In regards to xwing I think for sure that well see wave 4 ships in the movies. I know FFG had to renegotiate their SW license after the Disney acquisition and Disney was very particular what EU characters were added to the Lcg cannon. Same could be assumed with Xwing

All i can say is:

Jar Jar is in and Thrawn is out?

Someone needs to be shot

All i can say is:

Jar Jar is in and Thrawn is out?

Someone needs to be shot

Others have mentioned being able to "pick our canon", right?

Right??

You can still read the books. They just won't be 100% consistent with the movies. They will still be in the Star Wars Universe, just its own little pocket universe called fictional inconsistency.

Yup, that's pretty much what I'll do. I always picked and chose what was in my own personal canon anyway.

If the new movies don't completely destroy the Thrawn triology, it will remain canon to me.

Oh, thank God!

I love how they herald this continuity as something new going forward, as if there hasn't been consistency for the last 25 years in the EU. All I hear is "Oh yeah, money, money, money!" in a Mickey voice.

Really? You think all the books agree 100% with each other? Lol . . .

Seriously though, I don't mind this at all. The EU has *always* been a separate universe from the main two trilogies. Even the cartoons are said to be separated from them. I tend to think that there are two film saga universes: the ones we saw in theaters, and the one that the EU branched out from in the novelizations. The theatrical universe is the one that is being built off of, and the novel trilogy is the one that Heir to the Empire served as a sequel for.

This makes total sense to me, especially when you consider how the books differ in details from the films in key areas, mainly detail things like calling the Supreme Chancellor the President of the Senate, the 15-meter EU AT-ATs vs the 22 meter film AT-ATs, etc. The overall story is the same in most aspects, at least as far as the main trilogies are concerned, but there are differences between them. So I've always called them two separate but equal universes. One is on screen and takes place in the imagination of George Lucas, and the other is in books and secondary material and takes place in the minds of fans.

If you enjoy Heir to the Empire and the X-wing series, great. They're still on your shelves, aren't they? Lucasfilm/Disney hasn't knocked on your door demanding those books so they can give you "sanitized" versions have they? I didn't think so.

And by the way, X-wing Miniatures Game falls under the same continuity as the books (if you can call it that . . . a game where there's a possibility Luke Skywalker and Han Solo can die has to be taken with a grain of salt as far as its "continuity" is concerned), so you're going to get your Skipray Blastboats and Cloakshape Fighters.

TL;DR This is no more of an emergency to the Star Wars universe as the JJ Abrams Star Trek films were to the Original Series continuity.

on a related note what ARE the best EU/X-wing books to read.. Just picked up mercy kill and read it while on vacation.. pretty good,

i knew that disney would fk up with star wars

THEY CANT HANDLE THE FORCE !!!!

THEY CANT ONLY GEORGE ***** LUCAS COULD !!!

i knew that disney would fk up with star wars

THEY CANT HANDLE THE FORCE !!!!

THEY CANT ONLY GEORGE ***** LUCAS COULD !!!

All I hear is "Oh yeah, money, money, money!" in a Mickey voice.

No need to get your hearing checked, then. That's exactly what's going on.

There's nothing new about that in the movie business, of course. Nothing new about that in the tabletop hobby games business, either. This great game that has brought us together wouldn't be half as popular if it didn't bear the Star Wars brand.

The new Star Wars movies don't need to be made. No one is really dying to tell new Star Wars stories, not the way George was when he started making the original movie. The new movies will probably be full of fan-service nonsense and throwbacks just like the prequels were. But I still plan to see them, and probably will end up owning all of them on home video. Disney knows that.

We're wiser this time, though. Hopefully the movies won't be bad. If they're decent , that'll be enough to keep the brand alive for another generation, and that buys a whole lot of Mickey ear hats.

All I hear is "Oh yeah, money, money, money!" in a Mickey voice.

No need to get your hearing checked, then. That's exactly what's going on.

There's nothing new about that in the movie business, of course. Nothing new about that in the tabletop hobby games business, either. This great game that has brought us together wouldn't be half as popular if it didn't bear the Star Wars brand.

The new Star Wars movies don't need to be made. No one is really dying to tell new Star Wars stories, not the way George was when he started making the original movie. The new movies will probably be full of fan-service nonsense and throwbacks just like the prequels were. But I still plan to see them, and probably will end up owning all of them on home video. Disney knows that.

We're wiser this time, though. Hopefully the movies won't be bad. If they're decent , that'll be enough to keep the brand alive for another generation, and that buys a whole lot of Mickey ear hats.

http://starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.html

They are scrapping all teh stories for the EU, but reserve the right to borrow some things from it. The article mentions a few things they will borrow, such as the Inquisitor, Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems.

Wonder if they will keep Thrawn in the new Canon, perhaps as a cameo at least?

They didnt say anything about decanonizing any of the other mediums. The onlyones that are in danger are post ROTJ and even then X-Wing stories have a low chance of conflicting with the movies.

I read the Heir to the Empire Trilogy when they were released (I still have the first edition hard covers of them somewhere in my house). They came out back when I was in grade 7. Man I feel old.

To be completely honest, and I kind of hate myself for saying this, the Zahn books kinda read like fan fiction. Very good, amazing fan fiction, but fan fiction none-the-less. It really suffers a lot from blantant deux ex machina.

1) Emperor's long lost cloning chambers "Ok I came up with a plausible explanation as to how the Empire can rebuild its military might very quickly (long lost Dreadnought fleet)... but how will they man those ships?... oh right! Clones!)

2) those force negating plants yslamir? "Ok we gave a half believable explanation as to why it takes a long time to clone something, I need something that will get around that completely."

3) Joruus c'Boath in general. "I need an Emperor replacement. But all the Jedi are dead... oh I know, since we are using clones, why not a clone of a Jedi Master!... but why wasnt he killed by Darth Vader?.... oh right, he was out in the outer rim."

Don't get me wrong, the books were great, just not what I would qualify as cannon caliber. Thrawn was awesome. Talon Kaarde was cool.

I think we all knew this was coming. Don't be sad, be awesome instead. This gives us NEW stuff to look forward to!

Honestly, look at what was done with the Star Trek reboot movies. They completely obliterated "canon" while still making great movies

You mean they make movies you find entertaining. I HATE HATE HATE JJ work.

3) Joruus c'Boath in general. "I need an Emperor replacement. But all the Jedi are dead... oh I know, since we are using clones, why not a clone of a Jedi Master!... but why wasnt he killed by Darth Vader?.... oh right, he was out in the outer rim."

To be fair, Obi-Wan Kenobi surviving the purge has always bothered me more.

Random Jerks surviving, even Yoda, I can get along with that. It's a big universe, after all. A man's got to have priorities. There's more protocol droids what need to be built, and fools what need a good choking after all, and lord knows it's got to be hard to sit and relax and enjoy a cup of coffee when you're strapped to that goddamn mask all the time.

Which reminds me... letting the guy who chopped off my arms and legs and left me to slowly incinerate in a **** volcano get away?

Nope.

They explane this in the SW Purge series. Vader found it was a weakness to have an grudge with Obi-Wan and as a Sith Lord he needed to move on to grow as a Sith Lord and a leader of the Empire. My counter question is why would Vader be obsesed with one planet out of billions or more?

And at least Yoda found a spot on an uncolonized world halfway across the galaxy;

I've heard that part of it was being so close to that cave helped shield Yoda from being detected though the force. I don't have a source, just one of those things I heard or read some place...

Its more than that. He pretty much stoped using the force except maybe force stealth, and he was on a planet that had lots of life strong in the force.

Lol! I know, I know! I had a problem with that too. But thats Lucas writing in circles and then getting lost. Want my Kessel Run explanation for this?

After Anakin becomes Vader the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs you hear is his mind shattering. He forgets he once was Anakin. He is now only Vader. He forgets about Yoda, the Jedi Council, Bail Organa, his step-family (the Lars') and Obiwan.

Thats why when the Milenium Falcon lands on the deck of the Death Star Vader looks to the sky and says, "I sense a presence I have not felt since..." and walks away.

Then on the deck, Vader sees Obiwan, and the proverbial shoe drops. Aha!

Darth Vader: I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now *I* am the master.

Obi-Wan: Only a master of evil, Darth.

Cue sound effects and music.

**** it, now I have to go home and watch A New Hope Again and hear "Not Star Trek again! Is this the one with that

Jamaican muppet?"

Why would Vader care about Bail or his step family? As far as the other things go Vader did huntdown lots of Jedi. In alot of those cases he found them while looking for Ben.

But there is still a ton of inconstancy in the EU over the years, enough so that you can hardly fault Disney for wanting to start over rather then try to deal with the EU.

Name all of them in major detail. Youll find that 99% of them are only caused because the reader missed a important bit of information.

Just last year the published two books about canon and how it meshes with other mediums. One was about all the books and the movies. The other was about all the comics and the movies. The writer doing the research for the comic book book noted very very few issues with the stories concerning each other and the movies.

Take not I wont be able to answer your post till around tuesday.

i knew that disney would fk up with star wars

THEY CANT HANDLE THE FORCE !!!!

THEY CANT ONLY GEORGE ***** LUCAS COULD !!!

I loved everything Lucas made for SW and so does the majority of casual movie viewers, hating on Lucas has becoming a unwarnted trope within the SW fanbase.

on a related note what ARE the best EU/X-wing books to read.. Just picked up mercy kill and read it while on vacation.. pretty good,

There's a thread dedicated to that last posed on a couple of days ago with lots of recommendations

I took a Biblical Criticism class last year. As part of it we discussed if the creator of the cannon is allowed to change the cannon, or if the people can change the cannon. We argued about George Lucas vs Han Shot First. Everybody knows Han shot first, its cannon. Screw Lucas for trying to change it...

Hint: the EU is the actual canon.

Love it.

on a related note what ARE the best EU/X-wing books to read.. Just picked up mercy kill and read it while on vacation.. pretty good,

There's a thread dedicated to that last posed on a couple of days ago with lots of recommendations

Any chance you could link the thread?

on a related note what ARE the best EU/X-wing books to read.. Just picked up mercy kill and read it while on vacation.. pretty good,

There's a thread dedicated to that last posed on a couple of days ago with lots of recommendations

Any chance you could link the thread?

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/104410-sobest-books-to-read/

Major inconsistencies off the top of my head:

The whole Boba was originally named Jaster Mareel thing.

Yes, they have retconned it to be a pseudonym, but that doesn't change the fact that they had to retcon it in the first place.

Was pretty ridiculous.

And that's just the first one that springs to mind.

Thank the force, I could not stand the EU. Hated Mara Jade, Hated them killing Chewbacca.

Good riddance!

There's the whole R5 from the Sandcrawler using the force to disable himself versus R2 sabotaging him in several non film versions of A New Hope....

Honestly the biggest issue with the EU is how much the dialect and phraseology hinges on the original trilogy events, as if everything the authors know of the universe happened only in those movies. The number of references to Tattooine Fauna is silly in a universe that large.

Just might be a dumb question, but is they de-canon-ize Heir to the Empire, does that mean they are free to use Thrawn as they see fit for the new movies?

Just might be a dumb question, but is they de-canon-ize Heir to the Empire, does that mean they are free to use Thrawn as they see fit for the new movies?

Basically, yes. They've stated that they will might pull things from the existing EU, but they won't be following the stories exactly.

At first when I heard about this whole thing I got pretty upset, but the more time I've had to think about it, the more ok I am with it. There is just SO MUCH EU stuff that their choices for the new movie are either 1. Follow the novels exactly, or 2. Not follow the novels and basically make them non-cannon. From a financial and creative standpoint, I definitely understand going with the latter. If they are smart they will pull iconic characters, ships, etc. from the existing EU as a way to pay homage to the stories that have been told, while still using them in whatever way best fits the new stories.

The easiest way for my to look at it is like the Marvel Comic Universe vs. the Cinematic Universe. Both are legitimate in their own way. If you really wanted to get into the nitty-gritty of things, there are novelizations of the Original Trilogy, and you could just view all the other EU novels as expansions on those, rather than on the films. XD

I'm ok with this. The bad in the EU far outweighed the good.

Casting call, gentlemen. Who's playing who in the next episode?

Kyle Katarn: Kiefer Sutherland

Thrawn: Clive Owen

Actually, this announcement was a big relief. We have known for months that they were going to be scrapping parts of the EU. I was worried that they would do so with a chainsaw and bin great big chunks without regard for the details within those chunks. This makes it sound a lot more like they are willing to select individual pieces to keep while changing the overarching stories.

In other words, it looks like they will probably be keeping a lot of the details of the universe that have created for the EU, names of planets and organizations, designs of ships, and so on, but changing the actual events.

It sounds like they are keeping the setting and changing the plot of what happens after Jedi.