I want to kick a Jawa!

Well I'd like to kick a lot of bloody Ewoks!

...only to be replaced with... ***LENS FLARE***

Is that really so much worse than: Wipe, Wipe, Dissolve. Wipe, Wipe, Disolve...

I generally like to judge things based upon 'what's worse' instead of striving for something I'd actually enjoy. Wipe wipe wipe dissolve fit with the times. And I'm ok with that.

Truthfully, I don't think Abrams will lens flare the heck out of it. I think he probably understands the 'antiquated technology' feel of SW and will hopefully capture that. Joss Weeden on the other hand already did that with Firefly, and would have been and obvious choice if I were in charge. But I do think Abrams will do it justice. If he DOES lens flare all over the place, I will be disappointed.

Sadly the heavy handed approach means that even the good parts of the EU are going bye bye.

What heavy handed approach? The article specifically mentioned that they are keeping things open for creators to cherry pick good stuff from the old EU.

A sweeping move to invalidate 25+ years of stories, characters, events, etc etc is heavy-handed. If you don't understand this, then you are being disingenuous.

Agreed - that article was written to yodel you to think that it's a good thing or something... Tricky writing can convince the masses.

If you think about it from the games stand point I see this as a good thing. I would bet that FFG designers have been digging to find characters that also flew ships of the same model as the IG-2000, Houndstooth, Punishing One, Mist Hunter, and various other ships. Now if need be they could just make them up. Also we still have all the new ships that will be in the new movies to come. As well as all the new comics, animated series, and novels that will follow.

As a child of 77 and a Star Wars fan since I was old enough to walk hearing about the 30+ years of EU being dropped as canon hurt, but didn't surprise me in any way. I was actually shocked it took Disney this long to do it.

Ever since Disney bought the franchise we have been expecting some level or retcon. We have known officially for months that they were reviewing what to keep and what to discard.

Heavy handed would have been "Everything in all post Jedi novels are no longer canon" or "All comic books are now invalidated". Saying "Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe." Actually sounds like they are willing to keep a fair amount of the setting and background intact and cherry pick good stuff that they want to use.

Cherry Picking is not Heavy Handed.

Ever since Disney bought the franchise we have been expecting some level or retcon. We have known officially for months that they were reviewing what to keep and what to discard.

Heavy handed would have been "Everything in all post Jedi novels are no longer canon" or "All comic books are now invalidated". Saying "Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe." Actually sounds like they are willing to keep a fair amount of the setting and background intact and cherry pick good stuff that they want to use.

Cherry Picking is not Heavy Handed.

Someone is deep in denial I see

Yea, they didn't name any specific characters they're keeping, just corporations and ideas like the ISB and SoroSub. That's like gutting a house down to the frames, changing the layout and completely redoing everything and calling it a 'light remodel'...

Honestly Im suprised that they named specifics as to any of the EU they would keep.

People like us will hang on and disect everything that they do, so anything that they do say will end up "carved in stone" and any deviation from that will be met with outcry.

And using the imagery of:

That's like gutting a house down to the frames, changing the layout and completely redoing everything and calling it a 'light remodel'...

Maybe we can instead think of it as they have 'tented' the house for constuction. Even though from the outside the sounds of construction makes it seem like they are "gutting a house down to the frames, changing the layout and completely redoing everything," we could still end up with a house that still 'feels like home' even if it looks different than it did.

But then I'm an Optimist who prepares like a Pessimist.

Ever since Disney bought the franchise we have been expecting some level or retcon. We have known officially for months that they were reviewing what to keep and what to discard.

Heavy handed would have been "Everything in all post Jedi novels are no longer canon" or "All comic books are now invalidated". Saying "Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe." Actually sounds like they are willing to keep a fair amount of the setting and background intact and cherry pick good stuff that they want to use.

Cherry Picking is not Heavy Handed.

Someone is deep in denial I see

Someone is grasping at straws, I see.

Look, the fact remains that a LOT of people like Heir to the Empire and the rest of the Thrawn Trilogy. They also love the X-wing novels. Those are GREAT parts from the EU. The Jedi Search stuff? Not so much. The Marvel comics? O.O No. Just . . . no.

And I'm willing to bet the people who are going to look through the EU and find the good stuff will be doing us a favor. I mean really, are you honestly that enthralled with the charming rogue known as Jaxxon? What about the indestructible starship known as the Suncrusher? Maybe you'd like to wade through the 100 different deckplans made for the Millennium Falcon to find the most sensible one?

How is Disney taking a different direction from the established EU timeline invalidate all those books? Are they burning them?

Just because someone offers you an apple, it doesn't mean you have to throw all your oranges in the garbage.

I have found a plus side to this. The Jedi spirits thing never lived up the "I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" line. By removing Ben being pulled away from the world they can really utilize the idea of the Jedi sticking around and making an influence on the universe.

who cares if its cannon or not?? i mean Abrams blew up Vulcan, yet i still actually like his movies, Just as long as they don't disneyfi the movies with loads of crappy characters like Jar jar, Ewoks and make Yoda sound like Fozzy bear!!!.. Oh wait that was all ready done by George... In MY head the universe is big enough for BOTH universes, yes my head is THAT big..

Major inconsistencies off the top of my head:

The whole Boba was originally named Jaster Mareel thing.

Yes, they have retconned it to be a pseudonym, but that doesn't change the fact that they had to retcon it in the first place.

Was pretty ridiculous.

And that's just the first one that springs to mind.

But their are very few contradictions is the point I was making as well as those two books the writers go through bassed on all the SW novels or all the comic and few contradictions were found.

There's the whole R5 from the Sandcrawler using the force to disable himself versus R2 sabotaging him in several non film versions of A New Hope....

Honestly the biggest issue with the EU is how much the dialect and phraseology hinges on the original trilogy events, as if everything the authors know of the universe happened only in those movies. The number of references to Tattooine Fauna is silly in a universe that large.

You must have missed the fact that story was a infinities story from the get go, the jedi droid stroy with R5.

Major inconsistencies off the top of my head:

The whole Boba was originally named Jaster Mareel thing.

Yes, they have retconned it to be a pseudonym, but that doesn't change the fact that they had to retcon it in the first place.

Was pretty ridiculous.

And that's just the first one that springs to mind.

But their are very few contradictions is the point I was making as well as those two books the writers go through bassed on all the SW novels or all the comic and few contradictions were found.

There's the whole R5 from the Sandcrawler using the force to disable himself versus R2 sabotaging him in several non film versions of A New Hope....

Honestly the biggest issue with the EU is how much the dialect and phraseology hinges on the original trilogy events, as if everything the authors know of the universe happened only in those movies. The number of references to Tattooine Fauna is silly in a universe that large.

You must have missed the fact that story was a infinities story from the get go, the jedi droid stroy with R5.

More I was joking...

Just a heads up Jennifer Heddle, a leader in the Lucas film, has been answering questions from fans. Alot of it is not good. She has flat out said everything is noncanon.

But she said refrence books are canon because "no point in ignoring all that material, its there unless something contradicts it."

JFYI Essential Guide to Warfare has Baron Fel, Juno Eclipse, all the Grand Admirals the best being Zaarin, Octavian Grant and Osvald Teshik. It also has the Avengers and Defenders and Dark Trooper. So alot of cool stuff is canon for the most part.

Rember how I said she said everything was noncanon? She somewhat changed that statement.

They are not sure if the Ewok movies are canon.

She was asked a crap load of times if KOTOR was canon, all but the last two times she said no

She said "We don't consider it "erased" its still there. As long ad nothing new directly contradicts it, it's there to be used."

Taking all that in mind why should we not do the same thing for everthing else if it's not directly contradicted.

Then you get some strange answers from her like when someone asked her if Darth Revan existed. She said the stories where noncanon but since he ALMOST made it into the Clone Wars he could be canon.... WTF!? I dont she knows how space-time relations work in a universe. If he never ocupied a space and had no effect in the course of histor how can he exist...?

The best piece of garbage that came from her has to be on of the last questions she answers... After telling everyone all the games are now noncanon that asked that question she then freaking says

"LIKE SERIOUSLY YOU SHOULD PROBABLY IGNORE ANYTHING I'VE SAID ABOUT VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

LOL."

FREAKING LOL SERIOUSLY?! I didnt add a thing to her stupid quote... Basically we got trolled... >

Frack you the Star Wars TIE Fighter, X-Wing, X Alliance TIE vs X, Rogue Squadrons, Shadows of the Empire, SWTFU 1&2, Battlefronts, and all the later RTS games are fraken canon and anything else I missed so go frack off!

Just a heads up Jennifer Heddle, a leader in the Lucas film, has been answering questions from fans. Alot of it is not good. She has flat out said everything is noncanon.

But she said refrence books are canon because "no point in ignoring all that material, its there unless something contradicts it."

JFYI Essential Guide to Warfare has Baron Fel, Juno Eclipse, all the Grand Admirals the best being Zaarin, Octavian Grant and Osvald Teshik. It also has the Avengers and Defenders and Dark Trooper. So alot of cool stuff is canon for the most part.

Rember how I said she said everything was noncanon? She somewhat changed that statement.

They are not sure if the Ewok movies are canon.

She was asked a crap load of times if KOTOR was canon, all but the last two times she said no

She said "We don't consider it "erased" its still there. As long ad nothing new directly contradicts it, it's there to be used."

Taking all that in mind why should we not do the same thing for everthing else if it's not directly contradicted.

Then you get some strange answers from her like when someone asked her if Darth Revan existed. She said the stories where noncanon but since he ALMOST made it into the Clone Wars he could be canon.... WTF!? I dont she knows how space-time relations work in a universe. If he never ocupied a space and had no effect in the course of histor how can he exist...?

The best piece of garbage that came from her has to be on of the last questions she answers... After telling everyone all the games are now noncanon that asked that question she then freaking says

"LIKE SERIOUSLY YOU SHOULD PROBABLY IGNORE ANYTHING I'VE SAID ABOUT VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

LOL."

FREAKING LOL SERIOUSLY?! I didnt add a thing to her stupid quote... Basically we got trolled... >

Frack you the Star Wars TIE Fighter, X-Wing, X Alliance TIE vs X, Rogue Squadrons, Shadows of the Empire, SWTFU 1&2, Battlefronts, and all the later RTS games are fraken canon and anything else I missed so go frack off!

Ok but really, I'm sure she's doing the best she can. Nerd rage from fans as devoted as us can be hard to handle, and I'd guess that she's also receiving conflicting information from her bosses as people change their minds or reconsider things.

Also, regardless of what anyone says, if nothing directly contradicts a fact I see no reason to consider it non-canon, even if just for your own personal canon. Without any information to take its place there's no harm in leaving something filling that gap.

If that is true I can rest easy a bit.

Just a heads up Jennifer Heddle, a leader in the Lucas film, has been answering questions from fans. Alot of it is not good. She has flat out said everything is noncanon.

But she said refrence books are canon because "no point in ignoring all that material, its there unless something contradicts it."

JFYI Essential Guide to Warfare has Baron Fel, Juno Eclipse, all the Grand Admirals the best being Zaarin, Octavian Grant and Osvald Teshik. It also has the Avengers and Defenders and Dark Trooper. So alot of cool stuff is canon for the most part.

If that is true I can rest easy a bit.

At least until something comes up that contradicts it (a la everything past this point).

But she said refrence books are canon because "no point in ignoring all that material, its there unless something contradicts it."

But that has always been the case. The movies are canon, if something conflicts with the movies, the movies win. Anything else may be fine and dandy, but the movies move in a canonship of their own and are free to ignore other stories as they see fit.

The best piece of garbage that came from her has to be on of the last questions she answers... After telling everyone all the games are now noncanon that asked that question she then freaking says

"LIKE SERIOUSLY YOU SHOULD PROBABLY IGNORE ANYTHING I'VE SAID ABOUT VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

LOL."

FREAKING LOL SERIOUSLY?! I didnt add a thing to her stupid quote... Basically we got trolled... >

Frack you the Star Wars TIE Fighter, X-Wing, X Alliance TIE vs X, Rogue Squadrons, Shadows of the Empire, SWTFU 1&2, Battlefronts, and all the later RTS games are fraken canon and anything else I missed so go frack off!

Jesus, dude...

Chill out. It's all make believe, none of it is worth getting this worked up over.

I'm quite happy with Disney's approach to this. I don't want them to have to limit the stories they want to tell in the new films to fit with the perfectly with the canon of the EU. You would have nerd rage that Luke couldn't possibly be in place X at time Y at the same time as Han Solo, because at time Y Han was busy doing P in Q so says EU book *** Whichever ***.

I think all the post ROTJ story stuff will get deep-sixed , but we might see similar stuff happening. I mean I would expect a new republic to appear (though not in the same way as in the EU). I expect Han and Leia to marry, though whether they have twin Jedi children is another matter. Luke will start a form of Jedi Academy somewhere possibly with the help of Obi-Wan's spirit and/or any other surviving hidden Jedi. What I don;t expect to see is any of the EU only characters used in major ways. We may see flashes but don't expect Thrawn centric story lines or anything like that.

I think a lot of the explanation/supplementary detailing around the films will stay. The history and details for the ships and locations will be kept. So we'll have Sienar Fleet and Incom building ships. We may see a lot of the same designs from the EU being used. (Why design something new when you have something that already works? Now it may not work the same way as in the EU but that is a moot point.)

The best piece of garbage that came from her has to be on of the last questions she answers... After telling everyone all the games are now noncanon that asked that question she then freaking says

"LIKE SERIOUSLY YOU SHOULD PROBABLY IGNORE ANYTHING I'VE SAID ABOUT VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

LOL."

FREAKING LOL SERIOUSLY?! I didnt add a thing to her stupid quote... Basically we got trolled... >

Frack you the Star Wars TIE Fighter, X-Wing, X Alliance TIE vs X, Rogue Squadrons, Shadows of the Empire, SWTFU 1&2, Battlefronts, and all the later RTS games are fraken canon and anything else I missed so go frack off!

Jesus, dude...

Chill out. It's all make believe, none of it is worth getting this worked up over.

The reason I am angry is because of Jennifer Heddles demeanor during the questions. They are pretty disrespectful towards the people asking the question. What she did their in the questions, saying no to games being canon over and over untill the end of her post "don't listen to me about game I don't know anything. LOL," is no better than teasing a dog with ball and making it think you threw it when you really didn't. Dogs piobably don't mind tricks like this but people don't.

I am angry about the EU becoming secondary canon at best BUT that is not why I am pissed while typing. Jennifer could have been talking about United States policy concerning Northrop Grumman and she would have pissed me off if she went about it the way she did with the SW fans.

Excluding her bull I already posted, I feel she should have never answered anyones questions. One reason being, besides treating people like dogs, she doesn't seem to know what she is talking about. Everything moving forward is supposed to be equal canon. How is that going to happen since EA has flat out said al their SW games will not directly follow the movies or orther mediums. They effectivley have said they are making their own SW universe. They want to follow those new batman games style of canon and stroy telling. She doesn't seem to know what LFL is doing with their mediums despite being the president.

Seconed thing is why is all the EU being labeled as Legend? They already have a section for alternate universe material its called Infinities. They should name the past EU as Infinities since it noncanon or whatever...

Third if they need to decanonize the EU to have creative freedom writing their movies then I hate to break it to them but that will mean that whatever you all get on the silver screen is going to reasemble what has already been written because the current writters are not creative enough to make real unique stories. Writers for the eu had been doing it for years and they have haven't had the problem comming up with new good stories.

I hate to break it to them but that will mean that whatever you all get on the silver screen is going to reasemble what has already been written because the current writters are not creative enough to make real unique stories.

So the EU writers can do something that other writers can't?