5- Black Squad with Vet In, Targeting (17)

1- Black Squad with Vet In (15)

Total 100

The thought is your at PS 6 so you going to shoot before most everything. You can focus fire with reroll of all dice if needed.

Is this too crazy?

The problem I think you'll run into is how quick the Ties go down when you don't evade. If you're TLing, then you're not evading.

The Targeting Computer really isn't that useful. When you're attacking at R2-3, you're going to be spending your TL 75% of the time to reroll blanks or focuses. 25% of the time then it will last until the next turn.

If we take the 2 attack scenario, and give the TIE the benefit of the doubt that it's going to want to attack the same target (and capable of attacking said target) for two turns...

w/o TC, you'd be rolling 1.5 + 1.5 = 3.0 hits

w/ TC, you'd be rolling 1.5 + 1.88 * .25 + 1.5 * .75 = 3.095 hits

Which is a 3% damage increase. In the perfect world where no one dies between rounds, and your maneuvered to attack two turns in a row. If you want to say that it sets up the R1 attack the next turn...

w/o TC you'd be rolling 1.5 + 2.25 = 3.75 hits

w/ TC you'd be rolling (if you spend it on the first attack) 1.5 + .25 * 2.81 + .75 * 2.25 = 3.89 hits

w/ TC you'd be rolling (if you keep the TL regardless of your results) 1 + 2.81 = 3.81 hits

In that case, your offense is boosted by 3.7%

As you can see, the TC doesn't really help the TIE fighter. It's best use is on a PTL interceptor as an option for TL+F stacking when other actions are not needed. It could also see use on Mauler and Night Beast.

Yeah TC on a tie fighter is a waste, TL isn't better than focus. With focus you have so many choices with how to use it, and you're not limited to pick your target before the combat phase like with TL. There are much better ways to spend the points.

Maybe trade in 4 of the TCs for 2 Opportunists? Have your non-opportunist ties shoot first to try and make the defender spend their tokens, if so, hit em hard with your 2 opportunistic ties. Drop the 5th TC and find another 2 point upgrade?

How crazy is it? VERY.

To really see any benefit from the Targeting Computer you are going to need two rounds to set up on a target so you can TL one round and then Focus when it is time to shoot. If you aren't doing that then you might just as well Focus all the time which will give you just as much chance at rolling hits and can leave you the Focus for Defense if needed.

Compare that squad to one that just flies the six named TIE Fighters with an added boost on Howlrunner. Oh, that may give up a point of PS with Winged Gundark and Night Beast but if that's a "problem" then switch them out for BSP + VI which also happens to give you two more points to play with while having everyone at PS 6 or higher.

I like the all PS6 but it might be better as


Howlrunner - Swarm Tactics - Stealth Device (23)
Backstabber (16)
Dark Curse (16)
3x Black Squadron Pilot - Veteran Instincts (15)

I like the all PS6 but it might be better as

Howlrunner - Swarm Tactics - Stealth Device (23)

Backstabber (16)

Dark Curse (16)

3x Black Squadron Pilot - Veteran Instincts (15)

I've liked that idea as well although with the two points you "save" by downgrading Mauler to a BSP+IV I don't think I'd be shooting for Swarm Tactics. You'd be pushing a PS 6 to shooting as a PS 8 which is of limited use (might throw in an AP if you want to do that) so I'd either use those points as my initiative "bid" or try a different Elite Pilot skill. Determination on Howlrunner could be a great aid as it helps make sure her abilities stay active and may let her stay alive if someone throws some pilot crits her way.

How about this:

Howlrunner - Swarm Tactics - Stealth Device (23)

Black Squadron Pilot - Swarm Tactics (16) x4

Academy Pilot (12)

99 pts

Now everyone is shooting at ps8

If you are only taking 6 ties, why not used the names ones?

1x PS8

1x PS7

2x PS6

2x PS5

They work just as well and you gain their individual bonuses. If you dont like Night Beast and Winged Gundark, you can replace them with Black Squadrons with VI.

Thing with Swarm Tactics daisy chains is that its fiddly. Everyone is already going to be focusing on Howl. Once she drops or you loose your formation (cause sometimes that happens - assault missiles), youve got a bunch of PS4 attacks.

Look my thought was I wanted to try something different and second if my ties are all ps6 there is howl (can't remember if there is a ps7) that goes before it and two others at the same time during a swarm match up. I was think during shooting I would have a chance to take out a ship before it returned fire. It was just an idea was I kicking around Maybe a better direction would be 5 Black Sq with vet and a Royal Guard with Ptl.

What about (when the cards come out):

BSP + Predator x5

BSP + VI or DTF x1

No Howlrunner or formation needed...scary

How about this list I just came up with called, "A Black TIE Event"

Howlrunner (18)

BSP + Draw Their Fire (15) x2

BSP + Opportunist (18) x2

BSP + Veteran Instincts (15)

99 pts

The ships with Draw Their Fire are their to stop crits from hitting the more valuable ships. Howlrunner & the ship with Veteran Instincts work to strip tokens, giving the two ships with opportunist an extra die along with the rerolls from Howlrunner.

How about this list I just came up with called, "A Black TIE Event"

Howlrunner (18)

BSP + Draw Their Fire (15) x2

BSP + Opportunist (18) x2

BSP + Veteran Instincts (15)

99 pts

The ships with Draw Their Fire are their to stop crits from hitting the more valuable ships. Howlrunner & the ship with Veteran Instincts work to strip tokens, giving the two ships with opportunist an extra die along with the rerolls from Howlrunner.

I like you can we be friends.

I wanted to try to make my list work without howl runner I know that sounds stupid or crazy. Maybe it's just a dream.

How about this:

Howlrunner - Swarm Tactics - Stealth Device (23)

Black Squadron Pilot - Swarm Tactics (16) x4

Academy Pilot (12)

99 pts

Now everyone is shooting at ps8

Big problem: Howlrunner dies and now everyone is only shooting at PS 4 effectively wasting 8 points.

I guess if one wants the PS 6 x6 squadron you could go with BSP + VI (x5) and a Royal Guard with a few points for upgrades.