I believe the main three actors from the OT are definitely in it, but my impression is that it will be more in a "passing the torch" scenario or a flashback. The new movie is set thirty years after the originals.
Heir to the Empire is gone....
I believe the main three actors from the OT are definitely in it, but my impression is that it will be more in a "passing the torch" scenario or a flashback. The new movie is set thirty years after the originals.
This is the rumor I have heard as well.
Honestly, I think this is the ideal way to go for the franchise. No, "Actually... [insert whatever 'outrageous' difference between the films and the books here]" will happern because they are not being constrained to having to follow the books at all. They can pay homage and tribute to them for sure and will hopefully keep some, or at least be inspired by, the great parts of the EU.
Plus, we can all go into this without any preconcieved notions as to what should or should not happen because it will be new and exciting.
That is unless of course, you happen to go to the theater with your arms crossed and during the Star Wars intro music thinking, "This movie sucks. This is not Star Wars."
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That is unless of course, you happen to go to the theater with your arms crossed during the Star Wars intro music thinking, "This movie sucks. This is not Star Wars."
Isn't that how you should watch every movie?
That is unless of course, you happen to go to the theater with your arms crossed during the Star Wars intro music thinking, "This movie sucks. This is not Star Wars."
Isn't that how you should watch every movie?
Yep, complete with hand wringing and gnashing of teeth! ![]()
While I like a lot from the EU, it did tend to get ridiculous. From time to time.
Kyle turning Jedi for no particular reason. Corran as well, sometimes it felt as if every lead character in the EU suddenly was force sensitive. It's a relieve Wedge never shut down his targeting computer, even though he basically had to blink to blow up another squadron of TIEs.
So it's good there is a clean up and rearranging of the furniture, polish off the old stuff and look at it in a new light. Look at all the large fictional universes and the messes they get into. How many spiderman, superman, wolverine, whathaveyou continuities are there? Optimus died how many times and what is his form these days?
And Disney doesn't make bad movies, some may not be great but not bad either. Even John Carter and The Lone Ranger aren't bad movies, they've just been mismanaged. Look at them again with the eyes of ten-year old you who saw Star Wars for the first time, and Indiana, Goonies. They're exciting family adventures for a sunday afternoon.
Oh, and while I love Benedict Cumberbatch, can we please not put him in everything? Not to mention he already confirmed no, and that he'll be on stage next year, there are a lot of great british actors to play villains without going to the big names like Cumberbatch, Irons, Hiddleston, Fassbender. There is a large pool to draw from, just look at GoT for instance, plenty of talent there.
I wouldn't mind seeing a woman be the villain, get me someone like Robin Wright in House of Cards, that'd be cool. Gina Torres? Yes please. Michelle Fairley as a dark lady of the Sith? Run for your lives. Cate Blanchett evil? We're doomed.
If you look at the other posts you can clearly see were making those suggestions tongue in cheek. The suggestion was made BECAUSE he was Kahn.
Corran if you read his original storyline was ALWAYS force sensitive, he just didn't figure it out. He original x wing book , it's rife with his obvious forciness.
Isn't the TITLE of dark forces 2 'Jedi knight'? Wouldn't that be a little lame if Kyle weren't then also able to go scone a Jedi?
Were just playing around here, no need to get judgy. Like Fassbender hasn't been in everything lately either... Just sayin'.
Two words: Brian Cranston.
It had to be done. Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi royally screwed up the time frame. Besides, I like the idea of Luke's dauughter.
Just JJ Abrahams and create a wormhole and reset and alternate universe. Explanation complete!
If you look at the other posts you can clearly see were making those suggestions tongue in cheek. The suggestion was made BECAUSE he was Kahn.
Corran if you read his original storyline was ALWAYS force sensitive, he just didn't figure it out. He original x wing book , it's rife with his obvious forciness.
Isn't the TITLE of dark forces 2 'Jedi knight'? Wouldn't that be a little lame if Kyle weren't then also able to go scone a Jedi?
Were just playing around here, no need to get judgy. Like Fassbender hasn't been in everything lately either... Just sayin'.
Corran was always force sensitive, that's kinda the problem, he didn't need to be, he was interesting enough as it was.
And the title of Dark Forces 2 was Jedi Knight, but that was because Kyle was made into a Jedi, not the other way around. DF was a great game, even without force powers.
And I mentioned Fassbender in the list of actors not to pick, because you see him everywhere.
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I just love discovering new actors or seeing old favourites return instead of seeing Johnny Depp 12th movie this year (or other hot actor of the year, Liam Neeson went through the same for instance in the early 2000's).
And I love casting games, but then seeing what interesting actors I may have missed.
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I think Rooney Mara for instance could've been well suited to portray an Heir to the Empire trilogy Mara Jade.
I love how they herald this continuity as something new going forward, as if there hasn't been consistency for the last 25 years in the EU. All I hear is "Oh yeah, money, money, money!" in a Mickey voice.
If I paid GL $3-4 billion, I'd want to make some of that back. Just sayin'.
I guess I can't really see how you judge a character to be written differently from the start stating that he was 'interesting enough as it was' ico Corran. His whole history was written as a Jedi. That medallion he use that was his grandfathers, all his piloting ability was through the force not despite it. I suppose I don't see the argument that we need fewer force users in protagonists in a universe where that is the MAIN THEME.
WRT Kyle, technology couldn't really handle doing force skills and lightsaber info for FPS at the time. A series of games set in a universe where again, the force is the main theme without it would have been empty and users would have been crying for it. Plenty of other FPS at the time (doom 2 wolfenstein etc) that satisfied the shoot 'em up role. Dark forces II was revolutionary as it was the first time something like that had been created in a computer game. Should they have made a new protagonist? Perhaps. But then Kyle, an already universally loved character would have been graduated to obscurity.
I'm not very comfortable with Hollywood studios thinking screenwriters can craft better fiction than professional authors but due to budget and screen time allotment (only so much you can do in two hours) this move is probably the only one Disney had.
I'm not very comfortable with Hollywood studios thinking screenwriters can craft better fiction than professional authors but due to budget and screen time allotment (only so much you can do in two hours) this move is probably the only one Disney had.
That's a dangerous way of thinking. Whether authors or screenwriters write better fiction is pure opinion, but screenwriters always write better fiction for the specific format of a movie. That's their job, after all, and why even really faithful adaptations like LotR needed screenwriters. The style of writing you'd use for a book usually does not work translated to the medium of film.
I'm not very comfortable with Hollywood studios thinking screenwriters can craft better fiction than professional authors but due to budget and screen time allotment (only so much you can do in two hours) this move is probably the only one Disney had.
Some of the most-beloved movies are adapted from novels, so you have a point there. But some of the most-beloved movies also started as screenplays, too.
A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back didn't start as novels and they turned out okay. ![]()
I'm not a huge fan of much of the EU so scrapping 'most' of it doesn't bother me overly much. The handing it to JJ who screwed up Trek bit however does. But oh well. I will try to reserve as much judgment as possible *L*
But while we are on casting Jonathan Rhys Myers is always an excellent choice for an evil bastard and hasnt been around as much as some.
And the title of Dark Forces 2 was Jedi Knight, but that was because Kyle was made into a Jedi, not the other way around. DF was a great game, even without force powers.
Let me say something regarding Kyle Katarn: anyone who played the original game KNEW Kyle was Force-sensitive, because of the comment made by Darth Vader in the very end. If they were a computer game fan, they might also have read the article in PC Gamer magazine in the (I believe) June 1997 issue when they reviewed Dark Forces and interviewed the creators, who dropped atomic bomb-sized hints that Kyle was always a Jedi and was always planned to be. He didn't get proper training, but he had the Force since birth and was able to use it to aim his blaster more accurately than any other stormtrooper at the academy (so the creators said way back when).
So yeah, you're completely wrong about whether he was *intended* to be a Jedi.
His superior blaster skillz was cause of my awesome aiming, but that's neither here nor there
. Good to know they had always planned on him using the force! Nothing better than a Jedi named Kyle!
And the title of Dark Forces 2 was Jedi Knight, but that was because Kyle was made into a Jedi, not the other way around. DF was a great game, even without force powers.
Let me say something regarding Kyle Katarn: anyone who played the original game KNEW Kyle was Force-sensitive, because of the comment made by Darth Vader in the very end. If they were a computer game fan, they might also have read the article in PC Gamer magazine in the (I believe) June 1997 issue when they reviewed Dark Forces and interviewed the creators, who dropped atomic bomb-sized hints that Kyle was always a Jedi and was always planned to be. He didn't get proper training, but he had the Force since birth and was able to use it to aim his blaster more accurately than any other stormtrooper at the academy (so the creators said way back when).
So yeah, you're completely wrong about whether he was *intended* to be a Jedi.
I guess I must've missed that split second remark at the end. And, even while being an avid gamer, I usually spent my money on games and upgrades instead of magazines not available in my country.
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That still doesn't invalidate my point that it would've been nice to have some lead characters not ending up Jedis.
The SW universe is huge, and as the popularity of characters like Han, Talon Karrde, Thrawn and Wedge shows, there is plenty of (unused) room for non force sensitives to take the spotlight.
In the movies, you're listing all supporting actors... Just sayin', it's a fantasy universe based upon Jedi and the force. What kid wouldn't want to move a star ship with his MIND?! That's telekinesis Kyle, the power to kill a Yak at 100 yards. I understand your point, and Han is super cool, but I feel without force user protagonists it just turns into Star Trek.
But how many cock push-ups can he do?
One is all you need
The majority of the EU was a laughable mess. Very few books, characters, events were worth keeping around. Sadly the heavy handed approach means that even the good parts of the EU are going bye bye. I'll gladly sacrifice Mara Jade and Thrawn to not have a univserse where a Moon lands on a Wookie, and mysterious beings from another galaxy invate with their bio tech (zerg/tyranid much?).
...only to be replaced with... ***LENS FLARE***
...only to be replaced with... ***LENS FLARE***
Is that really so much worse than: Wipe, Wipe, Dissolve. Wipe, Wipe, Disolve...
Sadly the heavy handed approach means that even the good parts of the EU are going bye bye.
What heavy handed approach? The article specifically mentioned that they are keeping things open for creators to cherry pick good stuff from the old EU.