kill himself, they only think he left. And he rests in piece but forgotten in a unmarked grave so to speak and forotten by the galaxy. His last thoughts being that the fruit of his lifes work lead him to be the Baron of a Barren moon with no wings that he might fly free and if he was ending his life or was he already in hell for the fallen have no wings.

He will be played by William Shatner probably, and until he becomes a Reb cook he will dress like a WWI German aviator with some TIE Pilot gear but greesed and streched out. And he will have a scarf so huge it might as well be a cape.

Disney will probably dosomething disrespectful like this to Baron Fels character.

Oh and skilled Imperials and or good imperials will no longer exist ether. They prob turn Stele into a sadistic anemic butcher with a inferiority complex and a uncontrolable urge to shoot down other Imperials over Reb craft, which will be the main reason the Reb heros escape him when he is around. Steles last lines will be I can't die! MY PENSION!!!!!

I find this to be a cynical and callous move by LFL. Not to mention unnecessary.

The idea that SW has been dying (financially) from poor quality EU is absurd. They have been making top selling novels, comics, and games at a higher quality (on average) and greater volume than ever, all while the G-canon Clone Wars TV was running strong.

The Prequels were a HUGE disruption to continuity. HUGE. And yet, inventive authors and artists went to work and ironed out a lot of the inconsistencies in entertaining fashion. I would contend that there are fewer inconsistencies within the EU than there are within the 6 films themselves, on a ratio of volume of story material to continuity error. If the films are set 30 or 40 years after the OT, then (by happy coincidence) they are basically in the same place as the EU story has progressed. There are ways that the new films could sidestep being chained to EU continuity without completely discarding it. And once the films come out, the EU would be forced to reconcile all the necessary changes anyways, just like they did when the prequels came out. It is a creative challenge.

The EU is either a major source of revenue, or it is not significant. If it is insignificant, why worry about changing it up now? If it has been a major, profitable, source of revenue, why spit in the face of all the loyal customers for all those years?

Obviously, the films and more directly related merchandise are the primary revenue source. But LFL/Disney are counting on the SW fans who have been loyal all these years to keep buying the new stuff, even as they invalidate (in the minds of many devoted fans) all the stories they have enjoyed. That's why I think this is cynical, and perhaps even short sighted.

Another thing they are likely counting on is a new generation of SW fans growing up who will restart the cycle of purchases with these new stories that (for now) are considered true official golly-gosh Lucas approved A#1 canon.

Good luck to them. As someone who has read or listened to many many SW novels, and who has read and owns every SW comic book ever made, I will have to think hard about whether I want to continue in the new revised continuity or not. I'm not a continuity-obsessed nitpicker, as I always considered the stories to be legends and myths that may incorporate some level of contradictions and alternate versions, but the fact that the whole story is being rebooted altogether is definitely off-putting to me.

Preach!!!

I could not care less what she or anyone (including all of you, no offense) thinks is cannon. It doesn't matter.

I guess it matters depending on how much you consider cannon to be important.

The fact that Heir to the Empire isn't cannon doesn't change my opinion of the book. It also doesn't effect how much I enjoy the new movies coming out.

It does effect what is or isn't "history" when discussing Star Wars with other people. Until now if you got into a debate on who is stronger Darth Sidius vs Luke, you had cannon to use as "historical facts" to back up your argument. You no longer have that... But then again if you don't really care about cannon or get into those kinds of discussions then no it doesn't really matter.

Disney will probably dosomething disrespectful like this to Baron Fels character.

Blah, blah blah, you hate JJ and Disney. We get it.

Why design something new when you have something that already works?

When you give artists a chance to create new Star Wars designs, they will come up with stuff so freakin' cool you'd be crazy not to put it on screen.

There are also lots of reasons to use familiar designs, and I think we'll see lots of them, too.

Not to sound like I am attacking but do you really think the main antagonists ship in Rebels is cool? It's a TIE Fighter with Darth Mauls wing things on it...

They are probably going to do stupid things with the stuff we have or had or whatever it is now. I am talking about character development now.

They will have Baron Fel be a 60 year old solb TIE Fighter pilot that throwsup on himself in the moarning because he drinks all the time and wallows in self pitty over his failed career and because he is a joke to Empire. He will only be a Baron because his familiy has powerful conections within the fleet but at the same he is a joke so they made him a Baron of a outer rim planet that the Empire could careless if it falls into Reb hands because, 1) It has very little startegic value. 2) The Empire already already has weapons in place bellow surface that wlll be triggerd by the local Moff if the planet falls into enemies. When trigger the planet will not support life after detnation. The Baron doesn't know about this tidbit of info until the end and switches sides to the Rebels becoming a comedic side kick that cooks the food aboard the shadow. The running joke being that anytime the rebels want fighter support the Baron always volunters but the rest of the cast make up humors excuses why they need him to do something else. I will not find any of those jokes to be funny bty and he also will never catch on that the reason they come up with reasons for him to not fly a starfighter until the 7th season. He kills himself after he finds out, but the rest of the crew do not realize he left the Shadow to kill himself, they only think he left. And he rests in piece but forgotten in a unmarked grave so to speak and forotten by the galaxy. His last thoughts being that the fruit of his lifes work lead him to be the Baron of a Barren moon with no wings that he might fly free and if he was ending his life or was he already in hell for the fallen have no wings.

He will be played by William Shatner probably, and until he becomes a Reb cook he will dress like a WWI German aviator with some TIE Pilot gear but greesed and streched out. And he will have a scarf so huge it might as well be a cape.

Disney will probably dosomething disrespectful like this to Baron Fels character.

Oh and skilled Imperials and or good imperials will no longer exist ether. They prob turn Stele into a sadistic anemic butcher with a inferiority complex and a uncontrolable urge to shoot down other Imperials over Reb craft, which will be the main reason the Reb heros escape him when he is around. Steles last lines will be I can't die! MY PENSION!!!!!

Well, on the plus side, your imagination has made the movie so terrible it can't help being better than you expect...

That happened to me when I watched the D&D movie, the one from 2000. I had heard over and over just how amazingly rotten it was. So on a rainy Sat afternoon it was on TV so I watched it. Compared to what I was expecting it was actually kinda good.

I hate to break it to them but that will mean that whatever you all get on the silver screen is going to reasemble what has already been written because the current writters are not creative enough to make real unique stories.

So the EU writers can do something that other writers can't?

Some of the EU writers allready have done stuff better. I 100% guarantee if I see the movie it wont be orignal, and the plot will be transparent. If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean. He basically made a what if wrath of khan movie and even then the orignal stuff in it was boring or just stupid. They never show why Bones out of the blue would injects Khans blood into a dead animal. Out all the orignal scenes in the 2nd reboot movie that don't refrence a scene from Wrath of Khan that one pisses me off the most logic wise.

I guess if I work around bio-hazardous chemicals and one of tanks holding it some losses its identfication slip I better have a dead animal on hand to enject a sample into because grenades...

JJ's writing hasn't been nearly as bad as you're suggesting. Your nitpick is frankly, silly, and the mark of someone going in searching for flaws. His writing has been clever enough to throiw nods to the fans, and still follow its own direction. If you go into any movie expecting to hate it you will. That doesn't make the movie bad.

Read bellow

If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean.

In other words, you're one of those JJ Haters/Hipsters who might as well not see anything he does because you go into it with a massive bias against him.

Fringe is ok, I tried to like his Star Trek movies but they were ether dull or had very stupid stuff in them. The first one was boring and feel like Kirk was was a character that easily could have been written out of the story. He really didn't do anything important startegic wise with the Enterprise that I remember, I think it was all Spock.in the first movie. I also am getting annoyed that writters ever since AvP:R have to have Pregnant women, birth scenes and Pregnant belly scenes. Pregnant woman are awesome dont get me wrong but I feel it abit unessary to have stuff like that in most the movies I watch. They easily could have had Kirk already be born when Denero attack his dads ship or better yet he could have been 4 years old and witnessing his fathers death ****** him up psychologically. That would add some colorful character.

The 2nd one is just bad... I didn't have to nit pick small details of the plot because some of the major plot events where damaged by bad logic. It makes no since for bones to just some guys blood and inject it into a dead animal, an alien one at that. It really feels like a what if verson of wrath of khan. The first movie at least had a orignal plot.

Just to be clear my lack in faith in SW media after the new post about canon is not reserved just for JJ, I have no faith in Rebels crew and cast, none for marvels new SW comics none for the novels and obviously none for EA and SW game since they already said their stuff is noncanon. I actully have a strong compulsion to destroy all my SW stuff just because its noncanon including my orignal Stele chronicals book. It being noncan has somehow sucked all the joy out of my sw stuff.

Well, on the plus side, your imagination has made the movie so terrible it can't help being better than you expect...

That happened to me when I watched the D&D movie, the one from 2000. I had heard over and over just how amazingly rotten it was. So on a rainy Sat afternoon it was on TV so I watched it. Compared to what I was expecting it was actually kinda good.

First person to ever say that the D&D movie was good - EVER .

I hate to break it to them but that will mean that whatever you all get on the silver screen is going to reasemble what has already been written because the current writters are not creative enough to make real unique stories.

So the EU writers can do something that other writers can't?

Some of the EU writers allready have done stuff better. I 100% guarantee if I see the movie it wont be orignal, and the plot will be transparent. If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean. He basically made a what if wrath of khan movie and even then the orignal stuff in it was boring or just stupid. They never show why Bones out of the blue would injects Khans blood into a dead animal. Out all the orignal scenes in the 2nd reboot movie that don't refrence a scene from Wrath of Khan that one pisses me off the most logic wise.

I guess if I work around bio-hazardous chemicals and one of tanks holding it some losses its identfication slip I better have a dead animal on hand to enject a sample into because grenades...

JJ's writing hasn't been nearly as bad as you're suggesting. Your nitpick is frankly, silly, and the mark of someone going in searching for flaws. His writing has been clever enough to throiw nods to the fans, and still follow its own direction. If you go into any movie expecting to hate it you will. That doesn't make the movie bad.

Read bellow

If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean.

In other words, you're one of those JJ Haters/Hipsters who might as well not see anything he does because you go into it with a massive bias against him.

Fringe is ok, I tried to like his Star Trek movies but they were ether dull or had very stupid stuff in them. The first one was boring and feel like Kirk was was a character that easily could have been written out of the story. He really didn't do anything important startegic wise with the Enterprise that I remember, I think it was all Spock.in the first movie. I also am getting annoyed that writters ever since AvP:R have to have Pregnant women, birth scenes and Pregnant belly scenes. Pregnant woman are awesome dont get me wrong but I feel it abit unessary to have stuff like that in most the movies I watch. They easily could have had Kirk already be born when Denero attack his dads ship or better yet he could have been 4 years old and witnessing his fathers death ****** him up psychologically. That would add some colorful character.

The 2nd one is just bad... I didn't have to nit pick small details of the plot because some of the major plot events where damaged by bad logic. It makes no since for bones to just some guys blood and inject it into a dead animal, an alien one at that. It really feels like a what if verson of wrath of khan. The first movie at least had a orignal plot.

Just to be clear my lack in faith in SW media after the new post about canon is not reserved just for JJ, I have no faith in Rebels crew and cast, none for marvels new SW comics none for the novels and obviously none for EA and SW game since they already said their stuff is noncanon. I actully have a strong compulsion to destroy all my SW stuff just because its noncanon including my orignal Stele chronicals book. It being noncan has somehow sucked all the joy out of my sw stuff.

First person to ever say that the D&D movie was good - EVER .

Not good... relatively good compared to what I was expecting.

When you expect to be disemboweled with a dull spoon, getting slapped in the face isn't so bad.

I hate to break it to them but that will mean that whatever you all get on the silver screen is going to reasemble what has already been written because the current writters are not creative enough to make real unique stories.

So the EU writers can do something that other writers can't?

Some of the EU writers allready have done stuff better. I 100% guarantee if I see the movie it wont be orignal, and the plot will be transparent. If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean. He basically made a what if wrath of khan movie and even then the orignal stuff in it was boring or just stupid. They never show why Bones out of the blue would injects Khans blood into a dead animal. Out all the orignal scenes in the 2nd reboot movie that don't refrence a scene from Wrath of Khan that one pisses me off the most logic wise.

I guess if I work around bio-hazardous chemicals and one of tanks holding it some losses its identfication slip I better have a dead animal on hand to enject a sample into because grenades...

JJ's writing hasn't been nearly as bad as you're suggesting. Your nitpick is frankly, silly, and the mark of someone going in searching for flaws. His writing has been clever enough to throiw nods to the fans, and still follow its own direction. If you go into any movie expecting to hate it you will. That doesn't make the movie bad.

Read bellow

If you looked at JJ work with ST you will see what I mean.

In other words, you're one of those JJ Haters/Hipsters who might as well not see anything he does because you go into it with a massive bias against him.

Fringe is ok, I tried to like his Star Trek movies but they were ether dull or had very stupid stuff in them. The first one was boring and feel like Kirk was was a character that easily could have been written out of the story. He really didn't do anything important startegic wise with the Enterprise that I remember, I think it was all Spock.in the first movie. I also am getting annoyed that writters ever since AvP:R have to have Pregnant women, birth scenes and Pregnant belly scenes. Pregnant woman are awesome dont get me wrong but I feel it abit unessary to have stuff like that in most the movies I watch. They easily could have had Kirk already be born when Denero attack his dads ship or better yet he could have been 4 years old and witnessing his fathers death ****** him up psychologically. That would add some colorful character.

The 2nd one is just bad... I didn't have to nit pick small details of the plot because some of the major plot events where damaged by bad logic. It makes no since for bones to just some guys blood and inject it into a dead animal, an alien one at that. It really feels like a what if verson of wrath of khan. The first movie at least had a orignal plot.

Just to be clear my lack in faith in SW media after the new post about canon is not reserved just for JJ, I have no faith in Rebels crew and cast, none for marvels new SW comics none for the novels and obviously none for EA and SW game since they already said their stuff is noncanon. I actully have a strong compulsion to destroy all my SW stuff just because its noncanon including my orignal Stele chronicals book. It being noncan has somehow sucked all the joy out of my sw stuff.

Sir, you're ruining this for youself. A story being non-Canon in no way destroys it. But if you really wanna destroy your stuff I'll send you my address and pay shipping.

You don't understand, I am hard core about canon peroid even with things I don't like. If my stuff is non-canon it needs to be destroyed. If I give it away I am spreading noncanon information that MUST be forgotten because it is noncanon.

I challange people to make canon only fleet list. 100 pts and if you feel up to it 200 and 300. You cant use crew fron EU.

For the Empire you can only use

TIE Fighters academy pilots

all other Fighter squadrons and Pilots are noncanon.

No TIE Interceptors all squadrons and Pilots in game are noncanon.

No TIE Bombers all squadrons and Pilots in game are noncanon

You can have Darth Vader in TIE Advanced X1

No other TIE Advanced X1 pilots or squadrons can be used because they are noncanon.

No Imperial Shuttles can be used because all squadrons and named Pilots are noncanon.

You can have Boba Fett but no other versions of the ship he uses because its noncanon.

NO TIE DEFENDERS and Phantoms all squadrons and pilots and ships are noncanon.

Rebs

You can pick Red Squadron X-Wing and all pilots but not rookiee pilots.

You can pick both Gold and Grey Y-Wing Squadrons and use Dutch but Salm is not pickable because he is noncanon.

You can only have Green Squadron A-Wings. All other A-Wings including refit upgrade from reb aces is noncan and cant be used.

No B-Wings can be used they are noncanon pilots and squadrons

No Hawks can be used the ship itself is noncanon including the pilots

Han Solo, Lando, and Chewbacca can be used every other 1300 is noncanon.

Both big ships can be used.

E-Wings and Head Hunters cant be used they are noncanon.

I really think you need to take a step back. The books and story was one thing, but obviously none of that carries over to the games. Do you ever use named pilots in your games? If Luke dies on the table do you swipe all the pieces off because it's suddenly non-canon? Take a deep breath, life will go on.